Make a Hero Evil

[Leliel]

Well, as you can guess, this is a thread where we tropers imagine how a protagonist of one of our favorite fictions would act and look if they freaked out and went EVILLL, wether it be misguided, completely monstrous, or something in between.

I'll start with Sora (Kingdom Hearts):

After the horrific death of Kairi at the hands of a powerful Nobody, Sora retreated into his image as the Warrior of the Keyblade, submerging himself in constant battle as a way to relieve the pain. Unfortunately, he has lost himself in the pursuit of the extinction of Heartless, and he has become paranoid, fearing the hold of darkness on other's hearts so much that he has launched an inquisition against it. He dresses in red now-the color of battle and power-and he has brushed back his hair into a shoulder-long cascade, in order to make himself look more intimidating.

[Rutskarn]

Dominic Deegan woke up one morning.

[The_JJ]

The dwarf assasin that made it up the stairs wasn't very superstious.

Sam Vimes promptly kills everything. The Summoning Dark wonders what the hell is going be it certainly isn't doing anything.

[Satyr]

In one long movie and drinking night, a friend and I basically made this with the whole Star Wars universe, or just the Rebels, by claiming that the movies were in-universe propaganda films made by the New Republic, and which are as accurate as these movies are.
The 'historical correct' rebel alliance was a bunch of rivaling guerilla and terrorist groups, who waed war against each other as often as against the imperium. The jedi were a fanatical sect of psionics who led a purge of all psionics who did not follow their philosophy, declaring any divergin opinion to be "the dark side". Alderaan was destroyed because the planet featured massive laboratoriums for the production of bioweapons and other weapons of mass destruction which were used frequently by almost all rebel forces against civil targets. Han Solo was a war criminal and responsible for several attacks with bioweapons, Skywalker was obsessed with the idea to revive his sect again (and started several eugenics programmes with abducted 'voluntaries').
We were drunk when we came up with this stuff, but I still makes a lot more sense than the original movies.

[Nerd-o-rama]

If you assume everything stated in those movies to be completely false, yes, but that seems to be going out of your way.

It is clear from the prequels, though, that the Rebublic and the old Jedi Order were hidebound, corrupt, and fossilized to the point of impotence. This is technically the opposite of what the topic said, but Palpatine did what needed to be done in wiping out the old, useless systems and installing new ones. He just then proceeded to do what nearly every revolutionary does and engage in a pointlessly violent reign of terror and set himself up as God-Emperor of the Galaxy.

[Sneak]

Just watch Breaking Bad.

[SurlySeraph]

Jack Bauer goes about his life as always, except now CTU is pointing him at nicer people. Alternately, he has the nervous breakdown he's been on the verge of for the past two seasons and becomes a gleeful, amoral terrorist roughly equivalent to a less-creative Joker with waaaaaay too much knowledge of torture.

The Star Trek Federation turns out not to be a benevolent collective, but a vicious and hypocritical totalitarian state with no property rights, tremendous conformism, a glass ceiling for non-humans despite ostensible opposition to discrimination, and a fleet of ridiculously heavily armed "research" vessels rather than an official military. Oh wait... :smalltongue:

A multinational conspiracy gangs up to launch an unprovoked invasion of the peaceful land of Mordor, to conceal a covert operation aimed at simultaneously devastating Mordor's infrastructure and assassinating its head of state.

[Greystone]

Buffy finally goes nuts, bonkers, off the deep end and kills most if not all of her friends like she almost has done once or twice before. She becomes the 'Big Bad that goes bump in the night'.

Oh, and she loosens up a little. :smallwink:

[Killer Angel]

In one long movie and drinking night, a friend and I basically made this with the whole Star Wars universe, or just the Rebels, by claiming that the movies were in-universe propaganda films made by the New Republic, and which are as accurate as these movies are.


or, more easily, Luke (blinded by rage) accepted his father's offer and joined the dark side with him, killing the emperor.
The two are the BBEGs of Episode VII, VIII and IX.

[Blas_de_Lezo]

Hmmm... a promising leader that gets the support of a majority with great projects, and then intentionally forgets all the supposed goals that he was going to accomplish? :smallamused:

[Comet]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Simon figures out that he doesn't have to let anyone die. In fact, he can save every single one of his poor comrades that fell in the battle against the Anti-Spirals.
Yet, when the deed is done, he can't just stop there. There are so many ways Spiral Energy can make the world a better place.
Then the other civilizations from across the galaxy come into play. Politics being what they are, there's bound to be some conflict between them. Simon sees them as weak and decides to unite the whole galaxy under one glorious Spiral Ruling in case there's ever another battle against some god-like entities hellbent on evolution's destruction.

The other civilizations refuse to join him. Wars are waged, more people are lost. Simon gets drunk on his powers over space/time and hops into his Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, aiming to crush every fool that thinks civil war is a better solution than his leadership.
"But Simon, what about the Spiral Nemesis?"
"Just who the hell do you think I am? I'll kick reason to the curb! I will defeat my enemies and then I will bring down the Nemesis itself! The universe does not tell the Dai-Gurren Dan to sit down and shut up after all we've done!"

Simon, being a man of his word, proceeds to do much kicking of reason's anatomy and conquers the universe in his God-Machine. To ensure that war never happens again, he rules over his domain with an iron fist. None dare oppose him. Every world lives the rest of it's life in constant fear.

Then Spiral Nemesis happens. Can Simon defeat it? No one knows. The world as they know it will either perish or, if Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann can punch out one of the most fundamental rules of the universe, it will continue it's agonizing existence under a ruler that is insane because of all the wars he has fought.

Whoops, got into a bit of a ramble there. Who didn't see this coming? :smallbiggrin:
Granted, I really can't see Simon doing any of this, but what the hey.

[Jayngfet]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Simon figures out that he doesn't have to let anyone die. In fact, he can save every single one of his poor comrades that fell in the battle against the Anti-Spirals.
Yet, when the deed is done, he can't just stop there. There are so many ways Spiral Energy can make the world a better place.
Then the other civilizations from across the galaxy come into play. Politics being what they are, there's bound to be some conflict between them. Simon sees them as weak and decides to unite the whole galaxy under one glorious Spiral Ruling in case there's ever another battle against some god-like entities hellbent on evolution's destruction.

The other civilizations refuse to join him. Wars are waged, more people are lost. Simon gets drunk on his powers over space/time and hops into his Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, aiming to crush every fool that thinks civil war is a better solution than his leadership.
"But Simon, what about the Spiral Nemesis?"
"Just who the hell do you think I am? I'll kick reason to the curb! I will defeat my enemies and then I will bring down the Nemesis itself! The universe does not tell the Dai-Gurren Dan to sit down and shut up after all we've done!"

Simon, being a man of his word, proceeds to do much kicking of reason's anatomy and conquers the universe in his God-Machine. To ensure that war never happens again, he rules over his domain with an iron fist. None dare oppose him. Every world lives the rest of it's life in constant fear.

Then Spiral Nemesis happens. Can Simon defeat it? No one knows. The world as they know it will either perish or, if Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann can punch out one of the most fundamental rules of the universe, it will continue it's agonizing existence under a ruler that is insane because of all the wars he has fought.

Whoops, got into a bit of a ramble there. Who didn't see this coming? :smallbiggrin:
Granted, I really can't see Simon doing any of this, but what the hey.

Yeah, that IS blatantly out of character for Simon. The entire point of his character is he DIDN'T want to be in charge and WOULDN'T subjugate people for his own means. Note how he willingly gave up his position and showed outrage at forcing humanity to the surface.

[paddyfool]

Once, there was a kingdom so sinful in its arrogance that the powers that be sent a great wave to send it beneath the waves.

Only a few survive from those days. Those that remain continue to press constant and merciless warfare against enemies of their long-dead kingdom, and of more recent sponsors. Their leader, claiming kinship with the ancient kings of that land - but with little save shards of relics to back his claim - has been leading his remaining kinsmen on in this campaign of slaughter and conquest. Lacking men, he's even taken to recruiting the previously peaceful halflings to his cause, and has taken to travel with four of their number, gaining their allegiance through supplies of dubious herbs and strange stories of strange terrors from which only he can protect them.

He hides his face in a hooded cloak, and wanders far and wide under many names to avoid pursuit and detection. In Bree, they call him Strider.

[Randel]

I think it could be pretty easy to look at most modern comic book superheroes in this light, particularly Batman. (this is going to get ranty)

You have a costumed vigilante who constantly lives a lie supposedly to protect his identity and the people around him... but frankly the guy is a billionaire with no family and if he outed himself as Batman then he could easily afford any sort of security measures to protect himself. Its more likely that the protects his identity to protect his business interests (would you invest in a business owned by a masked vigilante who's 'adventures' often result in buildings exploding or him getting shot with Joker venom every week?) or to avoid the legal repercussions of dressing up as a bat and causing massive property damage and utterly ignoring the rights of privacy that citizens have under US law.

Plus, he refuses to get any sort of psychological help for the traumatic experience that turned him into Batman. He is for all intents and purposes certifiably insane but refuses to get help due to his 'gotta protect my identity' thing. Even if there are psychologist super-heroes who he could trust to keep his secret he refuses to get help from them. He also treats everyone around him like garbage and has no qualms with manipulating or insulting them.

One particular instance was in the No Mans Land arc when Huntress dressed up as Batwoman to keep the post-apocalyptic streets of Gotham City as safe as possible when all forms of law enforcement and civilization had broken down. She protected the whole city while Bruce sat on his hands for several months staring into his own naval, when he finally shows up he treats her like garbage and during one case where he was busy walking into a trap layed by his enemies, she stuck behind to protect a section of their city... only to get overwhelmed by two separate gangs invading the block.

She basically had to protect several block of post-apocalyptic Gotham city, alone, with no police backup or even competent civilians, using non-lethal attacks because batjerk insisted it, against two armies of armed thugs in a planned strike.

When she couldn't magically wish away the attack with her million-dollar 'Bat make-armies-go-away spray' and several civilians under her protection get killed, Batman comes to her house (an abandoned building she had a safe room in) and berates her for not being good enough! Remember that while she was fighting an unwinnable fight against two armies of desperate thugs with non-lethal arrows he was busy walking into an obvious trap layed by Two-face (he even tells her before hand that its probably a trap).

Getting told out by the guy who left the whole city to burn while he sat around doing nothing for months (while Huntress worked to keep it safe) then walks into a trap (and berates her for not defending several city blocks with nerf-arrows) Huntress tells batman to go F*** himself while she joins up with one of the rogue police gangs in the city... which is exactly what Batman wanted all along!

Yeah, while the lives of Gothams populace are at stake he decides to treat one of the few people who actually wanted to keep the place relatively safe like trash just so he could manipulate her into switching sides... not like he could just tell what the plan is. Oh, and blaming her for his incompetence... yeah.

Oh, and Superman shows up twice offering to help out and Batman just tells him that he's out of his league. Yeah, tell the guy who can fly, has super hearing, super strength, and a massive amount of other incredibly useful powers that he can't do anything in a post-apocalyptic Gotham City... even though during his second visit he makes it rain to get some fresh water into the place.

Gee Bats, I know that you hate Supermans guts for some insane reason and make sure to insult him to his face every chance you get, but would it kill you to try and... I don't know think about the people you're supposedly protecting? Superman could evacuate the lot of them in maybe an hour, or bring in fresh food and supplies, or use his super-hearing to let you know when people are screaming in pain on account of being murdered by cannibal gangs, or he could just walk right up into Two-Faces headquarters, pick the non-superpowered non-kryptonite-having crimelord and toss him into jail. Superman could have fixed the whole problem in like 48 hours top if he actually had a plan... and Batmans whole thing is that he supposedly has a plan for everything!

To bad Bats is such a sociopath who treats his friends like trash, he could really have saved a ton of lives by just... you know... helping get the job done. Or at least got some sort of therapy so that he could have friends.

[bibliophile]

Eragon...

Nevermind.

[TheSummoner]

Eragon realizes that his entire life was a bad fantasy parody of Star Wars, snaps, and goes on a killing spree?

[HamHam]

Eragon realizes that his entire life was a bad fantasy parody of Star Wars, snaps, and goes on a killing spree?

No, see, the joke is that he is already evil.

[Leliel]

No, here's the real joke:

Paloni takes a lesson in literature, and decides on a perspective flip.

[Solaris]

Captain America decides he's had enough with people besmirching the name of his country. His one-man war sees the eventual breakdown of global society... starting with Washington.
Oh, wait, you said Evil? Never mind, then.

[bosssmiley]

Paloni takes a lesson in literature, and decides on a perspective flip weeps in horrified shame.


Sam Vimes decides his angry side has a point after all. :smalleek:
Sam shanks Frodo and keeps The One Ring while in Cirith Ongul.
Red Kane...oh, wait. :smallconfused:

[hamishspence]

Yoda: Dark Rendevous suggests that if Yoda did turn, he'd be a far worse Dark Lord than Sidious- hmm, Darth Yoda, that's an interesting image...

[Lord of Rapture]

Well in the cancelled Battlefront 3, there were screenshots and rumors of a Sith Obi-Wan...

Anyway, the entire Mahou Sensei Negima verse starts hearing whispers of Chaos, particularly Tzeentch, because they're actually in the WH40K verse during the Dark Age of Technology. Grimdarkness occurs.

[Athaniar]

Well in the cancelled Battlefront 3, there were screenshots and rumors of a Sith Obi-Wan...
Fun fact: Joruus C'Baoth from the Thrawn series was going to be an insane clone of Obi-Wan, but Lucas apparently didn't like the idea. Also, the Noghri were going to be the Sith.

As for the topic, let's see what I can come up with...

Tirion Fordring (Warcraft, with Massive Spoilers):

The Battle of Light's Hope chapel. Using his Light-given power, the mighty paladin Tirion Fordring has managed to temporarily stop the advancing Scourge army. But not all goes according to plan. The Lich King arrives before Fordring can call upon the spirit of Alexandros Mograine, and forces the Knights of the Acherus to continue fighting. Having the paladin exactly where he wants him to be, the Lich King incapacitates Fordring and the Argent Dawn leadership. With the death knights on his side, the undead sovereign orders his army to raze the Chapel to the ground.

One of the foremost bastions of the Light has been destroyed, and its defenders either executed (Tyrosus, Zverenhoff, Dawnbringer) or corrupted (Barthalomew, Korfax). The Plaguelands have been cleansed of the living (and demonic). And now a new champion of the Lich King emerges: Tirion Fordring, who has finally yielded to Arthas's vile torture. Fordring defeats and slays Darion Mograine in a duel, and then forms the Knights of the Ebon Blade, the elite harbingers of the Scourge, based in Acherus.

Azeroth trembles as the blight of undeath spreads. As Naxxramas moves north from its former position above Stratholme, Dar'Khan Drathir pushes forward and Silvermoon is annihilated once again, this time for real. In the Undercity, Grand Apothecary Putress and the dreadlord Varimathras perform a coup d'etat, killing Sylvanas Windrunner and her loyalists and giving the Burning Legion a foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms after the failed Sunwell invasion. The new Highlord himself moves Acherus and the Ebon Blade south, and before long lays siege to Ironforge. A large number of dwarves, including King Magni, die in defense of the dwarven capital, but most dwarves manage to escape, mostly through the Deeprun Tram, which is then flooded and barricaded on the Stormwind side. Not long after the Scourge offensive begins in the East, a second offensive also strikes Kalimdor, commanded by Amnennar the Coldbringer and the necromancer Zalazane.

Can anything stop the unrelenting Scourge and its wicked Highlord? Can Tirion be reconverted, or will he watch triumphant as Azeroth is consumed by darkness?


http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/f/f8/Tirion_the_Fallen.png

[jamroar]

Yoda: Dark Rendevous suggests that if Yoda did turn, he'd be a far worse Dark Lord than Sidious- hmm, Darth Yoda, that's an interesting image...

Isn't he a little short to be a Sith Lord?

[Gamerlord]

Isn't he a little short to be a Sith Lord?

It makes it all the more easier to light saber the weak points. :smallwink:

[Shas aia Toriia]

It makes it all the more easier to light saber the weak points.

Even the Sith aren't that evil, are they? :smalleek:

[Gamerlord]

Even the Sith aren't that evil, are they? :smalleek:

Yes, they ARE that evil. :smallamused:

[Shas aia Toriia]

I feel so bad for the especially tall jedi now. :smalleek:

[denthor]

I do not know about an evil hero but I have a great way to make the heroes get an evil character into the game.

the set up in the middle of a town there is a statue. A plaque on the statue reads as follows:




So we may never forget what one man could do.




The rumor mill has it that on that spot a great hero was turned to stone.

The boarder town has never had the money to get stone to flesh cast on the statue.

The statue is of course is the evil fighter(what ever class) that had been defeated all of those years ago.


Somewhere in the adventure the characters get a scroll or oil of stone to flesh.

This allows them to revive the "hero" (s)he goes with them in order to defeat and take control of evil army that is advancing on the town. So it will fight with the party until a couple of generals are taken out by him. Then he switches sides. By pretending to go to deep inside enemy lines. Only to become the head of the enemy to reclaim his rightful place in history.

[Leliel]

OK.

How about Nanoha meets Warhammer 40K?

Please forgive any OOC behavior. I haven't watched the series.

"Admiral! We've been breached!" Yunno Scrya held tightly onto his glasses as another of General Acheron's mass drivers hit the hull of the flagship. It was an awfully odd position for the librarian to be in, but after the mysterious rebel got the access codes to the automated defense grids thanks to Lady Cocystus, he had created a semi-permanent blockade around his section of space, preventing reinforcements from coming-for example, the guy who was supposed to be Mission Control, instead of Yunno.

"What!?" the Admiral's voice came over the intercom. "But we specifically tempered the hull to deflect Cocystus' staff blast!"

"I know," Yunno panted, shifting into ferret form to better get his already sweat-click palms around the computer's controls. "She must have figured out a way to counter the shield without damaging the generators!"

"Dammit. Yunno, I want you to bzzzzt---" The intercom shuddered a bit, then smoke began to seep through. Yunno paled a bit. Cocystus had long since developed a move that, at mid range, could short out communication systems. Which meant that...

Finding the nearest alcove to hide in, Yunno tried to calm his nerves as the sound of footsteps and gliding discs neared the door. He managed to calm them enough to the point where he was able to stifle his scream as the door to his quarters was blown apart by a multicolored blast of hellfire.

As the smoked cleared, Yunno could easily see it's maker-a raven-headed man standing on the peusdo-metallic discs Acheron's sorcery division used to get around without fatigue. After an initial once-through for traps, the magus nodded to the door, the signal to his leader that she could come in safely.

Lightly and gracefully, Lady Cocystus, formerly Nanoha Takamachi before she adopted the tradition of Acheron's lieutenants abandoning their old names in favor of the names of the rivers that supposedly ran through the world of the dead, walked into Yunno's station. She was still recognizably the same person who was once friends with the terrified scholar, but exposure to Chaos magic had mutated her into a more birdlike form, as typical given the God of Hope and Ambition her company of rebels took after. Her hair, now worn long, had orange feathers dotted through it, giving her hair the appearance of cascading flame. Her face was similarly transformed, her nose having become the top half of a phoenix's beak and her right eye the bright red of the magical bird of prey-fitting, given whose death due to the Administration's betrayal turned her towards Acheron's rebellion. Her left hand had become a five-clawed bird's talon, and her right hand, which gripped the semi-organic staff, was tattooed with the Chaos Star Acheron's troops used to identify themselves. Her sorcerer's robes fit easily and snugly around her form, the angelic wings she used instead of a disc to get around the battlefield forming a "cape", giving her a regal appearance.

"Well, my Lady," the sorcerer-troop spoke up. "Do you see anything of value to the Resistance? Your eye is better than either of mine, especially with this beak of mine."

"No...well, there's that" Cocystus said in her quiet, unassuming voice-the sound of someone half-broken by the tragedy in her life. "But you could guess that computer is a container for the codes to the fleet communications, so I didn't see anything you didn't."

The magus gave a wry chuckle that sounded more like a caw. "Generous with your compliments as always, my Lady." He then floated over to the control station to cut the wires holding it down, but stumbled on his disc as he bent down...causing it to hit Yunno's hiding place. Oh sweet merciful kami, please don't let her see me jump...but it was too late. Cocystus' phoenixes' eye caught the brief motion and reflexively telescoped itself on the alcove. The pesudo-ferret, petrified, began to see visions of corruption in the rebellion's Chaos-infused prisons...but Cocystus merely stared as the magus righted himself. "So, so sorry my lady! Just got this thing, still learning how to ride it. Heh..."

"Hm? Oh, well if you need some lessons, I'll be happy to teach you." Cocystus turned from the alcove to the embarrassed mage. "Acheron ordered that I learn how to use a disc if my wings get broken." The disc-challenged soldier's raven-face brightened considerably. "Thank yo-er, it will be an honor, ma'a-er, my Lady." The sorcerer suppressed a grin, and carefully set the terminal's hard drive on the disc, floating out ahead of his commander. Cocystus then turned back to Yunno's alcove, and paused for a second. Then, with a sad expression on her face, she walked out of the confused librarian's station.

Once the battle was over and the flagship gutted, Cocystus retired to her quarters. Sitting down on her bed, she turned her head to the picture of the two women on her mantle. If someone had gone in at that moment, and saw the right half of her face they would wonder why she was squinting. Then, as she turned her head to give that person a lecture on privacy, that person would realize that he was mistaken-understandable, given her red eye not having tear ducts. But they didn't, allowing her to stare at the photo of her original self, Fate, and Vivio. After a long while, the woman once known as Nanoha ripped herself away. I know this isn't what either of you two would have wanted, she thought, bottling up her tears. But I made a promise to change the Bureau for the better...and that's what Acheron wants. I don't like some of what he does either, but I can tell he's a good man underneath that armor he puts up.

Oh, who am I kidding? I'm a bad guy. A wicked witch. I'm worse than your mother, Fate.

But maybe that's the point. You were the last truly good people who could influence the Bureau peacefully. Now, the innocent are just written off as naive, unable to understand the realities of governing. So now we have to destroy it and replace it.

But I will always remember your sacrifice.

Yeah....Chaos comes off as a bit nice here. But this is Nanoha. Even the sheer Grimdark is equalized by sheer force of idealism into merely Grey vs. Gray, with significant chances of both sides coming to realize the other has a point and teaming up against the truly evil (*cough*Necrons*cough*).

[Lifeson]

My first thought reading this was Red Son, where Superman was the complete opposite of the "american defender" he is now, instead fighting for communist Russia.

Very evil towards democratic United States. :smallwink:

[Lord of Rapture]

Good post, Leliel, except for one thing. One person isn't enough to change the nature of Chaos. Maybe she influences Achaeron's party, but that won't be enough to change an entire alternate dimension.

[Leliel]

I meant the universe of Nanoha.

Chaos in there would be a sentient conglomeration of emotions, instead of the horrifically, irredeemably vile sentient conglomeration of emotions it is in Warhammer.

Good point, though.

EDIT: And don't worry-if this blossoms into a full fanfic, there'll be some truly evil daemon princes on Chaos' side to.

[Lord of Rapture]

Wait, then Chaos leaks into the Nanoha-verse?

Is is sealed off from Warhamemr?

If it is, what are you doing getting your grimdark in my Nanoha-verse?

[Leliel]

I meant to say that while the appearance of Chaos in Nanoha-land for as yet unspecified reasons (it always existed, or it leaks, or...), it will inject Grimdark into it, but the verse is so idealistic to begin with that it's only shifted to the middle of the sliding scale of idealism vs. cynicism.

In other words, it's a joke.

Well, that, and the Nanoha-verse becoming the 40K verse in entirety would be canon defilement.

And remember, I said if. I'm not actually planning on it, it's just an idea.