Recreating a "killed" wight [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

OmegaDonut

2010-01-20, 09:41 AM

i6uuaq

2010-01-20, 09:56 AM

Hmm. WfkaI. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it as GwtH.

Moving on.

derfenrirwolv

2010-01-20, 10:15 AM

Its easy

You make another wight

You put isamu's bandana on it and call it a day

edit: Ahah! its the wight with boots! he probably took isamus bandana too

Teddy

2010-01-20, 10:28 AM

edit: Ahah! its the wight with boots! he probably took isamus bandana too

Uh, WfkaI did also have boots, and the wight with boots is actually holding the door in the first panel.

Lamech

2010-01-20, 10:37 AM

IIRC except for the animate dead spells, nothing says you can't make undead from undead corpses. Which really sucks for anyone fighting Tsukiko I guess if she made her own army.

Optimystik

2010-01-20, 11:18 AM

Going by Libris Mortis, you need Limited Wish or Revive Undead to reanimate a previously destroyed undead creature.

Personally, I'm leaning toward the "different wight, same bandana" theory, her creations seem concerned about fashion like that.

The Vorpal Tribble

2010-01-20, 11:22 AM

Going by Libris Mortis, you need Limited Wish or Revive Undead to reanimate a previously destroyed undead creature.
If that's the case that makes for an interesting preventative in undead-heavy campaigns.

Allow yourself to be killed while in chains, animate them into something really low-leveled, kill it, resurrect.

Boom, you can't come back as a ghost or be turned against your friends.

The MunchKING

2010-01-20, 02:52 PM

Boom, you can't come back as a ghost or be turned against your friends.

What's wrong with Ghosts? I thought (according to the MM) they usually shared the alignment they had in life. So only Evil people (or poeple who were crushed by the soul-squashing tedium of undead itude for a few hundred years) would be Evil...

Optimystik

2010-01-20, 03:20 PM

If that's the case that makes for an interesting preventative in undead-heavy campaigns.

Allow yourself to be killed while in chains, animate them into something really low-leveled, kill it, resurrect.

Boom, you can't come back as a ghost or be turned against your friends.

What? if you resurrect you're alive again, leaving you perfectly free to be killed and reanimated once more.

The prohibition in LM refers to sequential destructions and reanimations with no resurrection in between.

Hatman

2010-01-20, 03:25 PM

Optimystik

2010-01-20, 03:27 PM

hmm interesting note, the Isamu wight here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html
has a sash going from left arm to right hip, where as the one here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0521.html
has a sash going from right arm to left hip

He must have been making out with Tsukiko. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0365.html)

Skorj

2010-01-20, 03:28 PM

I think Tsukiko recreates with a great many undead -who can keep track? :smallbiggrin:

Teddy

2010-01-20, 03:29 PM

hmm interesting note, the Isamu wight here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html
has a sash going from left arm to right hip, where as the one here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0521.html
has a sash going from right arm to left hip

Rich did, however, state on one of the book's commentaries pages (WaXPs, I think) that the sashes on Elan and Nale were a pain to draw in the correct direction.

Keris

2010-01-20, 04:01 PM

hmm interesting note, the Isamu wight here:
#700 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html)
has a sash going from left arm to right hip, where as the one here:
#521 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0521.html)
has a sash going from right arm to left hip
#521 is an anomaly. Isamu in #511 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0511.html)- (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0512.html)13 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0513.html) and Wight Isamu in #519 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0519.html) has the sash going from left arm to right hip.

Yendor

2010-01-20, 04:31 PM

As a side note, Isamu had a dark blue top. When he became a wight, it disappeared.

factotum

2010-01-20, 05:16 PM

As a side note, Isamu had a dark blue top. When he became a wight, it disappeared.

I don't think it disappeared--it just changed colour to better suit Isamu's new Undead status. Monochrome FTW!

ThePhantasm

2010-01-20, 07:09 PM

Wight Isamu got killed. This wight just coincidentally looks the same.

DarklingPerhaps

2010-01-20, 09:53 PM

Given how much Tsukiko cares about her undead maybe she got a ton of scrools with Revive Undead just so they didn't have to die for real. Because there's no reason to assume it's not Isamu if you think about it in a metagamey type way.

salinan

2010-01-21, 01:50 AM

I'm going for the simplest explanation - Rich forgot he'd killed him off. So to speak.

If you really want to keep immersion, Tsukiko must have really liked him, and cast the necessary spells to get him back. But it's a stretch to think that Rich drew a character that looks exactly like Wight Isamu, but really isn't - he only does that for generic characters like the Azurite military.

Zeitgeist

2010-01-21, 03:27 AM

But it's a stretch to think that Rich drew a character that looks exactly like Wight Isamu, but really isn't

Exactly.

I'm really wondering why so many people seem to think it's a different wight in the same outfit. Exactly the same. No other wight has something so distinct, and this one has BOTH the sash and the mask.

It would be extremely silly for Rich to bother to make sure he looked exactly like Wight Isamu if he did not intend for it to be Wight Isamu.

Not to mention... In 521, Belkar says "unless someone raises you" and while yes, he's a wight and raising wouldn't work, it's foreshadowing that he would not remain "dead" permanently. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Rich to have planned to use that line specifically for that purpose.

It's definitely Isamu. Why she brought him back from undeath-death, I don't know, but it's definitely him.

Conuly

2010-01-21, 10:24 AM

Why she brought him back from undeath-death, I don't know, but it's definitely him.

Because he's just a baaaaaaaaybeeeee and she loooooves him (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html). She's surprisingly maternal towards her unholy abominations, isn't she? Gotta wonder why she doesn't undeadify herself... something which would probably get her a little (slightly) closer to Xykon as well, given he's not one of those "disgusting biophiliacs".

Kish

2010-01-21, 10:53 AM

Because he's just a baaaaaaaaybeeeee and she loooooves him (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html). She's surprisingly maternal towards her unholy abominations, isn't she? Gotta wonder why she doesn't undeadify herself... something which would probably get her a little (slightly) closer to Xykon as well, given he's not one of those "disgusting biophiliacs".
To be a free-willed undead, she would need to turn herself into a lich. Something that, assuming she knows how (Redcloak does, but he hardly seems likely to volunteer to do it for her, nor would she likely trust him to if he did), would both um...not agree with her sex drive (putting it delicately) and, though she would probably be the only person in the room not to realize this, would result in Xykon instantly destroying her as a rival.

Cizak

2010-01-21, 12:31 PM

I know who GWaH is, but who's WfkaI?

Shale

2010-01-21, 12:35 PM

The Wight Formerly Known As Isamu.

Dr.Epic

2010-01-21, 12:36 PM

I'm not too familiar on the rules regarding recreating an undead creature, but I recall the Wight Formerly Known as Isamu met its end at Belkar's daggers here. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0521.html)

Maybe Tsukiko resurrected Isamu and then wighted him again. I guess she cares that much.

Nope. He didn't die. Someone just really quickly and sneakily put eyeliner on his eyes. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0537.html)

Shale

2010-01-21, 12:37 PM

Those damned guerrilla beauticians are a plague upon civilization.

Conuly

2010-01-21, 12:52 PM

To be a free-willed undead, she would need to turn herself into a lich. Something that, assuming she knows how (Redcloak does, but he hardly seems likely to volunteer to do it for her, nor would she likely trust him to if he did), would both um...not agree with her sex drive (putting it delicately) and, though she would probably be the only person in the room not to realize this, would result in Xykon instantly destroying her as a rival.

Well, it's good to know what'll happen to her if she does, but she's crazy enough not to think things through, isn't she?

The MunchKING

2010-01-21, 04:26 PM

Going by Libris Mortis, you need Limited Wish or Revive Undead to reanimate a previously destroyed undead creature.

Does that apply to seintent undead, or all undead?

Sort of "Well they disjointed the spells making my Zombie an Undead. I've got a corpse and a raise Dead Memorized, I'll make a NEW Zombie out of it." thing for mindless undead, and Seintent Undead needed "Raise Undead" because they had a specific soul/personality/whatever attached to them.

Personally, I'm leaning toward the "different wight, same bandana" theory, her creations seem concerned about fashion like that.

It's Undead. How much do you think stabbing would hurt it anyway??

Optimystik

2010-01-21, 04:31 PM

Does that apply to seintent undead, or all undead?

Sort of "Well they disjointed the spells making my Zombie an Undead. I've got a corpse and a raise Dead Memorized, I'll make a NEW Zombie out of it." thing for mindless undead, and Seintent Undead needed "Raise Undead" because they had a specific soul/personality/whatever attached to them.

As wights are sentient (i.e. not mindless), the point is a tad moot.

It's Undead. How much do you think stabbing would hurt it anyway??

Enough to put X's in its eyes, implying destruction.

The MunchKING

2010-01-21, 04:48 PM

As wights are sentient (i.e. not mindless), the point is a tad moot.

True, I'm asking for general edification...

Enough to put X's in its eyes, implying destruction.

Well alright...