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Barbarian MD
2010-01-16, 10:08 AM
So, I've got a Church Inquisitor with this ability:

Force Shapechange (Su): A church inquisitor of 6th
level or higher can force a creature into its natural form.
The church inquisitor must make a successful melee touch
attack against the creature. If the attack is successful, the
church inquisitor makes a caster level check as if casting
dispel magic against the shapechanging effect. The church
inquisitor’s +4 bonus on dispel checks (the Inquisition
domain granted power) applies to this check. This ability
undoes the effect of alter self, polymorph, shapechange, and
alternate form abilities, whether exceptional, spell-like, or
supernatural in nature. The affected creature cannot change
its shape again for 1d6 rounds. The church inquisitor can use
this ability at will.

And he's fighting a caster who just made himself incorporeal using a spell.

Would Force Shapechange force him back into corporeality?

Raging Gene Ray
2010-01-16, 10:11 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't. The touch attack can still succeed whether he's incorporeal or not.

Barbarian MD
2010-01-16, 10:12 AM
But would the attack dispel his incorporeal spell and make him corporeal again?

Gerrtt
2010-01-16, 10:15 AM
My first thought is that it would if the caster used alter self, polymorph, shapechange, or an alternate form ability to become incorporeal.

Maybe not if something else was used to become incorporeal, like actually becoming a creature that is incorporeal in some way.

tyckspoon
2010-01-16, 10:29 AM
My first thought is that it would if the caster used alter self, polymorph, shapechange, or an alternate form ability to become incorporeal.


This. If you're dealing with somebody who has Shapechanged into a shadow or something, then you can force them out of that shape. If they simply cast Etherealness or Ghostform or similar, then no- those are not "alter self, Polymorph, Shapechange, Alternate form" or abilities derived from such, like Wild Shape.

Optimystik
2010-01-16, 10:57 AM
This. If you're dealing with somebody who has Shapechanged into a shadow or something, then you can force them out of that shape. If they simply cast Etherealness or Ghostform or similar, then no- those are not "alter self, Polymorph, Shapechange, Alternate form" or abilities derived from such, like Wild Shape.

Agreement.

Target changes shape into something that can become incorporeal - he is vulnerable to the CI ability.

Target turns incorporeal on his own - he is safe.