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Pika...
2010-01-18, 06:57 AM
I was certain they could, but now I can not find it under the SRD in either the Learning New Powers or Power Stones section.

Foryn Gilnith
2010-01-18, 07:07 AM
They can't learn them permanently (I think), but if a psion successfully makes contact with a power stone, they can manifest a power within on the next round. If you keep the power stone around, you can do this 1/day.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm ("Manifest an unknown power from another's powers known)

kamikasei
2010-01-18, 07:13 AM
You might consider letting a psion use a power stone to obtain some kind of discount on the XP cost of learning the power contained via independent research (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm#independentResearch).

Learning new powers as a psion is not so easy as learning new spells as a wizard - this seems to me the most reasonable baseline to work from.

Optimystik
2010-01-18, 08:09 AM
Erudites (CPsi) are the only characters that can truly learn powers from power stones. But they are slightly more limited in what they can manifest each day than a Psion (though not as much as a Wilder.)

@ kami - though the wording is ambiguous, independent research for psions is implied to be like that of sorcerers - i.e. that doing so will still use a spell (power) known slot.

kamikasei
2010-01-18, 08:13 AM
@ kami - though the wording is ambiguous, independent research for psions is implied to be like that of sorcerers - i.e. that doing so will still use a spell (power) known slot.

I don't see any such implication. What are you basing that on?

Cyclocone
2010-01-18, 08:23 AM
Try comparing it to Psychic Chirurgery (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/psychicChirurgery.htm).

Psychic Chirurgery is more expensive and requires coercing a 17th level manifester into helping you; on the other hand it's 10 minutes vs. weeks of complete inaction, which might not be readily available in a given campaign.

Optimystik
2010-01-18, 09:30 AM
I don't see any such implication. What are you basing that on?

Actually, I rescind that - independent research for Psions requires a Psicraft check while sorcerers don't, so it stands to reason that theirs would be a little stronger. Though I think that allowing Psions to circumvent their powers known limitation in this way (researching "independent powers" that are functionally identical to existing ones) has great abuse potential.

Starbuck_II
2010-01-18, 10:01 AM
Why? Psion use XP to learn.
Wizards use gold (easy to acquire more).

Optimystik
2010-01-18, 10:03 AM
Why? Psion use XP to learn.
Wizards use gold (easy to acquire more).

Right, the Psion's method is harder, therefore it should add to powers known (unlike wiz/sorc, who only require DM permission.) Sorcerers don't even need gold, just a spells known slot.