Arena Exhibition Match: Ozgun92 vs HCL

[HCL]

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/ArenaManager/Arenas/08-kyaces_glass_arena.png

I will start on left, you start on right?

Can you link character sheet to your psion please?

Bandit Keith: http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=7425

[HCL]

I'll buy a psionic tattoo of expansion, 50g
Also, a Martial Script of momoent of perfect mind 50g

Initiative [roll0]

Soulmelds are shaped, starting in Martial Spirit stance

Essentia distribution 1 in Mauling gauntlets, 0 in Rageclaws

Maneuvers list, first round granted maneuvers

1 CS
2 CM
3 VS
4 SB
5 LtA

[roll1], maneuver removed from list
[roll2]

EDIT: Crusade's strike and Vanguard strike granted in first turn

[Eloel]

Seon the Psion (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=173001)

Initiative

[roll0]

[Eloel]

Not for HCL
Double-Move to U24


Your turn.

[HCL]

We are playing with clear walls (no LOS block). What do I see? In any case Keith starts in Y12 and moves to V12 with a piece of paper in his right hand, guisarme locked into and held in his left hand gauntelt

ready an action read the martial script as Seon ends his turn

End turn

[Eloel]

Seon is at U24

He seems to be doing nothing.

Readied action to Mind-Thrust in LoE

Your turn.

[HCL]

As you end your turn Keith reads the piece of paper he is holding

2 more maneuvers are granted


Martial script is active

1 CM
2 SB
3 LtA
[roll0]
[roll1]
Charging minotaur and stone bones granted

Keith moves to O13 and readies an action Move if Seon will move into LOE or ends his turn.

End turn

[Eloel]

FYI, you can't see if Seon 'ends his turn', so your last readied action didn't actually occur.

[HCL]

Why not? Its a valid trigger. You have to end your turn (or delay or something, in which case the trigger is just the end of initiative count X) for mine to begin.

People have been readying actions in such a fashion for a while in arena.

[Eloel]

Why not? Its a valid trigger. You have to end your turn (or delay or something, in which case the trigger is just the end of initiative count X) for mine to begin.

People have been readying actions in such a fashion for a while in arena.

You don't know I'm ending my turn till I do. And if you act 'after' my turn is over, your initiative moves to after me, and I get to act again.

Or, to state it with rules


Your initiative result becomes the count on which you took the readied action. If you come to your next action and have not yet performed your readied action, you don’t get to take the readied action

After my turn, is your turn. When my action ends, your action begins, before you do your readied action - thus the readied action doesn't occur.

[HCL]

No, a readied action happens just before the trigger is about to happen. At least thats how we are running it in arena. Here is a thread where tanaric just readies to move every time I end my turn

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126914&highlight=lance

[Eloel]

You don't magically know I'm doing something because you readied an action - you can only react against what you know.

Also, something that happened in another battle is not my problem - it's strictly between you, someone else, and the referees (who you didn't ask help from).


Edit:

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7090573&postcount=92

So, there, he was found invalid.

[HCL]

OK, skip the readied actions. Also I confused myself, you started on the right I was on the left, so rewind

Round 1
Start in B14 with same conditions
Move to C22
keith reads the piece of paper on round 1 after moving, drops it and grips the guisarme in 2 hands

Round 2
Move to J24
Ready an actionMove if Seon moves or manifests a power

Would those change your actions in any way?

[Eloel]

Moving to J24, you provoke my readied action, Mind Thrust
[roll0] damage, DC15 Will negates

I'll act after you roll your save/change your action after getting thrusted.

[HCL]

OK first off, the rules are that we can see each other ready actions (even if they are purely mental).

Secondly the glass blocks line of effect

[Eloel]

I had it posted, so it was not some super secret readied action.

Glass doesn't block line of effect, I'll get back to you with explanation in a minute.

Edit:
Here;
http://www.myth-weavers.com/showpost.php?p=311602&postcount=85
He can Mind Thrust you for the same reason that in the first picture, the guy shooting doesn't suffer Cover penalties.

Granted, you have Cover or even Improved Cover (for +8 AC/Reflex), but no Total Cover - I'm not targeting your AC nor your Reflex.

[HCL]

Again, you did not ready an action (or did not declare that you did). You "seem to be doing nothing" which is not readying an action.

There is no line you can draw to any corner of my square that does not go through glass (there is glass to my south and to the east). The glass blocks line of effect. Look at the map above, it says clearly that the glass blocks line of effect, you cannot manifest powers through the glass.

[Eloel]

Ok, let's have it your way.


Seon 5ft steps south.

Your readied action?

Edit: To U25 to be exact

[HCL]

Readied action to Move to O25

if your next action is to manifest that power ill initiate moment of perfect mind

concentration check [roll0]

[HCL]

well i failed that so go ahead and roll your damage (unless you want to keep that six from before)

Next turn: Move next to you in T25 and use my psionic tattoo of expansion

I am now large and take up T25, T26 S25 and S26

[Eloel]

Edit: See next post, I didn't manage to roll stuff (bad tags)

[Eloel]

Last round damage
[roll0]

This round Seon tumbles to Y21, and manifest Mind Thrust at you
[roll1]
DC15 will to negate

[roll2]DC15 Tumble check, failure means AoO on movement

[Eloel]

I fail at rolling -.-
[roll0]
Damage this round
[roll1]
Tumble
[roll2]

[HCL]

WHAT

You cannot make tumble checks untrained. And if you could, you have a -4 check penalty which would drop your tumble modifier to -1. In which case you fail.

No, there is no where you can manifest or move where you will not provoke an Aoo. You can rewind your turn (I'll let you keep that damage roll). I am assuming you are going to manifest your power then attempt to move, if you move first and then manifest I will take my aoo when you are about to gain cover or leave my threat range

I'll make a trip attempt

[roll0] touch attack

[HCL]

Thats a hit, here is opposed strength (in your case dex) [roll0]

[HCL]

You can't beat that so you are tripped, you have -4 ac. I also gained 2 hp from that touch attack hit and will get 2 more if each of any of these hit

bonus attack: [roll0]

[HCL]

Miss, your power is going to hit me

Will: [roll0]

Next turn: Initiate crussader's strike

[roll1] (that is another trip attempt if you tried to get up at the end of your last turn, otherwise just regular attack vs prone ac, hits either way)

EDIT: Damage wise it looks like you hit me for 14 and i healed 2 so far correct? So im at -1

[Eloel]

Didn't know I couldn't tumble, since you kindly accepted rewind - I'll manifest Mind Thrust (for the 4 damage), but not move. (thus, I'm near you, but no AOO)

Your turn.

Edit: If you want, you can keep that Crusader Strike roll, reroll, or not accept rewind and keep me tripped

Edit2: Please say which, and give a summary of your turn

[HCL]

You still provoke an Aoo for manifesting unless you manifest defensively (DC 15 concentration check or lose the power)

I threaten out to 20 feet because I am weilding both a guisarme and spiked gautnlets

In any case healing for this round is [roll0] up to 4 health

[Eloel]

So, I'm 10ft away from you, prone, and you are at 4 HP, I used 2 PP, and it's my turn.

Am I right?

[HCL]

That was at the end of your turn previous turn, then I initiate. Did you get up at the end of your turn or stay down (basically do you want me to hit you for damage or trip you again)?

[Eloel]

stay down. You were at -1 at the end of my last turn - then you initiated Crusader Strike, and it's my turn again?

[HCL]

It will be once I roll damage

[roll0]

Your turn

[Eloel]

Your damage looks like it's 2d4+6, how did you get 2d6+7?

[HCL]

I believe expansion increases str by 2 the way Enlarge person does. I dont have my xph handy so if it does not decrease the damage by 1.

[Eloel]

Expansion lasts 1 round at L1, so yours is over.

[HCL]

It lasts this round for sure (think true strike). Expires as I end my turn, your turn

[Eloel]

1 round duration is 'till the start of your next round', unlike True Strike, which states it lasts for your next round as well.

[HCL]

I don't think so, it should last until the end of my initiative count on the next round.

[Eloel]

It started during your initiative count, it should last till your initiative count. It would be lasting more than '1 round' if you have it for 2 rounds.

[HCL]

Well, then that was a wasteful idea should have gone with a potion :)

reroll damage [roll0]

Amazingly, the same exact result. Your go

[Eloel]

Well, then that was a wasteful idea should have gone with a potion :)

reroll damage [roll0]

Amazingly, the same exact result. Your go

Still trying to understand why it isn't 2d4+6, care to elaborate?

[HCL]

Still trying to understand why it isn't 2d4+6, care to elaborate?

Because I got confused and thought I was playing my warblade who uses a glaive :smalltongue:

[roll0]

no freaking way. I guess 13 is my lucky #

[Eloel]

Yeah seriously. Elan Resilience to reduce damage by 6. (Yay Elan). Crawl 5ft back (move action), and another Mind Thrust at you. DC15 will save.

[Eloel]

Couldn't roll damage.
[roll0]
...

You win.

[HCL]

I think you can burn more PP than 1 to get more resilience (not sure though)

Will [roll0]

Aoo [roll1] (crawling provokes)

Initiate Charging minotaur, opposed strength check [roll2] if success you take some damage and are prone 10 feet in front of me

heal for 2 if either of these attacks hit

[HCL]

Damage on that is [roll0] and I take 1 damage healing 2 which puts me at 5 hp

EDIT: THat damage roll should be 2d4+6 so add 2 to it (9)

You have a good chance of resisting the bull rush, in which case you are still prone but just 5 feet in front of me and you don't take damage [roll1] (forgot if it was +str or +1.5x str if its 1x str subtract 2)

[Eloel]

I'm done here, I lost. Thanks for the fight.

[HCL]

Aight gg :)