Green Dweomer?

[Half-blood]

I noticed the Dweomer (spell color ) was green. Who has cast "green" spells so to speak?

[martinkou]

Whoever behind the Oracle's spells - the Oracle doesn't cast spells by himself.

I guess it's Tiamat, or some of Tiamat's clerics.

But then, there's the problem that Tiamat can see into the future. There should still be some limit to Tiamat's future seeing ability though - otherwise she would have stopped the IFCC from killing 1/4 of the realm's black dragons.

[Thanatosia]

I think its beyond leaping to an irrational conclusion to say that because the mouth and the scrying censor have the same magic color that they were casted by the same person. Not only does it not fit as well with what we know as several other hypothesis do (such as a completely unknown faction as has been hinted at in the commentary in DstP), but as Eugene Greenhilt clearly illustrates his azurite magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0292.html) casters may be specific to color, but color is not specific to caster (ie, there can be many casters who share the same magic color - as Eugene's magic matches the color of the Azurite casters).

[Demented]

Actually, Eugene's color is a slightly different shade from the azurite casters'.
But to make such an argument is inane.*

...

Though, since it's so tempting, someone should compare the exact color of the dwoemer's magic with that of the magic mouth. Though, the backgrounds will probably be different colors, so comparison would be nearly impossible.

Edit:
*To make such an argument as the one I would be making about Eugene's color being different thus proving that you are wrong and that every caster in ootsworld has a different color of magic, that would be inane. After all, there are only 16.8 million possible colors in 24-bit RGB color depth.

[Eloel]

*To make such an argument as the one I would be making about Eugene's color being different thus proving that you are wrong and that every caster in ootsworld has a different color of magic, that would be inane. After all, there are only 16.8 million possible colors in 24-bit RGB color depth.

16.8million squared actually - the borders also signify stuff.

[Gilthans]

I think its safe to assume that there are less than 16.8 million squared spell casters in OOTSverse. Actually It'd be pretty safe to assume less than 16.8 million as well. And even if there are more - well... Its been a while since probability 101, but I'm pretty sure the odds of meeting two with the same color aren't very bright.

Unless, of course, Rich doesn't use all colors.

[hamishspence]

Maybe Tiamat can't see into the future in the same fashion as the Oracle.

Deities (and only Greater deities can do this) can only see into the future with respect to their portfolios.

Oracles, by contrast, tend to "break the rules" so to speak.

[rewinn]

Whoever behind the Oracle's spells - the Oracle doesn't cast spells by himself.

I guess it's Tiamat, or some of Tiamat's clerics.

But then, there's the problem that Tiamat can see into the future. There should still be some limit to Tiamat's future seeing ability though - otherwise she would have stopped the IFCC from killing 1/4 of the realm's black dragons.
You may be on the right track.

Tiamat of course could simply squash OOTS. But the gods of stickverse seem to limit their intervention in mortal affairs, preferring to work through their clerics.

Perhaps Tiamat told her clerics "Kill Them!" and left them to work out the details. Or perhaps the survivor of the Familicide, e.g. a nice green dragon who'd hope to marry into a black dragon family, has created an Order Of Killing OOTS.

[Asta Kask]

To make such an argument as the one I would be making about Eugene's color being different thus proving that you are wrong and that every caster in ootsworld has a different color of magic, that would be inane. After all, there are only 16.8 million possible colors in 24-bit RGB color depth.

How many of these colors are clearly discernible to the human eye?

[Optimystik]

Just wanted to point out that Eugene has (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html) used (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0525.html) green (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0601.html) magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0664.html) before. Not that I think it's him, I'm just pointing out that he can change the color of his dweomer. And if he can, maybe others can too.

Or maybe his is always green, and was just blue when he was a ghost because he had a blue aura on the PM (like Roy did.)

[hamishspence]

Could be something to do with being on the Celestial plane.

I notice his magic has white outlines, whereas this has black outlines.

[Optimystik]

Not everyone on the plane uses green magic though, such as the evulz. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0497.html)

Is there any solid reason this can't be Girard finally checking in?

[drengnikrafe]

Is there any solid reason this can't be Girard finally checking in?

That's what I thought immediately when I saw the scrying eye. I didn't even take a moment to have a second thought until this thread.

[Teddy]

Not everyone on the plane uses green magic though, such as the evulz. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0497.html)

The aura surrounding Eugene would perhaps interfere with a spellcasting aura, so perhaps Rich left the latter out. Or perhaps it supresses whatever aura the normal magic has by being stronger...

[Lecan]

Eugene's blue aura is him appearing on the mortal plane, not spellcasting. I cannot recall a time that Eugene has used magic that did not have his green color.

Roy has the same blue aura when he visits the Oracle and Greysky City, but he isn't casting spells.

[Teddy]

Eugene's blue aura is him appearing on the mortal plane, not spellcasting. I cannot recall a time that Eugene has used magic that did not have his green color.

Roy has the same blue aura when he visits the Oracle and Greysky City, but he isn't casting spells.

The illusion of the Greenhilt Sword here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0291.html) and the Detect Scrying here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0292.html) both have a blue aura.

[NerfTW]

V's spell color has also changed when it would blend into the background, I believe.

[Teddy]

V's spell color has also changed when it would blend into the background, I believe.

Where are the walls pink...?:smallconfused:

[Asta Kask]

Where are the walls pink...?:smallconfused:

Castle "Prance-a-lot"?

[Secris]

It should be pointed out that not only is it a green spell, it has two green auras instead of the standard OoTS's one aura drawn around it. This double-layered aura can also be found on the mouth (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0324.html), the memory (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0332.html) charm (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0570.html), and the Oracle when he goes into a trance state (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html), although not when he casts a spell via a magical item (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html).

This leads me to the conclusion that it is, if not the Oracle himself, than it is someone who is in some way related to him. Another of Tiamat's followers perhaps. And just because the Oracle can see the future when he goes into a trance-state doesn't mean he knows every single little thing that is going to happen all over the world forever. I mean, if he can get interrupted during bath time repeatedly, he probably wasn't watching the whole future of this random spot of the desert.

[Pantler]

Lirian. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html)Blah blah blah

[Bat Bear]

It should be pointed out that not only is it a green spell, it has two green auras instead of the standard OoTS's one aura drawn around it. This double-layered aura can also be found on the mouth (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0324.html), the memory (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0332.html) charm (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0570.html), and the Oracle when he goes into a trance state (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html), although not when he casts a spell via a magical item (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html).

This leads me to the conclusion that it is, if not the Oracle himself, than it is someone who is in some way related to him. Another of Tiamat's followers perhaps. And just because the Oracle can see the future when he goes into a trance-state doesn't mean he knows every single little thing that is going to happen all over the world forever. I mean, if he can get interrupted during bath time repeatedly, he probably wasn't watching the whole future of this random spot of the desert.

Girard's message for Soon (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0694.html) also has the double layered aura, which by your logic suggests that the green spell is from another member of his group (which I feel was also implied by the comic).

[Asta Kask]

Girard's message for Soon (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0694.html) also has the double layered aura, which by your logic suggests that the green spell is from another member of his group (which I feel was also implied by the comic).

And that must be the halfling, since the other three are accounted for.

[hamishspence]

Shojo's scrying sensor didn't have the double layer, but The Oracle's magic mouth did.

I'm not sure if there's anything the double-layered spells all have in common. Maybe they are permanent spells, whereas the others are temporary? Thus, this one has been "tripped" so to speak?

[warrl]

I thought maybe it was an epic-spell thing, but I didn't spot any of them in the battle between Vaarsuvius and Xykon.

[Traker]

Lirian. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html)Blah blah blah

SoD spoiler

Xykon kills Lirian in SoD.

[Bat Bear]

And that must be the halfling, since the other three are accounted for.

Sorry, what I meant was that the spell had been cast by one of the group the OotS speculated about in the latest strip, not the Order of the Scribble.

[hamishspence]

I thought maybe it was an epic-spell thing, but I didn't spot any of them in the battle between Vaarsuvius and Xykon.

yes- Cloister, Familicide, Superb Dispelling- none of these have shown double-layer.

Maybe it's a trait of "activated spells in place"- except, the Oracle's prophesies have had it as well.

[Altaria87]

Maybe the double layer has to do with Divination and Illusion (of the Epic variety)?

[Teddy]

Maybe the double layer has to do with Divination and Illusion (of the Epic variety)?

Magic Mouth is very non-epic.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Um, Zz'dtri also uses green magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0065.html). It was a reference to Rich's home game I believe. He mentiones it in the Dungeon Crawlin' Fool commentary.

It might be Girard finally checking in (but what took him so long?), or it could be the return of the Linear Guild! Dun dun, DUN!!! :smallwink:

[Sky_Schemer]

16.8million squared actually - the borders also signify stuff.

Except that the comics are designed for print, which uses CMYK color and implies a more limited color gamut. And then there is the problem that Rich uses GIF images online, which can only show 256 of the translated colors at a time (though he can certainly choose which ones show up in the palette).

What's my point? I don't have one. Just felt like geeking out. :smalltongue:

[veti]

It might be Girard finally checking in (but what took him so long?), or it could be the return of the Linear Guild! Dun dun, DUN!!! :smallwink:

The Linear Guild would be scrying on the party members, most likely Elan or Roy. It looks to me as if that scrying eye is more interested in the location, rather than the people there.

Unless it's someone scrying specifically on Mr Scruffy...

Edit: About the unique-colour-per-caster theory: I think Hilgya (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0074.html)'s magic is the same colour as the other cleric of Loki (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0610.html). Maybe it's deity- and/or alignment-related.

[Herald Alberich]

Edit: About the unique-colour-per-caster theory: I think Hilgya (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0074.html)'s magic is the same colour as the other cleric of Loki (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0610.html). Maybe it's deity- and/or alignment-related.

Applied to clerics only, I'd say that was a good idea, except we've seen several hobgoblin clerics of the Dark One, and their magic generally matches their cloaks.

[werik]

To add to some of the wild speculation it appears as if Grubwiggler casts the same colored magic, aside from the double effect. Golem activated by green magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0576.html)

This is confirmed in Don't Split the Party when Grubwiggler casts a fireball at Haley.

This does seem highly improbable. It implies that someone raised Grubwiggler and it doesn't explain the double field. Furthermore, it seems more probable that if he were to scry on anyone it would be Haley and not Mr. Scruffy or the area.

I think it would have to be an unknown draconic caster. Maybe working with Tiamat, or the Linear Guild, or both. Perhaps V's actions with the black dragons inspired one of them to join the Guild to seek revenge. Though some of the same problems that I alluded to regarding scrying arise with this possibility as well. If we assume that it's a dragon caster, they have never encountered V and therefore might not be able to focus on him/her. As said, it appears that they're scrying on the area. So it also makes little sense that someone looking for the gate would scry on a "completely random place in the desert" since only Soon and those of his followers selectively given this location as a place to search. All of this evidence (admittedly founded on some assumptions) would indicate that the person doing the scrying is searching for Mr. Scruffy personally, or the area. If it is the area, it would imply somebody working with Girard or Serini as they would be the only ones to look for that location. As for somebody with green magic searching for Mr. Scruffy, your guess is as good as mine.

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[CrimsonAngel]

The eye Eugene followed to azure city looks like this eye, but this one is green. I'm just guessing Girard had a censor that his trap went kablooey.

[Gift Jeraff]

I think it would have to be an unknown draconic caster. Maybe working with Tiamat, or the Linear Guild, or both. Perhaps V's actions with the black dragons inspired one of them to join the Guild to seek revenge.[/rambling]
Maybe "that nice green dragon girl from the next woods over (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0628.html)" is the next replacement for V in the Linear Guild? It would fit my personal idea that the next replacements relate to their recent character development. (Belkar's would be Yokyok's wife who has genuinely joined the Dark Side to avenger her husband--and brought along their house pet--and Durkon's would be some sort of mockery of the idea that he doesn't get any development. (Perhaps a duergar who keeps changing his ideologies mid-battle?))

[Fish]

Whoever behind the Oracle's spells - the Oracle doesn't cast spells by himself.
This gets my vote, although I would say "the Oracle hasn't yet cast any spells by himself." All he has said is that he's not a cleric.

I don't understand why the Oracle, or anybody related to the Oracle, would want to spy on that part of the desert, but at least from a color-pattern-matching standpoint, it's the best match so far.

Could it be somebody else? Of course it could. But the alternatives are thus, in what I believe is the order of probability:

1. It is the Oracle's spellcaster, whoever that might be, and Rich is using that color/pattern deliberately.

2. It isn't the Oracle's spellcaster, and Rich simply forgot that he's using a color/pattern he's used before.

3. It isn't the Oracle's spellcaster, and Rich deliberately used a color/pattern he's used before. 3a. This implies we're meant to recognize it, and get the wrong idea.

To my way of thinking, 1 makes the most sense. 3 doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, because if he wanted the reader to get the wrong idea about the origin of the spell (3a), he could've made it more obvious. It's hard to build suspense around the idea that the reader is going to recall and remember something from 150 strips ago, and then to draw the wrong conclusion ... no, if Rich wanted us to believe it was the Oracle, he could've had the Order spy the scrying eye, and they could've gotten the wrong idea. That'd be a much better way of leading the reader down the wrong path.

[Dancing_Fox]

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2. It isn't the Oracle's spellcaster, and Rich simply forgot that he's using a color/pattern he's used before.
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There are other possibilities not excluded by the above. Including:

2b: Is isn't the Oracle's spellcaster. Rich has remembered, but he doesn't care. He just wanted to use a nice shade of green.

It's pretty hard to speculate that the eye colour means anything at the moment. People have tried, but nothing very conclusive has come up. Just sayin'.



(Hmmm. Maybe it's a jealous person scrying?)

[Fish]

Then render 2 as "It isn't the Oracle's spellcaster, but Rich didn't choose a color/pattern he hadn't already used." It amounts to the same thing, really; assuming 2 to be true is a logical dead end anyway. We can't speculate beyond it, because it provides no clues on which to make judgments.

Besides, your 2a is covered under my 3 — he deliberately used a color/pattern he knew he had already used before. Only the conclusion, 3a, would be wrong.

[TSED]

Didn't V start casting anti-scrying spells on the party recently? I don't really have the time to check everything, but it's on the corner of my memory.

If there's anti-scrying spells, well, that explains why it took Girard so long to kick in? He's an illusionist, not a diviner, so it stands to reason he wouldn't have very well developed divining spells / talents.