making multiattack awesome.

[Wyvern_55]

I am starting a new game rather soon, and one of the characters wishes to be a fighter creature with many natural attacks (one primary and 3 secondary.)
He has asked for my help in making it awesome, but I would like to get the opinions of the playgrounders. Should things that take two weapon fighting as a requisite be usable on this build? is there any way to get full STR to any of the secondary attacks?

What would the playground recommend?

[Runestar]

A totemist from magic of incarnum. Extra points if you make it a warforged or dragonblooded for the extra natural attacks.

[KellKheraptis]

Elan base race lets you snag Rapidstrike and Improved Rapidstrike on top of that :D

[Soranar]

bloodclaw master (tome of battle PrC) has a thing that let's you have full strength on all secondary attacks (works with natural attacks)

and TWF is completely different than multiattack since multiattack has no Dex requirement or BAB requirement

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Druid gets you lots of nat attacks. :smallwink:

Or go with Kobold Rogue. Or Shifter. Really, there's a bunch of options.

[Eldariel]

Totemist/Warblade/Bloodclaw Master is a really nice Claw-build. Hell, you could fit Barbarian and Totem Rager if you feel so inclined, but the basic idea is very, very solid.

And yeah, Wildshapers are the other big one. There are upwards to 5 natural weapons available on some creatures and that's before turning to alternative options like Aberration Wildshape (Moonbeast and its...12? tentacles for example).

[Lycanthromancer]

Psychic warriors can get quite a few:

2 claws (claws of the beast), 8 tentacles (form of doom and 4 Illithid Grapple feats), and 12 bites (psicrystal/metamorphosis/12-headed hydra), with an additional 2 claws and 4 tentacles if you share claws of the beast with your psicrystal and give it those same 4 IG feats. All this for 2 self-buffs and 1 buff exclusively on your psicrystal (forgo 5 of those bite attacks and you can have a 7-headed hydra for the price of a psychoactive skin of proteus).

If you want to forgo the claws, you can dual-wield, say, lances on a pouncing charge (with a dancing lance to the side and an animated shield to bash).

Alternately, skip form of doom and share metamorphosis between yourself and your psicrystal, for 24 bites, 8 tentacles, and 4 claws in one round, between you and your buddy.

...That's a lot of attacks per round, and you can very likely hit with all of them. Given some of the awesome buffs psywars have (and some of the great equipment they have access to), you can make each one do considerable damage.

We have yet to get into expansion, Power Attack, Shock Trooper, Leap Attack, Spirited Charge, or any other forms of damage improvements.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Totemist/Warblade/Bloodclaw Master is a really nice Claw-build. Hell, you could fit Barbarian and Totem Rager if you feel so inclined, but the basic idea is very, very solid.

And yeah, Wildshapers are the other big one. There are upwards to 5 natural weapons available on some creatures and that's before turning to alternative options like Aberration Wildshape (Moonbeast and its...12? tentacles for example).Frostburn gave us Frozen Wildsape. Not a great feat, given that there's very few cold-subtype monsters to turn into. However, there is the Cyrohydra. Fast-healing, Combat Reflexes, and a 3d6*level Frost Breath, none of which are SLAs or SU.

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:smallbiggrin:

[Lycanthromancer]

Frostburn gave us Frozen Wildsape. Not a great feat, given that there's very few cold-subtype monsters to turn into. However, there is the Cyrohydra. Fast-healing, Combat Reflexes, and a 3d6*level Frost Breath, none of which are SLAs or SU.

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:smallbiggrin:Unfortunately, "breath weapons are Supernatural Abilities unless otherwise noted (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#breathWeapon)."

You'll have to have Assume Supernatural Ability (Breath Weapon), Metamorphic Transfer (super special awesome sexy ultra special transformation sequence psychic warrior, GO!), or shapechange to make it work.

[FMArthur]

I would probably stick with a base race with lots of natural attacks and modify it with feats, but Wildshape is undoubtedly better. The Deepspawn feat from Lords of Madness gives you two tentacles. The updated kobold racial traits (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) can give kobolds plenty to use (2 claws and a bite, plus the Dragon Tail kobold feat that gives a tail attack).

[Person_Man]

Here's the list of ways to get extra attacks (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7066595). At a low ECL, a variant Kobold Totemist is your best bet for 5+ attacks. At mid levels, your standard Psychic Warrior King of Smack build tends to be superior, thanks to Claws of the Vampire. But nothing really beats Polymorph and Aberration Wild Shape. However, you should check with your DM to see what level of ridiculousness is going to be allowed before you make your build.

[Lycanthromancer]

Metamorphosis is considerably better than polymorph. The former is self-only, but it lets you take forms more than one size-category away (polymorph is hindered by alter self's restrictions on size), it can be manifested on you even if you're not a living creature (and can turn you into another non-living creature), it lets you keep your racial qualities (unlike polymorph, which makes it a LOT more template-friendly, lets warforged keep their composite plating, and so on), and allows you to turn into objects with a hardness of 15 or less for 1 hour/lvl, as well.

Really, the only advantages of polymorph over metamorphosis are that it allows you to take ectoplasmic forms, and can be cast on people other than yourself. That's it.

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Go metamorphosis!

[Eldariel]

Metamorphosis has the problem that you gotta be a manifester to use it and it isn't available before level 5 powers to anyone but Egoist, while Polymorph is available from 4th level spells on to arcanists and divinists with proper domains. Psy Wars in particular take quite damn long to acquire it.

[Lycanthromancer]

Metamorphosis has the problem that you gotta be a manifester to use it and it isn't available before level 5 powers to anyone but Egoist, while Polymorph is available from 4th level spells on to arcanists and divinists with proper domains. Psy Wars in particular take quite damn long to acquire it.Well, research can get it to psions at level 7, and to psychic warriors at level 10 (just 3 levels later). Anyone can pay a psion with psychic chirurgery money to manifest it at level 7 (assuming enough liquidated cash), and mantled warriors (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070214a) can use power stones and dorjes; ardents, of course, can get it by level 7 as well (lower, with Overchannel). Psionic artificers can craft various items of it by level 5.

Really, it's not horribly difficult for any manifester to get it at a reasonable level.

[faceroll]

Psychic warriors can get quite a few:

2 claws (claws of the beast), 8 tentacles (form of doom and 4 Illithid Grapple feats), and 12 bites (psicrystal/metamorphosis/12-headed hydra), with an additional 2 claws and 4 tentacles if you share claws of the beast with your psicrystal and give it those same 4 IG feats. All this for 2 self-buffs and 1 buff exclusively on your psicrystal (forgo 5 of those bite attacks and you can have a 7-headed hydra for the price of a psychoactive skin of proteus).

If you want to forgo the claws, you can dual-wield, say, lances on a pouncing charge (with a dancing lance to the side and an animated shield to bash).

Alternately, skip form of doom and share metamorphosis between yourself and your psicrystal, for 24 bites, 8 tentacles, and 4 claws in one round, between you and your buddy.

...That's a lot of attacks per round, and you can very likely hit with all of them. Given some of the awesome buffs psywars have (and some of the great equipment they have access to), you can make each one do considerable damage.

We have yet to get into expansion, Power Attack, Shock Trooper, Leap Attack, Spirited Charge, or any other forms of damage improvements.

Form of Doom explicitly doesn't stack with metamorphosis.

[Lycanthromancer]

Form of Doom explicitly doesn't stack with metamorphosis.Right, but you can still manifest it on your psicrystal. Read the part you quoted again?

[faceroll]

Right, but you can still manifest it on your psicrystal. Read the part you quoted again?

"Psychic warriors can get quite a few:

2 claws (claws of the beast), 8 tentacles (form of doom and 4 Illithid Grapple feats), and 12 bites (psicrystal/metamorphosis/12-headed hydra), with an additional 2 claws and 4 tentacles if you share claws of the beast with your psicrystal and give it those same 4 IG feats. All this for 2 self-buffs and 1 buff exclusively on your psicrystal (forgo 5 of those bite attacks and you can have a 7-headed hydra for the price of a psychoactive skin of proteus)."

Your use of "and" in a list of things implies that you are including all of them on a psychic warrior that can "get quite a few."

It's ambiguously worded.

[Lycanthromancer]

"Psychic warriors can get quite a few:

2 claws (claws of the beast), 8 tentacles (form of doom and 4 Illithid Grapple feats), and 12 bites (psicrystal/metamorphosis/12-headed hydra), with an additional 2 claws and 4 tentacles if you share claws of the beast with your psicrystal and give it those same 4 IG feats. All this for 2 self-buffs and 1 buff exclusively on your psicrystal (forgo 5 of those bite attacks and you can have a 7-headed hydra for the price of a psychoactive skin of proteus)."

Your use of "and" in a list of things implies that you are including all of them on a psychic warrior that can "get quite a few."

It's ambiguously worded.True. What I meant was he can share claws of the beast with his psicrystal, and can manifest metamorphosis on it to get an additional 2 claw/12 bite attacks. Since he's using his own class features to do so, that nets him additional attacks in whatever sequence he desires.

[Splendor]

Lv 5 Fighter
Lv 10 Dervish
Lv 5 Tempest
Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Deep Spawn (lords of madness)

with 2 Haste Weapons
20/20/20/20/15/15/10/10/5
+2 tentacles 17/17 (11 attacks total)

A thousand cuts (class ability from Dervish)
20/20/20/20/20/20/15/15/15/15/10/10/10/10/5/5
+2 tentacles 17/17 (18 attacks total)

now add that to the Skin of Proteus and become a dark tentacles (MM2) which normally gets 12 attacks per round and arm him with slashing weapons. Then use A thousand cuts.
20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/15/15/15/15/10/10/10/10/5/5
+2 tentacles 20/20 - thanks to new Enhanced multiweapon fighting (28 attacks total)

Then throw on 10 more weapons of speed and a haste spell when using A thousand cuts.
20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/15/15/15/15/10/10/10/10/5/5
+2 tentacles 20/20/20 (haste)
(39 attacks total)


Non Standard races:
Kobolds have a bite attack would add +1 attack (+0 LA)
Phanatons have a bite attack would add +1 attack (+0 LA)

[Thurbane]

The Practiced Binder feat allows you to bind Amon, who grants a ram attack that does 1d6 + 1.5 x STR bonus damage.

[Demons_eye]

Elan base race lets you snag Rapidstrike and Improved Rapidstrike on top of that :D

Where can you find these feats?

[Flickerdart]

Thri-Kreen have, for 2 RHD and 1 LA, five natural attacks right off the bat. Tauric Thri-Kreen Medium Monstrous Scorpions have 5 RHD, 1 LA, 6 claws, a bite and a tail stinger. It's not as crazy as you can get with PsyWars or Totemists, but it's certainly more entertaining. Also, you make free sleep and constitution poisons, which is nice.

[olentu]

Where can you find these feats?

Draconomicon I believe.