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Lysander
2010-01-11, 12:16 PM
Huh. Check this out.

Passing through a wall of force is a DC120 Escape Artist check:


Pass through Wall of Force

This allows a character to find a gap of weakness in a wall of force (or similar force effect) and squeeze through it.

So force effects are not entirely solid. Does that mean that water can pass through? Fine grains of sand or dust? Non-magical gasses and fog?

Sstoopidtallkid
2010-01-11, 12:18 PM
So force effects are not entirely solid. Does that mean that water can pass through? Fine grains of sand or dust? Non-magical gasses and fog?or is Epic simply broken? Remember, DC 80 allows you to hide in a space too small for you to fit. That means you are easily breaking geometry already, so passing through a solid object seems entierly reasonable.

For certain definitions of 'reasonable', at least.

Boci
2010-01-11, 12:18 PM
Does that mean that water can pass through? Fine grains of sand or dust? Non-magical gasses and fog?

Sure. If they can make the DC: 120 check.

SparkMandriller
2010-01-11, 12:18 PM
Not unless the fog can make a DC 120 check!


boci i am going to get you

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 12:19 PM
Epic is simply broken. Remember, DC 80 allows you to hide in a space too small for you to fit. That means you are easily breaking geometry already, so passing through a solid object seems entierly reasonable.

For certain definitions of 'reasonable', at least.

Fixed it for you.

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 12:35 PM
I love the Epic Skill checks. They must have frun out of Red Bull when they were setting the DCs.

"Ah just throw a handful of dice, use whatever shows up. I'm going to sleep."*

*Dramatisation (may not have happened).

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 12:39 PM
@ Kobold Bard: Crack...not Red Bull...straight up crack. :smalleek:

FMArthur
2010-01-11, 12:44 PM
So... how does one successfully make a DC 120 Escape Artist check pre-epic?

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 12:46 PM
So... how does one successfully make a DC 120 Escape Artist check pre-epic?

I really don't think it's doable. Perhaps that class that lets you use one skill as another (Exemplar?), use the Jumplomancer guide but trade Jump into Escape Artist.

Perhaps.

Pharaoh's Fist
2010-01-11, 12:47 PM
Escape Artist doesn't get a bonus from speed, though.

Eloel
2010-01-11, 12:47 PM
I really don't think it's doable. Perhaps that class that lets you use one skill as another (Exemplar?), use the Jumplomancer guide but trade Jump into Escape Artist.

Perhaps.

Exemplar only lets you do stuff instead of Diplomancy, not 'one as another'.


Also, try Shadow Form spell (from SC), easier passing through Wall of Force.

Milskidasith
2010-01-11, 12:48 PM
I jump 380 feet through the wall of force, forcing everybody around to be fanatic about me in the process.

Douglas
2010-01-11, 12:48 PM
So... how does one successfully make a DC 120 Escape Artist check pre-epic?
Aid another. 100 allies (really small animated objects are best, usually) making aid another checks to boost your check.

Lysander
2010-01-11, 12:51 PM
Hear music from an epic bard that's taken Epic Inspiration many many times?

Level 1 Commoner: Wow, that's the most beautiful thing I have ever heard! Time to phase through this force field!

Closak
2010-01-11, 12:52 PM
Talking about epic skill checks.

What about the guy who rolled a 238 for his Diplomacy check on the big angry fire breathing super dragon that was about to fry him and the rest of the whole damned country just a few seconds beforehand?

Blasted dragon went straight from "I KILL YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU EVER CARED ABOUT!" to willing slave in an instant.


...Wut?
Ridiculous diplomacy is ridiculous.

Sstoopidtallkid
2010-01-11, 12:55 PM
DC 120? Artificer works, of course. Other than that, Catfolk Rogue 1/Cleric 19. 23(Ranks)+14(Dex)+30(item)+5(Feats)+25(Moment of Prescience)=97 And that's Core(other than Race). I'm sure that there's +13 elsewhere so you do it by taking 10.

Emmerask
2010-01-11, 12:58 PM
So... how does one successfully make a DC 120 Escape Artist check pre-epic?

Well outside of very specific builds
there is the very very small chance if you are using open ended rolls houserule (if you roll a twenty you roll again and add)

deuxhero
2010-01-11, 12:58 PM
Didn't /tg/ have a thread about how to optimize Escape Artist to crawl inside of people?

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 01:00 PM
Didn't /tg/ have a thread about how to optimize Escape Artist to crawl inside of people?

Yes they did. Now never speak of it again <shudders>

Emmerask
2010-01-11, 01:01 PM
wasn´t that the assplomancer or somesuch? :smallbiggrin:

Sstoopidtallkid
2010-01-11, 01:02 PM
Didn't /tg/ have a thread about how to optimize Escape Artist to crawl inside of people?DC 80 is doable pre-epic with no particular optimization. Catfolk Rogue with a +30 item and max dex and ranks grabs you +67. Just out of range for taking 12, though.

Closak
2010-01-11, 01:04 PM
Player A: I crawl inside the dragons ass using Escape Artist

DM: ...What?

Player B: *Facepalm*

Player C: I start running.

Deth Muncher
2010-01-11, 01:04 PM
Yes they did. Now never speak of it again <shudders>

Leave it to 4chan to figure out how to use Escape Artist to get into people's butts. I mean, 4chan IS called the "---hole of the Internet" for a reason. (Alternatively, Interbutts.)

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 01:06 PM
DC 80 is doable pre-epic with no particular optimization. Catfolk Rogue with a +30 item and max dex and ranks grabs you +67. Just out of range for taking 12, though.

Skill improvement items don't go above +10 pre-Epic I thought.

The Glyphstone
2010-01-11, 01:07 PM
The pre-existing ones don't, but Epic Items are defined as having a skill check bonus of greater than +30. It just has to be a custom item, but +30 is non-Epic.

Bayar
2010-01-11, 01:09 PM
wasn´t that the assplomancer or somesuch? :smallbiggrin:

It was called the Spelunker, and it used a DC 80 Escape artist check to crawl up someone's *******.

It is still archived...I could link it here, but GitP is less amused by this kind of shenanagins than Gleemax was.

Sstoopidtallkid
2010-01-11, 01:09 PM
Player A: I crawl inside the dragons ass using Escape Artist

DM: ...What?

Player B: *Facepalm*

Player C: I start running.Goddammit, Red Mage... (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/13/episode-1140-where-the-sun-dont-shine/)

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 01:12 PM
I wonder how much damage you can do from in there...perforated colon...dysentary...

Nevermind, I don't want to think about it anymore...:smalleek:

Pharaoh's Fist
2010-01-11, 01:14 PM
It was called the Spelunker, and it used a DC 80 Escape artist check to crawl up someone's *******.


And this makes your victim target fanatical for you.

Closak
2010-01-11, 01:18 PM
Goddammit, Red Mage... (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/13/episode-1140-where-the-sun-dont-shine/)

Exactly.

But did he have to do it on a friggin dragon the size of a small mountain?

And this is the same guy who got everyone killed by sexually harassing a Pit Fiend at level 13 in another campaign.

How many TPK's have his antics caused? I lost count.


Step 1: Party wizard decides that taking a trip to the lower planes is a good idea.

Step 2: Party wizard finds nearest Pit Fiend and starts hitting on it.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: TPK

Optimystik
2010-01-11, 01:24 PM
And this is the same guy who got everyone killed by sexually harassing a Pit Fiend at level 13 in another campaign.

How many TPK's have his antics caused? I lost count.

Sounds like his lust is getting the better of him.

Like... a kender, only with satyriasis instead of kleptomania.

(I have nothing to contribute to this discussion.)

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 01:28 PM
I have to ask, though...how did he get in hos own a-hole?
:smalleek:

Pharaoh's Fist
2010-01-11, 01:29 PM
He jumped in along with the others, naturally.

Sliver
2010-01-11, 01:30 PM
I remember a time where I read the entire Spelunker thread.. :smalleek:

Didn't they discuss the DC of climbing inside yourself and getting out of your own mouth? :smallconfused:

Optimystik
2010-01-11, 01:30 PM
I have to ask, though...how did he get in hos own a-hole?
:smalleek:

It was a portable hole, he merely gave it a suggestive name.

In case you already knew that and weren't being serious, here is a water balloon to chuck at my head.

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 01:34 PM
It was a portable hole, he merely gave it a suggestive name.

In case you already knew that and weren't being serious, here is a water balloon to chuck at my head.

*chucks water baloon*

I was a follower of 8BT long before I was introduced to OoTS.

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 01:35 PM
I remember a time where I read the entire Spelunker thread.. :smalleek:

Didn't they discuss the DC of climbing inside yourself and getting out of your own mouth? :smallconfused:

Why? Just why? This serves absolutely no purpose except to scare the hell out of people/make people vomit uncontrollably. Which can be achieved through far less dangerous means (Major Image is less likely to get a DMG thrown at your head).

Kris Strife
2010-01-11, 01:43 PM
Why? Just why? This serves absolutely no purpose except to scare the hell out of people/make people vomit uncontrollably. Which can be achieved through far less dangerous means (Major Image is less likely to get a DMG thrown at your head).

Because the rules say they can.

oxybe
2010-01-11, 01:46 PM
And this makes your victim target fanatical for you.

well, once you've been that familiar and intimate with someone...

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 01:49 PM
Because the rules say they can.

You make my brain cry :smallamused:

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 01:52 PM
You make my brain cry :smallamused:

Here's a fork. Now you can try to poke out your mind's eye.

SparkMandriller
2010-01-11, 01:53 PM
Is /tg/ always that good? I don't go there that often.

Maybe I should start.

Keshay
2010-01-11, 02:02 PM
I wonder how much damage you can do from in there...perforated colon...dysentary...

Nevermind, I don't want to think about it anymore...:smalleek:

Going by most rules as written, I'd say it would be comparable to cutting your way out of a creature that has Swallow Whole. After the initial 20-30 damage to cut a gaping hole in the creatures digestive tract and abdomen, MUSCULAR ACTION!!! would close the hole, thus preventing any further blood loss or other escapees.

I'd like to meet whoever came up with this "muscular action" sthick. Then hit them in the head with a hammer, because they're... well you know the rest.
(Maybe muscular action woudl close the whole in their skull...)

dsmiles
2010-01-11, 02:08 PM
Going by most rules as written, I'd say it would be comparable to cutting your way out of a creature that has Swallow Whole. After the initial 20-30 damage to cut a gaping hole in the creatures digestive tract and abdomen, MUSCULAR ACTION!!! would close the hole, thus preventing any further blood loss or other escapees.

I'd like to meet whoever came up with this "muscular action" sthick. Then hit them in the head with a hammer, because they're... well you know the rest.
(Maybe muscular action woudl close the whole in their skull...)

What if you used immovable rods to hold it open?

Kobold-Bard
2010-01-11, 02:11 PM
What if you used immovable rods to hold it open?

<Takes fork>
<Stabs dsmiles repeatedly>

Ahh, that's better :smallsmile:

SurlySeraph
2010-01-11, 02:14 PM
Is /tg/ always that good? I don't go there that often.

Maybe I should start.

No, it is generally worse than that, but they have flashes of mad genius. Their archives at sup/tg/ (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html) have lots of good threads, and 1d4chan (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Main_Page) is a great introduction to their memes, best content, great historical threads, etc. I particularly recommend the articles on Kharn, Dwarf Fortress, Sameo, Angry Marines, HS40K, and Sir Brian.

TheCountAlucard
2010-01-11, 02:18 PM
Make sure to take a bunch of heavy cannonballs with you when you wriggle your way inside - you can just drop them once you're in - to bring your opponent's encumbrance as high as possible. :smallamused:

Kris Strife
2010-01-11, 02:31 PM
You make my brain cry :smallamused:

Should I be proud or ashamed of myself?

sonofzeal
2010-01-11, 02:35 PM
Player A: I crawl inside the dragons ass using Escape Artist

DM: ...What?

Player B: *Facepalm*

Player C: I start running.

If your DM isn't sure he heard you right, you're probably doing something very, very wrong.

Or very, very right.

Deth Muncher
2010-01-11, 03:43 PM
And this makes your victim target fanatical for you.

In Soviet Russia, you brownnose YOUR fanatical followers!

Mongoose87
2010-01-11, 03:45 PM
In Soviet Russia, you brownnose YOUR fanatical followers!

No, no, they definitely did not.

drengnikrafe
2010-01-11, 04:00 PM
I happen to love Epic skill checks. Not for ever being used, or optimizer towards, or really anything else that vaguely relates to the game, but rather to sit and laugh at.

Merk
2010-05-30, 08:36 PM
Off the top of my head for pre-epic:

Halfling Factotum 20 with Skill Focus (Escape Artist) and Agile.

On 32 PB:
Dex: 18 base + 2 racial + 6 enhancement + 5 tome + 5 level = 36 (+13)
Int: 18 base + 6 enhancement + 4 tome = 28 (+9)

Check:

20 (take 20) + 23 (ranks) + 13 (dex) + 9 (int; brains over brawn) + 20 (untyped; cunning knowledge) + 30 (competence; competence item) + 25 (insight; maxed CL scroll of moment of prescience) + 3 (skill focus) + 2 (agile) + 2 (masterwork tool) = 147.

Runestar
2010-05-30, 08:46 PM
Don't forget greater heroism for another +4 morale. Item familiar probably works as well.

So what masterwork tool helps you squeeze into someone's behind more easily? :smalltongue:

The Glyphstone
2010-05-30, 08:49 PM
http://angelicvoices.net/Thread_Necromancy.jpg

The Cat Goddess
2010-05-30, 09:15 PM
Well, you've all forgotten having a Marshal use his Aura to increase your skills... or being a Marshal to use your own Aura to inscrease your skills.

Scorpions__
2010-05-30, 09:24 PM
Good luck Escape Artisting the local Saint when he shows up here, in the next, oh...





DM[F]R

Heliomance
2010-05-30, 10:59 PM
Off the top of my head for pre-epic:

Halfling Factotum 20 with Skill Focus (Escape Artist) and Agile.

On 32 PB:
Dex: 18 base + 2 racial + 6 enhancement + 5 tome + 5 level = 36 (+13)
Int: 18 base + 6 enhancement + 4 tome = 28 (+9)

Check:

20 (take 20) + 23 (ranks) + 13 (dex) + 9 (int; brains over brawn) + 20 (untyped; cunning knowledge) + 30 (competence; competence item) + 25 (insight; maxed CL scroll of moment of prescience) + 3 (skill focus) + 2 (agile) + 2 (masterwork tool) = 147.

Go Petal instead of Halfling, dropping two levels of Factotum for the LA, and drop another level for Marshal. This gives you charisma to the check as well, and a petal has +10 racial to dex, and something like +4 to int and +8 to cha.