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bansidhe
2010-01-03, 06:57 PM
Im hoping too be playing in a club enviroment soon,low lvl start and 3.5 rules [hopefully,or earlier].

Now as a Fey buff im hoping too be playing as a Pixie/small winged fey but I need some help on the direction.
I like playing Rogue types,so I,ll probably start off as that,probably dualweilding daggers or kukris..but Id like too add some magic too up the Fey flavour a bit.
Nothing too fancy, as close too core or most often used books as possible,not reeking of cheese but no party leech either,neutral too l/c neutral as possible and still ok at hand too hand or maybe crossbow as possible..hmm sounds a bit vauge! :) hope some other fey fans will get my meaning!

Any help or pointing too things would be helpful!

Also ,seeing as Im here anyone dm,ing in the harrow/hillingdon/pinner area,please drop me a line,cos the only club I can finds the other side of London! :)

Soranar
2010-01-03, 07:02 PM
considering you can fly I'd go for ranged attacks, namely a crossbow with crossbow sniper (half your DEX bonus to damage, doubles the range to do ranged sneak attacks)

all of this in 1 feat

Thrice Dead Cat
2010-01-03, 07:03 PM
Obligatory Swordsage reference here.

If you don't want/have access to Tome of Battle, I recommend snatching yourself a Dungeonscape book and play a Factotum. Like a rogue, heavily Int-based with quasi/pseudo magical abilities as you progress.

bansidhe
2010-01-03, 07:05 PM
Oooh they both sound good!,im looking forward too this! thanks :D

Optimystik
2010-01-03, 07:13 PM
Pixies make good Warlocks. You get powerful and complimentary abilities, and the +4 LA, while high, still lets you get Dark Invocations.

Eldrys
2010-01-03, 07:14 PM
you could try playing a spelltheif (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a).

Urbek
2010-01-03, 07:31 PM
Obligatory Swordsage reference here.

If you don't want/have access to Tome of Battle, I recommend snatching yourself a Dungeonscape book and play a Factotum. Like a rogue, heavily Int-based with quasi/pseudo magical abilities as you progress.

I second this idea. A buddy mine is playing this class and it rocks.

Glimbur
2010-01-03, 07:39 PM
A different approach to a fey flavor is a neutral or good human warlock. Just declare that you made a pact with fey, not infernal, powers; and choose fey themed invocations.

Human isn't strictly necessary, but everyone loves an extra feat.

Thurbane
2010-01-03, 08:05 PM
How about a Binder? If you take the Improved Binding feat, even with +4 LA you'll only be 2 levels behind on which vestiges you can bind. You also get most of the social skills if you want to be a "face man".

sonofzeal
2010-01-04, 12:07 AM
A different approach to a fey flavor is a neutral or good human warlock. Just declare that you made a pact with fey, not infernal, powers; and choose fey themed invocations.

Human isn't strictly necessary, but everyone loves an extra feat.
Agreed, I've always seen Warlock as the "obvious" Pixie class. Rogue also works since you get free Sneak Attack against most things, and don't lose out from low Str. A Rogue/Swordsage Pixie could be devastating.

Zaydos
2010-01-04, 12:22 AM
I'd third (or fourth?) warlock and rogue. Warlock is fairly fey themed with the right choices and gives you a reliable ranged attack. Rogue has Sneak Attack. I will say that with a +6 Int they might make a really neat Factotum, but had never considered that option before (had considered Sorcerer with +6 Cha, far from optimal [losing out on 2 spell levels never is] but quite possibly fun).

PhoenixRivers
2010-01-04, 12:48 AM
If you're actually looking to be a Fey, one of the more interesting Fey out there is the Jermlaine.

It's a MM2 Tiny Fey with LA 0.

It gets stiff str penalties, and some int/Cha penalties....

In exchange, it gets phenomenal Dexterity and Wisdom boosts. As such, they make Swordsage, rogue, warlock, Druid, and Cleric (some types) rather effective.

LibraryOgre
2010-01-04, 10:02 AM
I'd go with Bard... but then, I almost always suggest bard. :smallwink: Seriously, though, it works well with a pixie, since it's naturally small and flying, it can keep out of reach of most bad guys, remain invisible, and buff the party/shoot at things. It's not the damage dealer you get with a rogue, but if you're willing to live with a 4 LA, that's probably not much of an issue.

If you want to avoid LA, look at a halfling or gnomish warlock. That gives you approximately the right size, and an increasing amount of Fey power as you level. You'll be a lot lower on skills, however, and have fewer PrC options.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 10:07 AM
Theres always the Half-Fey template. Only +2 LA IIRC. Wings and big Cha bonus. Apply it to a halfling or other small sized creature to keep it more pixie like if you want.

Wabbajack
2010-01-04, 10:20 AM
Btw, >here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fey/20030815a)< are some fey-only feats on the wizards' site.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2010-01-04, 11:27 AM
You can find Half-Fey here (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a), I'd put it on a Gnome and take the feat Magic in the Blood from PGtF. That lets you use any 1/day racial spell-like abilities 3/day instead, which will be really good with the ones you get from half-fey. Maybe go something like Rogue 4/ Warlock 1/ Assassin 5/ Arcane Trickster 10, applying AT spellcasting to Warlock. You could also use the Charm Person spell-like ability to take a one level dip into Mindbender for Telepathy, which qualifies you for Mindsight from LoM.

There's also the Gloura (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031003e), which gets a lot of racial HD but has Bard spellcasting to go with it. That gets its Cha bonus to AC and saves and has a much lower LA than Pixie, though no constant invisibility. I'd probably go something like Bard 1/ Rogue 1/ Spellthief 1/ Sublime Chord/ Arcane Trickster with that.

sonofzeal
2010-01-04, 11:40 AM
I'd go with Bard... but then, I almost always suggest bard. :smallwink: Seriously, though, it works well with a pixie, since it's naturally small and flying, it can keep out of reach of most bad guys, remain invisible, and buff the party/shoot at things. It's not the damage dealer you get with a rogue, but if you're willing to live with a 4 LA, that's probably not much of an issue.

If you want to avoid LA, look at a halfling or gnomish warlock. That gives you approximately the right size, and an increasing amount of Fey power as you level. You'll be a lot lower on skills, however, and have fewer PrC options.
Problem with Bard is that you basically constantly give away your position as a primary class feature. You're paying heavy LA for that invisibility, it's best to make use of it.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 11:43 AM
Problem with Bard is that you basically constantly give away your position as a primary class feature. You're paying heavy LA for that invisibility, it's best to make use of it.

Subsonic Music feat (not sure on exact name) makes the bardic music silent for non-allies IIRC.

Pharaoh's Fist
2010-01-04, 11:43 AM
Subsonics, Sound and Silence.

LibraryOgre
2010-01-04, 12:33 PM
Problem with Bard is that you basically constantly give away your position as a primary class feature. You're paying heavy LA for that invisibility, it's best to make use of it.

While others have mentioned Subsonics, I'll also point out the difficulty many enemies have making listen checks to pinpoint you. Hearing someone talking is a 0... but in battle, it goes up to 10, and add another 6 because you're one move action away (60'), and another 5 because the listener is distracted (by that selfsame battle). That's a 21 to HEAR the bard, and a 31 to make out what he's saying. There's nothing on pinpointing which square a sound is coming from; if your pixie stays high, invisible, and out of the way, I'd say he'd be pretty hard to target with anything but an AoE spell.

bansidhe
2010-01-04, 01:41 PM
Thanks for all the help!

But im aiming for a real fey..not feytouched or similer..for mainly RP reasons.

Also im leaning,from the quick glimpses I get between work and bed,for a rogue or factotum/warlock or swordsage...though I must admit the spellthief looked fun too rp!

Basically im aiming for a real,small fey, but trying too keep the mystique of the european fey..eg Cross me and pay mortal!..im more than willing too pay the rp price though

hamishspence
2010-01-04, 02:09 PM
Petal from MM3 is Tiny and winged, I think.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:14 PM
Petal from MM3 is Tiny and winged, I think.

Listed as Cohort only though.

hamishspence
2010-01-04, 02:21 PM
Might depend on how generous the DM is- whats the Cohort LA adjustment, and the Hit Dice for it?

There are few playable Tiny creatures- but isn't the Jermalaine one of them? I'd say if the player wants a Tiny winged fey rather than a Small one, the Petal would not be horribly unbalanced- unless I'm missing something.

I think Savage Species suggests that with a bit of extra DM work, a normally cohort-only monster, would not be impossible for a player to play.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:23 PM
Its got only one RHD so thats good but a +2LA.

hamishspence
2010-01-04, 02:27 PM
I think the default rule for humanoid monsters is that they are Warriors unless proven otherwise.

Which means they can swap that 1st hit dice for a character level, when used as PCs.

And have a 10-10-10-11-11-11 statline for the purpose of working out stat adjustments (assume odd numbers were originally 11s, even numbers were originally 10s).

Not sure if humanoid fey can benefit from this though.

What would this give as the Petal's "racial stat adjustments"? I don't have the book at hand right now, but I suspect the Str would be very low.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:31 PM
+10 dex, +4CON and Int, +8 Cha -8STR

hamishspence
2010-01-04, 02:34 PM
would make a very formidable rogue- if kitted out with weapons that aren't Str-based.

Maybe a swordsage? I think there is a swordsage ability (feat?) that allows them to use Dex instead of Str for melee attacks- I remember building a Dex-based swordsage that used it.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:36 PM
Yeah some shadow hand thingamabober lets them use dex for damage then weapon finesse makes dex for attacks.

Heliomance
2010-01-04, 02:37 PM
Petal
Tiny Fey
Speed 15ft, fly 60ft (good)
DR 5/cold iron, low light vision
STR -8 DEX +10 CON +4 INT +4 WIS +0 CHA +8
Weapon Finesse bonus feat
Lullaby (su) at will
LA +2 (cohort)

hamishspence
2010-01-04, 02:37 PM
That was it.

might be rather fun to play such a fey- Shadow Hand specialist swordsage, maybe multiclassing with rogue, could be very stealthy.

Would depend on if DM allows the occasional normally cohort-only monster as a PC.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:40 PM
plus the example petal in the book has +6 to craft (flowermaking)...

Heliomance
2010-01-04, 02:44 PM
No, no racial skills. The skills listed are all due to distribution of skill points and the bonuses from attributes. It has 4 ranks in Craft (flower arranging), 4 in Escape Artist, presumably 4 in Hide (means the size bonus to hide is +9, is this right?), 4 in Knowledge (Nature), 4 in Listen, 4 in Move Silently, 4 in Spot and 4 in Tumble. 8 skills, 6 from the single Fey hit die and 2 from the Int bonus.

Xenogears
2010-01-04, 02:47 PM
No, no racial skills. The skills listed are all due to distribution of skill points and the bonuses from attributes. It has 4 ranks in Craft (flower arranging), 4 in Escape Artist, presumably 4 in Hide (means the size bonus to hide is +9, is this right?), 4 in Knowledge (Nature), 4 in Listen, 4 in Move Silently, 4 in Spot and 4 in Tumble. 8 skills, 6 from the single Fey hit die and 2 from the Int bonus.

Oh I know. I just thought it was awesome they gave them that as a skill.

bansidhe
2010-01-05, 02:17 PM
Thanks for all the brilliant advice,its really helped!

And that Petal does sound fun too play! im sure I could bring the flower arranging into the game somehow! eg hiding in a vase of flowers! :D

Thurbane
2010-01-05, 03:49 PM
There's a couple of templates in Dragon Magazine Compendium that may be of interest: Seelie Fey is a fey only template, LA +0 that gives you a bunch of special abilities and SLAs (I suspect the LA was accidentally omitted, as this template grants a LOT of abilities with very few drawbacks).
Unseelie Fey is a template that can applied to any living creature and turns it into a fey, It's also LA +0, but it doesn't give as many goodies as Seelie Fey does.

bansidhe
2010-01-05, 04:24 PM
Oooh! any link too it? too see or buy?

Thurbane
2010-01-05, 04:32 PM
http://paizo.com/dragon/products/books/v5748btpy7dxa

http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Compendium-Dungeons-Dragons-Vol/dp/0977007146

...I bought mine from Amazon last year.

bansidhe
2010-01-05, 04:52 PM
I think I,ll be investing in that! thanks :D

hamishspence
2010-01-05, 04:54 PM
the sample seelie fey (a dryad) has: LA -.

Maybe because fey generally aren't player options?

Still, a seelie pixie, or some other playable fey, could be quite formidable.

Thurbane
2010-01-05, 05:07 PM
Actually, has anyone mentioned Kiloren for RotW?

Amphetryon
2010-01-05, 07:37 PM
Wild Soul, a PrC from CMage, gets you Unseelie or Seelie Fey benefits.

2xMachina
2010-01-06, 02:08 AM
There's a couple of templates in Dragon Magazine Compendium that may be of interest: Seelie Fey is a fey only template, LA +0 that gives you a bunch of special abilities and SLAs (I suspect the LA was accidentally omitted, as this template grants a LOT of abilities with very few drawbacks).
Unseelie Fey is a template that can applied to any living creature and turns it into a fey, It's also LA +0, but it doesn't give as many goodies as Seelie Fey does.

What's stopping you from being Seelie Unseelie Fey?

Unseelie fey turns you into fey, qualifying for Seelie Fey.

Kosjsjach
2010-01-06, 02:37 AM
What's stopping you from being Seelie Unseelie Fey?

Unseelie fey turns you into fey, qualifying for Seelie Fey.

Doesn't work:

"Seelie court fey" is a template that can be added to any fey creature (referred to hereafter as the "base creature") if it has exclusively fey ancestry. Creatures who have become fey through any means other than having been born fey from purely fey parents are not welcome in the seelie court.

I personally like the Killoren idea (no huge LA to swallow), but you're probably better suited (and more attached) to Pixie.

Coidzor
2010-01-06, 03:07 AM
Are Kilorens that fey race which is fairly similar to Jaegermonsters from Girl Genius (at least in terms of general appearance, spiky teeth, weird color, medium sized)?

Heliomance
2010-01-06, 03:39 AM
Probably. They're from RotW, and have this whole "bond with nature spirits" schtick going on.