Reincarnate on half-dragons and other non-humanoids

[Otodetu]

Okay, reincarnate on half dragons, a half dragon has the dragon type, the reincarnate spell brings you back as the same type as you where previously, what happens?

A: it comes back as a young adult true dragon (and have potentiality gained enormous power)

B: it comes back as something with the dragon type; like a wyvern or even a true dragon. (still having gained quite a lot)

C: it comes back as normal with reincarnate, but with the half dragon template.

Add at least a sentence of reasoning for your answer.

And can someone link to existing reincarnate lists for non-humanoids in general? If such lists have been made at all that is.

[Stompy]

C, because it is the simplest way to do it. Of course this is a RAI argument though. :smallsmile: Otherwise, you would have to find/make a list for dragons. This way at least doesn't swing your power level willy-nilly.

[Scoot]

From what I can tell, you would come back as a random creature of the Dragon Type. You would have to make a table for it.

Why? Because you're now officialy of the Dragon Type, not a Humanoid. By the Reincarnate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/reincarnate.htm) spell, you're supposed to make a new table.

Although as a DM I would rule that it depends on how they obtained the template, and the exact proportion of humanoid/dragon in them.

Edit: So, B.

[Otodetu]

A mate of mine have suggested ignoring the whole new table thing, and let reincarnate be a humanoid target only spell, just adding any old template to the new creature.


This way you don't have to make unbalanced tables for magical beasts, aberrations, dragons, and giants.

[Starbuck_II]

Okay, reincarnate on half dragons, a half dragon has the dragon type, the reincarnate spell brings you back as the same type as you where previously, what happens?

A: it comes back as a young adult true dragon (and have potentiality gained enormous power)

B: it comes back as something with the dragon type; like a wyvern or even a true dragon. (still having gained quite a lot)

C: it comes back as normal with reincarnate, but with the half dragon template.

Add at least a sentence of reasoning for your answer.

And can someone link to existing reincarnate lists for non-humanoids in general? If such lists have been made at all that is.

A or B. the Template does give type. You can't gain a template from the spell (so I'd assume you could lose it).
You might even be a 1/2 Dragon Dragon (but can't be same type no red + 1/2 red).

But note even as a young adult: you don't have the Racial HD. You don't change HD (no Dragon HD). Only class HD remain.
You'd just have breath weapon (damage would stay same but not Save as that depends on HD), NA, resistances (or immunity), etc.

You'd gain Physical bonuses (and minuses), but no change to mental (which can be good or bad as Whites are dumb).

[Otodetu]

So no-one else sees the many issues with casting reincarnate on a creature with another type than humanoid?

[Starbuck_II]

Well, remember you can't choose so it is all luck.

[faceroll]

So no-one else sees the many issues with casting reincarnate on a creature with another type than humanoid?

Is it a PC?
If so, make them use the table in the book.
Problem solved.

Is it an NPC? Are you the DM?
If yes to both, make it whatever you want.

[Otodetu]

Is it a PC?
If so, make them use the table in the book.
Problem solved.

Is it an NPC? Are you the DM?
If yes to both, make it whatever you want.

None. It is simply a discussion regarding a spell and it's effect on the game-world.

[Glimbur]

Well, remember you can't choose so it is all luck.

Sort of true. There's a Druid spell called Last Breath in Spell Compendium, which reincarnates without level loss. You have to cast it the round after the target dies, but if you're repeatedly killing yourself to get the "right" result on the reincarnate table... this does get expensive in GP though.

[Otodetu]

Sort of true. There's a Druid spell called Last Breath in Spell Compendium, which reincarnates without level loss. You have to cast it the round after the target dies, but if you're repeatedly killing yourself to get the "right" result on the reincarnate table... this does get expensive in GP though.

The problem comes when casting the spell on a non-humanoid. It is impossible to make a list that makes sense power-wise.

While all the humanoids (and true dragons) are somewhat similar, giants and magical beasts are not...

[Fishy]

Unless I'm reading it wrong, a Half-Dragon Human actually has the type [Dragon, Augmented Humanoid], so there's that, if it helps.

Doesn't solve the problem of what to do with Elans, although you could just steal from the Eberron rules for Reincarnation (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20051024a) and have them come back as a random humanoid, with Elan if they roll Human on the table.

[Starbuck_II]

Sort of true. There's a Druid spell called Last Breath in Spell Compendium, which reincarnates without level loss. You have to cast it the round after the target dies, but if you're repeatedly killing yourself to get the "right" result on the reincarnate table... this does get expensive in GP though.

Maruts attack if reviving is used too often.

Now 20 times is no problem, but this continual thing might alert them.
Remember this line:
Those who use magic to reverse death aren’t worthy of a marut’s attention unless they do so repeatedly or on a massive scale.

[Triaxx]

Two options.

A) Rule that it doesn't work that way.

B) Use only the base creature for the chart, and then re-apply the template. It's not like there's not a half-dragon everything already.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

There is no RAW answer. Just ask the PC which what they want to be (let them have fun :smallsigh:)

[Curmudgeon]

There is no RAW answer.
Of course there is a RAW answer; it just requires work by the DM to implement.
For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created.

[Slayn82]

Maruts attack if reviving is used too often.

Now 20 times is no problem, but this continual thing might alert them.
Remember this line:
Those who use magic to reverse death aren’t worthy of a marut’s attention unless they do so repeatedly or on a massive scale.

Better never make that so granted, or people will find it an convenient way of summoning Maruts.

[Splendor]

I kinda like the idea from eberron.

You cannot be reincarnated as a warforged, although a warforged can be reincarnated as a member of another race. Kalashtar are not on the list, but if this table generates a result of "human" when used on a kalashtar spirit, the character will instead return as a kalashtar. this is because his kalashtar spirit will rebond with his new human form.

Since warforged are living constructs (and not normal constructs) they are reincarnated as humanoids (and not warforged or constructs). Then a half dragon (so long as the other half is humanoid) is a augmented humanoid and would be reincarnated as a humanoid also (and not a dragon or even half dragon).

[Je dit Viola]

Or, you could roll the 'humanoid' half, and then roll the 'dragon' half seperately. So, then you'll be going from half-human half-red dragon into a half-dwarf half-black dragon.

[Mongoose87]

Or, you could roll the 'humanoid' half, and then roll the 'dragon' half seperately. So, then you'll be going from half-human half-red dragon into a half-dwarf half-black dragon.

This sound like a fun idea.