The Boondock Saints take on Gotham City

[Renegade Paladin]

Commissioner Gordon gripped his revolver instinctively as he stood behind the squad car, watching the Gotham SWAT team move into position around the warehouse. The Penguin was in there, all right. This sting had been months in the making, and finally Gotham's finest would have one of the city's most notorious gangsters in custody. The signal was given, and rams were applied to the front and back doors. Flash-bangs went in, their noise and light quickly followed by armored officers.

No shots were fired, and it was only a few seconds before the SWAT leader's voice came over the radio. "Commissioner, the building's secured. You'd... Well sir, you'd better come take a look at this."

"I'm on my way," Gordon answered as he approached the building. Ducking inside, he saw, rather than the expected scene of the Penguin and his henchmen collecting protection payouts from their street hoods, a strangely organized slaughterhouse. Gunshot-riddled bodies lay all over, apparently where they'd fallen, but all were laid on their backs, hands crossed over their chests, and strangest of all a penny over each closed eye. In the center was the Penguin, with an exit wound in each cheek, laid out as if for funeral, eyes covered in copper.

Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot was no more. Somehow, the Commissioner failed to take comfort in that fact.
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Well, the title says it all. Connor and Murphy McManus, together with their father Noah, set up shop in Gotham City. For the purposes of this scenario, they have their normal resources, including Doc (along with his bar and the back room thereof), the crazy arms dealer, and Connor's friggin' rope (:smalltongue:), but not Rocco or Romeo (though if there are any likely characters for them to recruit in similar manner to Romeo, they might do so). Before them: The monumental task of ridding Gotham City of violent organized crime, all the while avoiding Gotham's finest, the vengeance of their targets, and the goddamned Batman. How does it go down? What does Batman do? Presuming they whack the Penguin first (he's an obvious choice; easier to find than the Riddler or the Joker and everyone else tends to have superpowers that would make whacking them difficult), how does Gotham's criminal underworld react? We can fairly well say what the police will do (i.e. try to catch them if they can figure out who's doing it), but are there other factors that I, not being an avid follower of Batman comics, might not have considered?

[Mando Knight]

Batman would find them. And bring them to justice. They might think they're the good guys, but they made one mistake: they broke Batman's one rule in Batman's town. Gordon fires up the Bat-signal, confers with Bats on what just went down, and then Batman goes to the crime scene himself. No one escapes the World's Greatest Detective.

Unless it's **** Grayson as Batman (he's taken over lately). Him I'm not quite as sure about, but since he's got experience working with Wayne as Robin and on his own as Nightwing, he's probably almost as good.

[Starscream]

If they're lucky: Batman finds them.

If they're unlucky: They find one of Batman's enemies.

Seriously, even guys like the Riddler and Ventriloquist have their moments of scariness. Unless you count total scrubs like Killer Moth and Cluemaster, the Saints don't have a chance.

Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Mad Hatter, Mr Freeze, Penguin, Two-Face. And don't even mention the Joker. Hell, I wouldn't put money on them against Harley Quinn.

They are guys with guns. That's all. Pretty good with the guns, but nothing special. The average Gotham villain goes through a dozen more talented mooks a week. What made them special was that they existed in a fairly realistic setting, in which that sort of vigilantism is nearly unheard of.

Gotham is different. Do you think that city doesn't have hundred of citizens who would gladly gun down the Joker? People have tried before. They will be missed.

[chiasaur11]

Heck, the Penguin probably has better muscle than anyone would want to deal with it.

He runs a semi-legit bar now, doesn't he?

[BRC]

Yeah, the Saints are good gunfighters, but what made them effective in their movies was mainly that mobsters didn't expect a pair of Irish Catholic Freelance Badasses to kick down their doors and start shooting. That sort of thing simply didn't happen before the Saints showed up, and remember what happened the time they tried it on somebody who was expecting trouble?
In Gotham, all the Criminals are already paranoid about somebody kicking their door down and thwarting their schemes Vis-a-vis gratuitous violence. Mind you, they're more used to it being a guy in a bat costume than two guys with guns, but alot of the preparations will overlap. The Saints will jump in, probably shoot a few goons, before getting shot themselves because their not wearing billion dollar body armor and are just two meat packers with good genes, rather than a guy who has trained to be the best at everything and is wearing gear that would make any defense contractor salivate.

Even assuming they, for example, shoot their way through the Penguin's organization, they'd have Batman after them.

[Renegade Paladin]

Gotham's mobsters don't expect that either; what they expect is Batman sneaking in and not shooting them.

[celticbushido]

The biggest issue here, besides Batman, and his villains is the greater Gotham. There's the entire Batman family to consider, along with the other heroes that call Gotham home.

My best bet is the saints would make a pretty big splash with a spectacular first kill, this would attract Batman's attention but also the attention of another Gotham resident Tommy Monaghan AKA Hitman. He'd most likely team up with the Saints to continue their mission, who knows maybe even Jason Todd might join the team too, he was the second Robin, as well Red Hood, and posed as both Batman and Nightwing. Now that the Saint's have friends, it's going to be a more difficult fight, especially since Todd's knowledge of Bat-baddies psychology will help them plan more effectively.

**** Grayson and Jim Gordon would work closely together in a coordinated strike to eliminate the new murderous threat to the city, GCPD would be on high alert with Maggie Sawyer's Major Crime Unit taking point. Add to that the rampant police corruption and most of the city's officers are going to be pretty gun happy. The streets are soon going to be running with blood, and at least one of the new Power Saints, most likely dad, will probably find himself six feet under with a good swath of the criminal underworld.

The Joker finds the whole situation hilarious and spends most of his time in Arkaham watching and laughing. The city's more gangster criminals like Scarface and Black Mask, would rip the city apart searching for the Power Saints to no avail, many would die in the effort, and chances are another Power Saint goes down, he'll be mourned an avenged.

Finally Batman running out of options and desperately trying to keep a lid of the city pressure cooker, contacts Oracle AKA Barbara Gordon, who sends her Bird's of Prey to help deal with the situation. With the help of the Birds and Oracle Batman would finally locate the Power Saints, now weakened but no less dangerous. While Hitman and whatever remains of the McManus clan wouldn't try to kill Batman's team, Jason Todd would, and the battle would get out of hand quickly with Grayson and Todd's sheer hatred of each other. The Power Saints realize they can't win, and retreat with Hitman setting up a distraction to keep the Birds busy. Jason Todd gets beaten and fakes his death (again) to escape.

This isn't even taking in to account some other Gotham heroes like Creeper, Plastic Man, or the nearly all powerful Alan Scott. If they run into Alan first well lets just say that they won't make it very far. Earth's First Green Lantern would probably kick them around for a minute then show them the error of their ways over at hot cup of cocoa.

And that's how it'd go down.

[Revlid]

Gotham's mobsters don't expect that either; what they expect is Batman sneaking in and not shooting them.
Or Joker/Black Mask/Scarecrow/Ventriloquist/any other crime boss in the city kicking the doors down and shooting at/gassing/bombing them.

Or Huntress, or Vigilante, both of whom play for keeps.

I wouldn't even put good odds on the Boondock Saints taking down Penguin, unless he was being offed for shock value/to show just how SRS the writer is.

[darkblade]

Or Huntress, or Vigilante, both of whom play for keeps.


Or Hitman or Red Hood or the Demon Etrigan or Deathstroke (sometimes when he feels like being being good) who also play for keeps.

Even the Punisher during the 90s Marvel/DC crossovers felt he was out of his league in Gotham. The man who just spent most of 2009 waging war on Norman Osborne (and all his HAMMER tech and resources) and The Hood (with all his magic and every super villain in Marvel New York on his payroll) with nothing but a van full of millitary hardware felt he was out of his league in Gotham City.

The Saints are screwed any way you look at it.

[Renegade Paladin]

There are targets other than Batman's rogues gallery in Gotham as well. There's multiple mafia families, a few tongs, some Yakuza clans, and I seem to recall the Russian mob and several street gangs. Not everyone they'd go after is a super-powered badass, and we know from the second movie that they can take on mobsters who know they're coming and are preparing for them.

[chiasaur11]

Or Hitman or Red Hood or the Demon Etrigan or Deathstroke (sometimes when he feels like being being good) who also play for keeps.

Even the Punisher during the 90s Marvel/DC crossovers felt he was out of his league in Gotham. The man who just spent most of 2009 waging war on Norman Osborne (and all his HAMMER tech and resources) and The Hood (with all his magic and every super villain in Marvel New York on his payroll) with nothing but a van full of millitary hardware felt he was out of his league in Gotham City.

The Saints are screwed any way you look at it.

And, depending on the time, Gotham has Vic Sage, the Question, a man who was a vigilante in Hub City. The one place that makes Gotham look nice.

And he managed to survive it.

[darkblade]

There are targets other than Batman's rogues gallery in Gotham as well. There's multiple mafia families, a few tongs, some Yakuza clans, and I seem to recall the Russian mob and several street gangs. Not everyone they'd go after is a super-powered badass, and we know from the second movie that they can take on mobsters who know they're coming and are preparing for them.

Those are not normal organized criminals though. Those are organized criminals who are badass enough to remian in buiness despite the costumed and superpowered badasses running around the city.

You saw how badly the Joker was trouncing the Mob at the start of The Dark Knight. That was early in Batman's career. The mobs they have now have learned how to stop that from happening to them on a weekly basis. If anything they are more dangerous than the costumed villains.