quiet1mi
2010-01-06, 11:41 AM
I was recently told my Grey Elf Beguiler cannot be allowed to contribute to fights out of fear that I would unbalance the encounter...
At level 11 my beguiler has an Intelligence of 24, both Spell Focus (Enchantment) and Greater Spell Focus (Enchantment), Spell Penetration, Darkstalker, and my hide/move silently is currently only at +22 each...
My level 5 enchantment spells have a save DC: of 25...
After looking through the Srd for creatures with CR 10-11 and the highest will save among them is +12, other monsters have will saves between +10-11...
If my Beguiler fought them a single Hold monster, Feeblemind, or Charm Monster, I would succeed 60-70% of the time... 95% of the time if I start things off with a mind fog.
If the DM threw multiple creatures with a will save of +10-11 to compensate for my single creature lock down, I would just counter the problem with Friend to Foe/Incite Riot, Rainbow Pattern or even Mass Whelm. This results in a single character "Winning" the fight...
My Dm saw this and countered with high hit dice, Animals only to be hit with a ray of stupidity...
Next was a swarm of Koa-Toa with class levels, bringing the buggers will save to +12 (They are slaves to drow so have been build a resistance to enchantment spells with Will save boosting feats) in a lagoon... Because my beguiler only has a strength of 6 I had to hold on to the party's fighter's back ... After a few rounds of the party getting swarmed by Koa-Toa... I let loose several Mass Whelm and knocked them unconscious good and proper... (Turns out DC 24 Will save or take 10D6 nonlethal damage to ten targets is kinda good)
To change the situation the GM threw a Beholder with class levels... only to be hit with Solid Fog and a Darkness on a sovereign glued rock to the beholders forehead from the Enlightened Fist of the group... After totally shutting down the encounter, I enabled the party to escape a fight that would have had a considerable drain on our resources.
After seeing this, the next major encounter was in a relatively relatively small room, against a Vampire Cleric with True Sight.... Now I could not do anything except haste the party, surround him with legion of sentinels (The vampire had a ring of blink) and sit on my bum hoping the fight went in our favor...
I understand that my beguiler is powerful, I understand that his class is summed up to battlefield control and Save or lose spells... but is there an in between of me dominating an encounter and participating in it?
At level 11 my beguiler has an Intelligence of 24, both Spell Focus (Enchantment) and Greater Spell Focus (Enchantment), Spell Penetration, Darkstalker, and my hide/move silently is currently only at +22 each...
My level 5 enchantment spells have a save DC: of 25...
After looking through the Srd for creatures with CR 10-11 and the highest will save among them is +12, other monsters have will saves between +10-11...
If my Beguiler fought them a single Hold monster, Feeblemind, or Charm Monster, I would succeed 60-70% of the time... 95% of the time if I start things off with a mind fog.
If the DM threw multiple creatures with a will save of +10-11 to compensate for my single creature lock down, I would just counter the problem with Friend to Foe/Incite Riot, Rainbow Pattern or even Mass Whelm. This results in a single character "Winning" the fight...
My Dm saw this and countered with high hit dice, Animals only to be hit with a ray of stupidity...
Next was a swarm of Koa-Toa with class levels, bringing the buggers will save to +12 (They are slaves to drow so have been build a resistance to enchantment spells with Will save boosting feats) in a lagoon... Because my beguiler only has a strength of 6 I had to hold on to the party's fighter's back ... After a few rounds of the party getting swarmed by Koa-Toa... I let loose several Mass Whelm and knocked them unconscious good and proper... (Turns out DC 24 Will save or take 10D6 nonlethal damage to ten targets is kinda good)
To change the situation the GM threw a Beholder with class levels... only to be hit with Solid Fog and a Darkness on a sovereign glued rock to the beholders forehead from the Enlightened Fist of the group... After totally shutting down the encounter, I enabled the party to escape a fight that would have had a considerable drain on our resources.
After seeing this, the next major encounter was in a relatively relatively small room, against a Vampire Cleric with True Sight.... Now I could not do anything except haste the party, surround him with legion of sentinels (The vampire had a ring of blink) and sit on my bum hoping the fight went in our favor...
I understand that my beguiler is powerful, I understand that his class is summed up to battlefield control and Save or lose spells... but is there an in between of me dominating an encounter and participating in it?