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Myou
2010-02-10, 06:15 PM
Assuming you're making a new character, who gets to take one and only one PrC, which would it be and why? You can be any class, and any power level, but obviously if the class and PrC are too weak then you're unlikely to have as much fun in a party of well-made characters.

drengnikrafe
2010-02-10, 06:17 PM
If I was in a really CN mood, I may well take the homebrewed Drunken Master that improves Monk (rather than doing whatever it wants to). Then, I'd try to optimze it enough to put it on par with the rest of the group. That would be fun, I think.

GenPol
2010-02-10, 06:18 PM
Probably Dracolexi for my Kobold Sorcerer. I love the fluff, and with a good DM, the words of power can be a lot of fun.

The kensei PrC intrigues me a little, but I've never played it.

DragoonWraith
2010-02-10, 06:18 PM
I think the Malconvoker makes a very strong case, personally. Though it also benefits from taking several other PrCs (Master Specialist, Sacred Exorcist, Paragnostic Apostle, Archmage), a Focused Conjurer with Rapid Summoning and Enhanced Summoning can do well with it.

Myou
2010-02-10, 06:20 PM
Probably Dracolexi for my Kobold Sorcerer. I love the fluff, and with a good DM, the words of power can be a lot of fun.

The kensei PrC intrigues me a little, but I've never played it.

I've never even heard of that one, what does it do?

The Dark Fiddler
2010-02-10, 06:23 PM
Eternal Blade. You get a floating sphere following you everywhere. And it can manifest into humanoid form.

Great form at parties.

fryplink
2010-02-10, 06:30 PM
bard 7/sublime chord 10 , bard spells and scor spells, letting you cast 9th level scor/wiz spells before the scor or wiz do... now my DM lets me switch out spells at every level up (as opposed to one spell every few level)

its powerful, its not batman or Codzilla, but fun, can do anything with proper spell selection (plus UMD as a class skill to fill in holes) having mass-cures and the disintegrate before their respective classes do (tho you have to pick one or the other)

mix that with that bardic music meta-magic feat (whose name eludes me) and you have good times

Mongoose87
2010-02-10, 06:32 PM
I like Wild Mage because, with a little effort, you can have a pretty awesome table of random effects for your Reckless Dweomer.

Optimystik
2010-02-10, 06:37 PM
I've never even heard of that one, what does it do?

Dracolexi is in Races of the Dragon, and it's based around a character (Bard or Sorcerer) that learns how to speak draconic the way that ancient dragons spoke it long ago, thus invoking their arcane abilities.

My favorite is probably Anima Mage - all the RP and mechanical fun of Binding, plus a boatload of arcane (or even psionic!) power.

tahu88810
2010-02-10, 06:40 PM
Blood Magus
or maybe Nightmare Spinner
or maybe Effigy Master
or maybe Flesh Warper

GenPol
2010-02-10, 06:41 PM
I've never even heard of that one, what does it do?


Dracolexi is in Races of the Dragon, and it's based around a character (Bard or Sorcerer) that learns how to speak draconic the way that ancient dragons spoke it long ago, thus invoking their arcane abilities.

Yeah, what he said. :smalltongue:

EDIT: Or were you asking about a kensei? A kensei basically chooses one weapon, and strives to obtain complete mastery over it.

Asheram
2010-02-10, 06:54 PM
For the moment, I'm thinking about a backup character for a desert campaign.
Sorcerer base, and then Sandshaper...

One really shouldn't overlook the opportunity to play Imhotep. ;)

herrhauptmann
2010-02-10, 06:55 PM
2 PrC's I've been wanting to actually use in a fight.
1-Swiftblade.
2-Witchslayer with mageslayer feats. Made a character like this, but only played one day, two fights. Never got to use my witchslayer or mageslayer abilities. :(

Demons_eye
2010-02-10, 07:13 PM
Loremaster

Gnaeus
2010-02-10, 07:14 PM
Chameleon.

Huge range of spells. With a base casting class you can craft almost anything without wasting a feat. With a base ToB class you can pick different stances or maneuvers every day.

BenTheJester
2010-02-10, 07:19 PM
Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil, because being invincible is awesome

Dread Witch: I love taking that with my fear focused Hexblade. Take that Mr Mcpaladinface.

Fiend of Possession is fun too. You get to play as something different anytime you feel like it.

Lycanthromancer
2010-02-10, 07:23 PM
My personal favorite is the 3.5 Constructor. A shaper/constructor is only beaten by an illusionist/master illusionist/shadowcraft mage for sheer versatility.

Beyond that, thrallherd, if you do it right. I like turning my thrallherds into unwilling necromancers. Hooray for respawning undead thralls!

Frosty
2010-02-10, 07:26 PM
For flavor, a Shugenja that multiclasses into Blood Magus after convincing the DM to let divine casters qualify.

Dimers
2010-02-10, 07:42 PM
A divine champion (CD) seems like a pretty flavorful choice, and with the right domain selection and/or a liberal DM, it can be quite powerful too.

Beelzebub1111
2010-02-10, 07:53 PM
Hidecarved dragon...What?

okay, okay, if this is for a PC race/class, I really like dragon prophet. I'd probably go wizard or sorcerer, probably the latter, taking Falazure, Io, Garyx, Tamara, and Tiamat.

Assassin89
2010-02-10, 08:03 PM
I would use a wizard or sorcerer and go into Master Transmogrifist (CA). With carefully chosen forms, one can be a beast in melee combat.

DragoonWraith
2010-02-10, 08:13 PM
bard 7/sublime chord 10 , bard spells and scor spells, letting you cast 9th level scor/wiz spells before the scor or wiz do... now my DM lets me switch out spells at every level up (as opposed to one spell every few level)

its powerful, its not batman or Codzilla, but fun, can do anything with proper spell selection (plus UMD as a class skill to fill in holes) having mass-cures and the disintegrate before their respective classes do (tho you have to pick one or the other)

mix that with that bardic music meta-magic feat (whose name eludes me) and you have good times
You need to be level 10 to meet Sublime Chord's prereqs (requires 13 ranks in a couple of skills), so you'd have to do Bard 10/Sublime Chord 10.

Pyro_Azer
2010-02-10, 08:14 PM
Silver Key. I like the fact that you cannot keep a silver key out of anywhere.

"How did you walk into my mordenkaiden's magnificent mansion?!?"
"Um... the front door was unlocked?"

Optimystik
2010-02-10, 08:19 PM
You need to be level 10 to meet Sublime Chord's prereqs (requires 13 ranks in a couple of skills), so you'd have to do Bard 10/Sublime Chord 10.

Or Bard X/Something Y/Sublime Chord Z

Like the Eldritch Chord build that gets 9ths and Dark invocations

Lycanthromancer
2010-02-10, 08:25 PM
Or Bard X/Something Y/Sublime Chord Z

Like the Eldritch Chord build that gets 9ths and Dark invocations

Well, you can always do sublime chord 1/spellcasting PrC 5 (or 9), using the latter to expound upon the former. Not too many reasons to take sublime chord 10, after all.

subject42
2010-02-10, 08:27 PM
I like the warforged juggernaut. We played a one-shot once that involved a chase through a shanty town. I just went on a beeline through the houses screaming "OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH YEEEEAAAAAH" until we caught him.

Thrawn183
2010-02-10, 08:30 PM
Assassin... what?

elonin
2010-02-10, 08:32 PM
Not that I've ever played one but the frenzied berserker sounds like a lot of fun. I've also built toward exemplars, occult slayers, and dervishes.

herrhauptmann
2010-02-10, 08:35 PM
Careful on those FB's. They're party killers unless your allies are willing to invest in something to help slow you down after a fight.
Rogue with hamstring, Cleric preparing calm emotions...

Fishy
2010-02-10, 08:36 PM
Fiendbinder. As a class feature, you get a succubus harem.

SilverStar
2010-02-10, 08:37 PM
Incantatrix for me. I love metamagic'ing other peoples' stuff, my own stuff.... and maybe, just maybe, I might get to actually use my snatch spell class feature. :smallannoyed:

Amphetryon
2010-02-10, 08:44 PM
Fochlucan Lyrist. Versatility and enough power for a variety of gaming styles, depending on how I got to that point.

Dr Bwaa
2010-02-10, 08:57 PM
Sentinel of Bharrai. Cavalry of Dire Bears. What's not to like? :smallbiggrin:

Also, I think Devoted Defender can be a really fun (if unoptimized) PrC with the right party dynamic.

KellKheraptis
2010-02-10, 08:59 PM
Incantatrix for me. I love metamagic'ing other peoples' stuff, my own stuff.... and maybe, just maybe, I might get to actually use my snatch spell class feature. :smallannoyed:

Incantatrix for the win. "Oh, you're all jealous that your Mr. Big N. Scary got dropped to the strength of a kitten? -CHAIN- Here, share the love!"

"Hey hey Mr. Cheater of Mystra, I like those...they're mine now."

"Gee, what ever shall we do with this Elemental Monolith breathing down our thr-breathing down their throats? Tea, anyone?"

-AftS nuke- "Next!"

"I sure wish he wouldn't laugh like that when he's doing his oogey-boogey..."
~The last dwarf to adventure with Kell, in particular in the Cormyr region of Faerun.

SilverStar
2010-02-10, 09:01 PM
Incantatrix for the win. "Oh, you're all jealous that your Mr. Big N. Scary got dropped to the strength of a kitten? -CHAIN- Here, share the love!"

"Hey hey Mr. Cheater of Mystra, I like those...they're mine now."

"Gee, what ever shall we do with this Elemental Monolith breathing down our thr-breathing down their throats? Tea, anyone?"

-AftS nuke- "Next!"

"I sure wish he wouldn't laugh like that when he's doing his oogey-boogey..."
~The last dwarf to adventure with Kell, in particular in the Cormyr region of Faerun.

Let us adventure together and rid the Realms of all its evil.

Shar, you're goin' DOWN.:smallcool:

Dusk Eclipse
2010-02-10, 09:30 PM
My favorite PRG class must be hellfire warlock and.... Ninja Spy so what???

DragoonWraith
2010-02-10, 09:33 PM
Fiendbinder. As a class feature, you get a succubus harem.
Ugh. There are few PrCs that just... bother me more than Fiendbinder. You get to spend 10 levels, with 7/10 spell casting, to pay money for the privilege of an effect that is strictly weaker than Planar Binding. Gee, thanks.

Raiki
2010-02-10, 09:43 PM
Well damn, Lycanthromancer and Assassin took mine.

Thrallherd is an amazingly flavorful class that actually has some use, it's the best of both worlds.

And Master Transmographist? Well let's see. Let's take the most versatile spell ever made and make a prestige class that makes it even more awesome. Win.

~R~

Drakevarg
2010-02-10, 09:47 PM
Hrm... I'm thinking Bloodhound, but I'll be honest; I've never played a 3.5 campaign long enough to actually play as a prestige class.

Vortling
2010-02-10, 10:10 PM
Bloodstorm Blade. Because nothing says awesome like chucking greatswords at your enemies.

Lycanthromancer
2010-02-10, 10:15 PM
Bloodstorm Blade. Because nothing says awesome like chucking greatswords at your enemies.Combine with soulknife/kensai for additional yum.

elonin
2010-02-10, 10:16 PM
Careful on those FB's. They're party killers unless your allies are willing to invest in something to help slow you down after a fight.
Rogue with hamstring, Cleric preparing calm emotions...

How else would you be able to take down the bbeg and then accomplish a tpk in the same fight?

Also thinking about the fiendbinder with the succubus harem, that sounds like a good way to become a normal farmer (level drain). Really cool but not good for adventurers.

Occasional Sage
2010-02-10, 10:17 PM
Suel Arcanamach. No question.

NEO|Phyte
2010-02-10, 10:19 PM
Bloodstorm Blade. Because nothing says awesome like chucking greatswords at your enemies.
I came here to post this, you big meany.

kemmotar
2010-02-10, 10:24 PM
Doppelganger mindspy, or since mindspy is really half a PrC changeling cabinet trickster/mindspy...take playing with other people's minds to a whole new level.

Not very optimized but could be hella funny to play.

arguskos
2010-02-10, 10:29 PM
I feel silly, but uh, I like any dual-casting PrC, especially Mystic Theurge. I've been in love with the Shadowcaster recently, especially the Wizard/Shadowcaster/Noctumancer/Mystic Theurge build. I can do it with just Noctu or Mystic and be happy though.

DragoonWraith
2010-02-10, 10:32 PM
I actually agree with you; Eldritch Theurge is my particular dual-progression class of choice, personally.

Dusk Eclipse
2010-02-10, 10:35 PM
I actually agree with you; Eldritch Theurge is my particular dual-progression class of choice, personally.

Eldritch Theurge is the Warlock Arcane Caster theurge right? I have yet to play one but on paper it seems hell of a lot of fun.

Also the Divine version sounds nice.

Tinydwarfman
2010-02-10, 10:36 PM
Eternal Blade. You get a floating sphere following you everywhere. And it can manifest into humanoid form.

Great form at parties.

Hey, Listen!
Hey, Listen!
Hey, Listen!
ll/\
/\/\

redlock
2010-02-10, 10:39 PM
Dragon disciple for me. Flight is just way too cool to pass up.

DragoonWraith
2010-02-10, 10:48 PM
Eldritch Theurge is the Warlock Arcane Caster theurge right? I have yet to play one but on paper it seems hell of a lot of fun.

Also the Divine version sounds nice.
The Divine version I found kind of disappointing, compared to the Arcane one.

Bibliomancer
2010-02-10, 10:49 PM
Ugh. There are few PrCs that just... bother me more than Fiendbinder. You get to spend 10 levels, with 7/10 spell casting, to pay money for the privilege of an effect that is strictly weaker than Planar Binding. Gee, thanks.

On the other hand, their class feature can at least pretend to be balanced, and might be allowed by a sane DM.


Dragon disciple for me. Flight is just way too cool to pass up.

Then you'll love this third level spell from the PHB...

Personally, I'd go with loremaster or archmage, sine I like playing wizards, although escalation mage from the Faiths of Eberron seems to be a balanced form of incantatrix.

Weezer
2010-02-10, 10:54 PM
I'd say Master of Many Forms, turning into pretty much anything at all is just amazingly fun. Also with good form/buff choice its very effective as a melee brute.

martyrX
2010-02-10, 10:59 PM
I like Wild Mage because, with a little effort, you can have a pretty awesome table of random effects for your Reckless Dweomer.

Definitely my choice for most fun as well. For extra fun, our group added in most of the old rules from the 2nd edition tome of magic. Having to roll D20 for wild surge whenever you cast any spell is great fun, and leads to crazy side effects. The wild mage in my party leaves wyvern tracks when he walks, has a crazy red bulging eye and has to be slapped awake each morning. Surges have hit our entire party as well, in the form of fireball, gender switching, getting really itchy, etc., etc. (there have been many).

On the flipside, Nahal's Reckless Dwoemer has saved our butts on a number of occasions, and his encounter with a deck of many things was a true sight to behold (he pulled 4 GREAT cards).

go wild mage!

absolmorph
2010-02-10, 11:05 PM
Bloodstorm Blade. Because nothing says awesome like chucking greatswords at your enemies.
What about throwing your FISTS at them?

herrhauptmann
2010-02-10, 11:11 PM
What about throwing your FISTS at them?

What was the name of that guy from Street Fighter 2 who would stretch his arms out to hit people from across the screen?

Dusk Eclipse
2010-02-10, 11:15 PM
What was the name of that guy from Street Fighter 2 who would stretch his arms out to hit people from across the screen?

Dhallsim? (don't remember how it is spelled) the shaman-esque guy.

Nerocite
2010-02-10, 11:17 PM
Hulking Hurler: Because you can throw the moon.

Gralamin
2010-02-10, 11:22 PM
Initiate of the Seven Folded Veil. Because making the group so invincible that the Fighter can take on everything alone is it's own reward. :smallbiggrin:

Dr.Epic
2010-02-11, 03:15 AM
Warshaper because I could grow claws, and fangs, and horns.

Siegel
2010-02-11, 04:21 AM
Master of the unseen Hand

man i dream about having telekintec powers...

Drascin
2010-02-11, 04:30 AM
Jade Phoenix Mage. Because it has the coolest capstone ever. You get to explode.

Completely surrounded? Explode. Need those d6 of damage now? Explode. Low on HP and cleric out of reach? Explode. About to explode? Explode.

And then you get reformed a week later, fully healed.

Pluto
2010-02-11, 04:43 AM
Scarlet Corsair is the first class to swash buckles as they were meant to be swashed.

It's still my favorite way to fill that role.

Grumman
2010-02-11, 05:02 AM
And then you get reformed a week later, fully healed.
1d6 rounds later, actually. Otherwise you'd probably reform to discover the rest of the party left you behind.

lord_khaine
2010-02-11, 05:44 AM
Jade Phoenix Mage. Because it has the coolest capstone ever. You get to explode.

Completely surrounded? Explode. Need those d6 of damage now? Explode. Low on HP and cleric out of reach? Explode. About to explode? Explode.

And then you get reformed a week later, fully healed.

I agree, arcane magic, maneuvers and the ability to explode? priceless!

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 06:38 AM
The Divine version I found kind of disappointing, compared to the Arcane one.

The divine version is godly (natch :smalltongue:) with Ur-Priest.


Jade Phoenix Mage. Because it has the coolest capstone ever. You get to explode.

Completely surrounded? Explode. Need those d6 of damage now? Explode. Low on HP and cleric out of reach? Explode. About to explode? Explode.

And then you get reformed a week later, fully healed.

It's "kill it with fire" taken to the logical extreme.




Or should I say EXTREEEEEEEEME!!!!

Grumman
2010-02-11, 06:45 AM
It's "kill it with fire" taken to the logical extreme.

Or should I say EXTREEEEEEEEME!!!!
An Ardent Dilettante can do the same thing, with Phoenix Fire. But instead of doing it once per week, they can do it ten or so times per day.

Morithias
2010-02-11, 06:49 AM
Two Words: Merchant Prince.

Ever seen a build that you had to do algebra to work? This one takes it but it pays off big time in the end.

At level 20 after a year's build up your monthly profit would be over one trillion gold pieces assuming you max/mined it properly.

Level 20 wizard? I'm pretty sure with one trillion gp you could buy an item to negate most if not all of his spells. Or at least buy an Epic construct or something.

My favorite cause it's broken something no one ever thought would be of any use in Dnd. (Seriously how many of your PC's actually take "profession" as a skill?)

onthetown
2010-02-11, 06:53 AM
I haven't played it yet, but I'm learning to love Anima Mage. It's the only actual PrC that's ever caught my eye, since I usually prefer gestalting or multiclassing.

Farlion
2010-02-11, 06:54 AM
Cragtop Archer - I like the Fluff


and launching a freeking artillery barrage at your enemies from atop a mountain rocks as well!!!! :smallbiggrin:

Cheers,
Farlion

potatocubed
2010-02-11, 07:32 AM
Noctumancer.

Mostly because I love shadowcasters, and I love the noctumancer art (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ToMagic_Gallery/96086.jpg).

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 07:39 AM
Noctumancer.

Mostly because I love shadowcasters, and I love the noctumancer art (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ToMagic_Gallery/96086.jpg).

All the Shadowcaster PrC art is great.

The Truenamer PrCs all look constipated. :smallfrown:

Drascin
2010-02-11, 07:51 AM
All the Shadowcaster PrC art is great.

The Truenamer PrCs all look constipated. :smallfrown:

If you had to deal with your only powers being so arbitrarily nerfed and unusable, you'd also look like that :smallbiggrin:.

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 07:56 AM
If you had to deal with your only powers being so arbitrarily nerfed and unusable, you'd also look like that :smallbiggrin:.

Not to mention - your power source is tongue twisters. And no matter how much you practice, you get worse at doing them as you level. And despite nobody else in the universe being able to exploit this power, no other class cares because they're better off than you are.

*cries*

Xenogears
2010-02-11, 09:39 AM
For flavor, a Shugenja that multiclasses into Blood Magus after convincing the DM to let divine casters qualify.

Maho-Tsukai (From OA) has pretty similar flavour and doesn't care what type of caster you are.

For my pick It'd be a War Hulk. Lvl 1o in that PrC at Collossal Size wielding a Spiked Chain. Plus Aberrent Reach and a Long Arm Graft. So thats everything in an 80 ft Circle around me gets hit? Awesome!

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 09:43 AM
A Shugenja Blood Magus? That seems like an odd combination to me.

Xenogears
2010-02-11, 09:53 AM
A Shugenja Blood Magus? That seems like an odd combination to me.

Well it has the same Fluff (AKAIK) as Maho-Tsukai from OA. (Evil, uses blood to lower Metamagic costs, etc. Maho-Tsukai also uses taint.) Maho-Tsukai was written for Shugenja to take in the setting.

Pyro_Azer
2010-02-11, 10:15 AM
Two Words: Merchant Prince.

Ever seen a build that you had to do algebra to work? This one takes it but it pays off big time in the end.

At level 20 after a year's build up your monthly profit would be over one trillion gold pieces assuming you max/mined it properly.

Level 20 wizard? I'm pretty sure with one trillion gp you could buy an item to negate most if not all of his spells. Or at least buy an Epic construct or something.

My favorite cause it's broken something no one ever thought would be of any use in Dnd. (Seriously how many of your PC's actually take "profession" as a skill?)

What book is this in? The PRC index from wotc says PF but I cannot figure out what that is.

DragoonWraith
2010-02-11, 10:16 AM
The divine version is godly (natch :smalltongue:) with Ur-Priest.
It's a cool combo, but the class features are meh, and it loses a level of spellcasting because it's supposed to be "early entry", but the Ur-Priest kind of negates that because you can't take Ur-Priest until after 5 anyway. And a straight Warlock can't qualify for Ur-Priest by 5 anyway, thanks to the Fort Save requirement.

Foryn Gilnith
2010-02-11, 10:19 AM
Chameleon again. Being able to craft any metamagic rod and/or practically any magic item is wonderful.

Andry
2010-02-11, 11:36 AM
Merchant Prince is from Power of faerun

SaintRidley
2010-02-11, 11:55 AM
Hellfire Warlock. Just plain fun.

Aharon
2010-02-11, 12:12 PM
War Weaver - because I got to play it in an insane campaign where 3rd party books were allowed.
There was a feat called Aid Spell that changed Personal to Touch...
It was fun giving all those really good personal buffs to my allies pre-battle :smallbiggrin:

LichPrinceAlim
2010-02-11, 12:40 PM
I have 3:

Rainbow Servant: Taste the Rainbow? :3

Ruby Knight Vindicator: Once ran an All-Undead campaign where I was a Death Knight. I pretty much was a one-man army.

Ur Priest: Seriously? My DM always waives the alignment to "non-good" and I make him regret it every time! Focused Abjurer 3/Ur Priest 10/Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil 7.

Greenish
2010-02-11, 01:18 PM
Merchant Prince is from Power of faerunIt can also be found from the free excerpt on Wizards' page: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060308a&page=4

Breaking the game by being stinky rich does sound rather amusing.


Back on topic, War Mind would be cool if not for the entry requirements. Psychic Warrior as a prestige class. :smallcool:

PlzBreakMyCmpAn
2010-02-11, 03:02 PM
Um no one mentioned Walker In The Wastes. Normally I'd just say IS but I'll mix it up. Because being a Dry Lich at ECL11 is just too awesome not to do.

Sinfire Titan
2010-02-11, 03:17 PM
Soulcaster. Especially with Sanctified/Corrupt spells and the Strongheart Vest soulmeld.

saltythetrain
2010-02-11, 03:53 PM
Warshaper because I could grow claws, and fangs, and horns.

I used to be in a party with a were-polar-bear. The DM let him go into the PrC at first level because "the bear qualifies for it." His human form was essentially useless.

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 04:05 PM
Soulcaster. Especially with Sanctified/Corrupt spells and the Strongheart Vest soulmeld.

Or Subverted Psion/Soul Manifester :smallbiggrin:

(With Ardent entry?)

Sinfire Titan
2010-02-11, 04:13 PM
Or Subverted Psion/Soul Manifester :smallbiggrin:

(With Ardent entry?)

Yeah, Ardent really works well with the PrCs that cost levels.

Lycanthromancer
2010-02-11, 05:12 PM
Yeah, Ardent really works well with the PrCs that cost levels.Except ardents have severe problems with powers known, since taking levels in anything other than ardent ruins their ability to gain additional mantles. I understand why ardents are considered multiclass-friendly, but unfortunately you have to pay out the nose for the privilege.

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 05:25 PM
Except ardents have severe problems with powers known, since taking levels in anything other than ardent ruins their ability to gain additional mantles. I understand why ardents are considered multiclass-friendly, but unfortunately you have to pay out the nose for the privilege.

Pay? They get two mantles at first level, that's already twice as many PK as a Wilder. By level 5 you get two more. How many do you need? :smalltongue:

Just make sure you customize your mantles (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625c) to have 10 powers each and you're golden.

the humanity
2010-02-11, 06:27 PM
Assassin is a fun one.

just not when you start it with a fighter at 16th level >_>

Kobold-Bard
2010-02-11, 06:32 PM
FORCE. MISSILE. MAGE.

How did you get to 4 pages without this most amazing PrC coming up. This is every mage players dream class before they're poisoned by powergaming :smallbiggrin:

Greymane
2010-02-11, 06:38 PM
Fiendbinder. As a class feature, you get a succubus harem.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait.

What?

Where is this is PrC?

Grumman
2010-02-11, 06:43 PM
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait.

What?

Where is this is PrC?
Tome of Magic, apparently. I'll have to look it up.

Kobold-Bard
2010-02-11, 06:43 PM
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait.

What?

Where is this is PrC?

Tome of Magic. It's a Truenamer PrC that can be entered by Wizards as well.

Felyndiira
2010-02-11, 06:47 PM
That'll depend. Am I also with a party of cheese, or is this just a standard roleplay?

If I'm in a cheesed party, incantrix is pretty much a given. It's simple, effective, and builds on my love for spellcasting (nearly every MMO I've played involves me being either a mage or cleric of some sort). Probably will toss twin and chain somewhere in there and throw orb chains for the heck of it - maybe an exploding apocalypse from the sky for the lulz.

If I'm in a normal roleplay, then divine oracle. It's a good prestige class with useful features, but isn't cheesed up to the maximum. It's also a fun class to roleplay, as you now have a reason to make random quips about the stability of other players' lives and muse on their futures. Combine with charisma/diplomacy and make out-of-battle more fun.

Sinfire Titan
2010-02-11, 07:06 PM
FORCE. MISSILE. MAGE.

How did you get to 4 pages without this most amazing PrC coming up. This is every mage players dream class before they're poisoned by powergaming :smallbiggrin:

Because it's 3rd party?

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 07:06 PM
If I'm in a normal roleplay, then divine oracle. It's a good prestige class with useful features, but isn't cheesed up to the maximum. It's also a fun class to roleplay, as you now have a reason to make random quips about the stability of other players' lives and muse on their futures. Combine with charisma/diplomacy and make out-of-battle more fun.

Can't believe I forgot this guy.

Super Initiative, Super Uncanny Dodge, Super Evasion, Super Divinations, a free domain... all without losing a single caster level. I think I creamed my breeches.


Because it's 3rd party?

2.5 party really... It made the cut to Dragon Compendium, which proudly bears the WotC logo.

Felyndiira
2010-02-11, 07:14 PM
Can't believe I forgot this guy.

Super Initiative, Super Uncanny Dodge, Super Evasion, Super Divinations, a free domain... all without losing a single caster level. I think I creamed my breeches.

Am I being targeted by the Spanish inquisition ;_;?

d6 hit dice, 1/2 BAB advancement, with reflex being the cleric's weakest save weakening evasion's usefulness by quite a bit. No persistent divine favor or righteous might (in my case). Super initiative only applies if there is a surprise round in the first place. If uncanny dodge is as game-breakingly broken as suggested, maybe rogues wouldn't be fourth tier, ne?

Honestly, though, please, at least, allow me to express an opinion of some sort in a thread about opinions without [Citation needed]

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 07:27 PM
Am I being targeted by the Spanish inquisition ;_;?

Um, I was agreeing with you that it's a good PrC. But since you want to make this an argument, let's go:


d6 hit dice,

Irrelevant, you're a full caster;


1/2 BAB advancement,

Also irrelevant; (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/divinepower.htm)


with reflex being the cleric's weakest save weakening evasion's usefulness by quite a bit.

Still better than not having it, especially since you continue to gain the benefits even in full plate.


No persistent divine favor or righteous might (in my case).

Fine, but it won't stop me using them;


Super initiative only applies if there is a surprise round in the first place.

Your dex is low, remember? Chances are pretty good.


If uncanny dodge is as game-breakingly broken as suggested, maybe rogues wouldn't be fourth tier, ne?

"Can't be flanked" is good no matter what class you are, but hardly broken. And Rogues are tier 4 for a number of reasons, one of which is that they don't get divine spells.


Honestly, though, please, at least, allow me to express an opinion of some sort in a thread about opinions without [Citation needed]

Maybe you should read my post next time before getting defensive?

Kallisti
2010-02-11, 07:30 PM
Either Drunken Master, for the lulz, or a homebrew class--either the Bound or the Seiškona of the Iron Bands.

Felyndiira
2010-02-11, 07:35 PM
Um, I was agreeing with you that it's a good PrC. But since you want to make this an argument, let's go:

My apologies for the misunderstanding, then. I guess I'm in a foul mood today for some reason, and misread your post as an attack on "it's not a ridiculous cheese class."

I guess I should stop posting and step outside for a moment; dunno why I'm so easy to anger today.

Optimystik
2010-02-11, 07:55 PM
My apologies for the misunderstanding, then. I guess I'm in a foul mood today for some reason, and misread your post as an attack on "it's not a ridiculous cheese class."

I guess I should stop posting and step outside for a moment; dunno why I'm so easy to anger today.

No harm no foul... I've had a long day myself. :smallsmile:

Besides, we have no reason to fight - we both recognize the mechanical and RP awesomeness of the Oracle!

DragoonWraith
2010-02-11, 08:54 PM
Either Drunken Master, for the lulz, or a homebrew class--either the Bound or the Seiškona of the Iron Bands.
...wow. Thanks!