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Loren
2010-02-23, 10:01 AM
If I were to use the adatptive style feat after expending my manuevers would the new ones be refreshed? in other words is this a way to get a tonne of manuevers in any encounter?
Faleldir
2010-02-23, 10:03 AM
Yes. That's why it's a feat tax for Swordsages.
Loren
2010-02-23, 10:08 AM
Excellent :smallbiggrin:
AtwasAwamps
2010-02-23, 10:28 AM
Yes. That's why it's a feat tax for Swordsages.

See, that's the thing. The way its written, I don't see that at ALL. I understand that it's pretty much neccessary to make Swordsages a strong class, but was this its intended purpose? Because it really doesn't look to me like its there in RAW.
hamishspence
2010-02-23, 10:32 AM
It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.
AtwasAwamps
2010-02-23, 10:38 AM
It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.

Ah.

Alrighty then.
Zanatos777
2010-02-23, 10:39 AM
Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
Douglas
2010-02-23, 10:45 AM
Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
You mean repick maneuvers known, not just maneuvers readied? How'd he get that bizarre conclusion out of it?
Kaiyanwang
2010-02-23, 11:02 AM
Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.

Your player needs moar Hecatoncheires.
Sinfire Titan
2010-02-23, 11:09 AM
Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.

o_O



I almost wish...
Otodetu
2010-02-23, 02:58 PM
It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.

Is there a link to a pdf\txt with the info, to persuade cranky dm's?
I have found the forum thread. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19860966/Tome_of_Battle:_CustServ_Q38;A_%28UPDATED_Aug._17% 29)
hamishspence
2010-02-23, 03:02 PM
Link provided:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20060828a

I'm not sure if Ask Wizards counts as FAQ- but its pretty official.
Darkfire
2010-02-23, 04:35 PM
See page 38 of the first FAQ on this page: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a.
Darrin
2010-02-23, 05:01 PM
Also, I believe if you have multiclassed into multipe Martial Adept classes, Adaptive Style allows you to re-ready all of your maneuvers for every class at the same time.
Vortling
2010-02-23, 05:04 PM
o_O



I almost wish...

It wouldn't last. After the second or third time the swordsage player said "I use adaptive style." and then didn't pick the maneuvers until their turn they'd get whacked upside the head and told to use the ones they had previously readied.
Boci
2010-02-23, 05:33 PM
Because it really doesn't look to me like its there in RAW.

Actually it does. It says without this feat it takes 5 minutes, so unless the 5 minute version also does not refresh exspended maneuvers, adaptive style works by RAW.
Sinfire Titan
2010-02-23, 05:39 PM
It wouldn't last. After the second or third time the swordsage player said "I use adaptive style." and then didn't pick the maneuvers until their turn they'd get whacked upside the head and told to use the ones they had previously readied.

Hence the "almost".
Otodetu
2010-02-23, 06:35 PM
See page 38 of the first FAQ on this page: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a.

Thanks to you and the previous posters, I like to have things in order!

This also saved my disgruntled sword-sage player! (He was the weakest in the group...)
faceroll
2010-02-23, 06:42 PM
It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.

So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
Interesting.
Boci
2010-02-23, 06:43 PM
So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
Interesting.

No, FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAI. But as I posted earlier, you do not even need that, it works the better way by default.
Sinfire Titan
2010-02-23, 06:46 PM
So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
Interesting.

No, the FAQ is RIA that CO and some DMs sometimes agrees with.


It isn't as official as errata, despite being supported by WotC. Only use it if you agree with it.
Foryn Gilnith
2010-02-23, 06:46 PM
FAQ is RAW when FAQ is RAW. There's no rule. You can't determine their intersection the way you can determine the intersection of a circle and a parabola.

RAW is hard to pin down, anyway.
FMArthur
2010-02-23, 08:50 PM
It implies it with extreme vagueness. The obviousness of its 'feat tax' status for Swordsages in a book that tries so hard to avoid design flaws (like feat taxes) suggests to me that it was not intended this way. I still use it in the 'complete maneuver refresh' way, though. The RAW is debatable but the RABAF is pretty clear. Rules as balanced and fun.
faceroll
2010-02-23, 09:21 PM
No, FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAI.

No, the FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAW.


Only use it if you agree with it.

Like everything else ever published for D&D.
Boci
2010-02-23, 09:25 PM
No, the FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAW.

And what a coincidence, in the case of adaptive style, FAQ supports RAW, so everyone's happy. Yay.