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Fortuna
2010-01-26, 06:55 PM
I'm bored. So I present this challenge: gain access to the largest number of sizes without expending non-renewable resources by level 20. Slight Build and Powerful Build count. You should be able to achieve each size without using any consumables, without the help of an ally, and within 1 minute of being informed of what size you need to be, assuming that you start from any reasonable size (i. e. day-long buffs, natural size, continuous magic items etc.).

Dusk Eclipse
2010-01-26, 06:59 PM
Do power point count as consumables? cause I think that a psychic warrior with Comprension and Expansion can get to ANY size in a round.

Ernir
2010-01-26, 07:01 PM
On a related note, spell slots?

Fortuna
2010-01-26, 07:07 PM
Power points and spell slots are not counted as consumables: however, XP and GP expenditure which must be reused each time you want to achieve that size are.

sonofzeal
2010-01-26, 07:09 PM
Do power point count as consumables? cause I think that a psychic warrior with Comprension and Expansion can get to ANY size in a round.
You can drop or grow up to two categories in either direction, but not beyond that.

Metamorphosis would get you the rest of the way though.

Ernir
2010-01-26, 07:13 PM
Medium-sized CL 19+ Wu Jen. Cast Giant Size or Minute form on demand. :smalltongue:

tyckspoon
2010-01-26, 07:19 PM
Kobolds Do It Better:
Be a Dragonwrought Kobold Druid of sufficient age. Achieve level 15 + some spare XP. Have your last four feats Psychic Reformed into the Epic feats Diminutive, Fine, Gargantuan, and Colossal Wildshape. You can cover the entire standard size chart on demand, with renewable resources, with a one-time cost of enough XP and gold to pay for the Psychic Reformation.

FishAreWet
2010-01-26, 07:20 PM
There was a Kobold with Slight Build, Stoneblessed for Powerful Build, Titan Bloodline for Huge weapons, then Compression and Expansion I think? I don't remember all of it.

olentu
2010-01-26, 07:31 PM
Shapechange.

Irreverent Fool
2010-01-26, 11:11 PM
Pun-Pun

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Person_Man
2010-01-27, 04:05 PM
There was a Kobold with Slight Build, Stoneblessed for Powerful Build, Titan Bloodline for Huge weapons, then Compression and Expansion I think? I don't remember all of it.

Stoneblessed does not grant Powerful Build. If you take the Goliath path, it grants Toughness and a bunch of Skill related things.

Optimystik
2010-01-27, 04:35 PM
Shapechange.

This wins, because a focus is not consumable.

faceroll
2010-01-27, 05:12 PM
Half-Minotaur Goliath is large with powerful build (so huge). Be anything 4/psychic warrior 3 with practiced manifester. Manifest Expansion for 7 pp. You are gargantuan, and with powerful build, are treated as colossal for some things. Possible at ECL 9.

Alternatively, goliath wu jen + giant size.

Person_Man
2010-01-28, 10:24 AM
Hmmm.... I have the sudden urge to make a Hank Pym build.