The Golden Age of Goblin Civilization!

[RedCloakLives!]

I. Introduction

Oppressed by the powerful, victims of genocide, attacked by gangs armed with
deadly weapons (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html), and cunning accounting practices (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0034.html)....

Finally ...

The goblins have worked and fought their way to found a new nation!

It was a long time coming. But much deserved ~ in hindsight, their civilization and culture have shown such brilliance that it now seems inevitable that they would start their own nation.

II. Unity

They began fraught with discord (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0148.html) and disrespect (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0190.html).

But the heat of battle brought them together in unity (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0451.html), as fire melting two metals to fuse into an alloy, stronger than its component parts.

III. The Remarkable Qualities of Goblin Civilization

Here, we discuss their warfare, commerce, culture, science and technology, good governance and civics.

A. Warfare

As individual warriors, we see their valor (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html) and their self-sacrifice (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0436.html). We see their heroism, where they risk themselves for their friends - whether it is the powerful defending the weak (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html), or the weak rushing (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0461.html) to aid their leader.

Their qualities as warriors go far beyond the combative. Simple barbarians, they are not. For they are cultured. We see their civilized refinement in their offer of surrender (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0435.html) to a surrounded enemy. They can also take an intellectual approach, and think their way out (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0459.html) with the best of nerds. McGuyver would approve!

As generals, as leaders, we see their commitment to planning (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0416.html), as well as their understanding of psychology, and application of humor and imagination. And not only on the small scale, but the grand (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0426.html). That maneuver required understanding both their enemies and themselves, and then imagination to formulate a strategy (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0431.html), and forethought and planning to execute it.

B. Commerce

One measure of a civilization is its talent for commerce. And this the goblins have. They are enterprising (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0326.html); they have a sense for commercial opportunities (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0455.html).

C. Culture

Goblin culture is highly advanced - possibly the most advanced of the world's nations.

They love the fine arts. Sculpture (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0660.html), for example. They are well read and enjoy good literature (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0548.html). They bear knowledge (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0368.html) to the world. But they are not strictly superintellectual aesthetes. They are equally at home discussing TV pop culture (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0368.html).

They are very clean (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0082.html) and prefer healthy living (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0432.html). The goblins, ever tolerant and progressive, accept diversity (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0465.html).

And let's not forget - they are fun. They enjoy a good barbecue and humor (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0703.html)!

D. Science and Technology

Science is their domain. Goblin schools teach chemistry, which led to the unprecedented use of titanium (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0423.html) and chlorine (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0457.html) in battle.

Their maintenance engineering safety (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0660.html) practices are quite modern, as well - you can tell it is hobgoblin signage because it is orange.

The goblins are comfortable using technology, from the lowly water cooler (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0090.html) and telescope, to cutting edge high tech surveillance (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0376.html) and recording (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0415.html) devices.

You can be sure that if they wanted sharks (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0541.html) with frikkin laser beams on their heads, they would have them!

E. Good Governance and Civics

Their masterful planning (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0454.html) shows everywhere. Already, they have established a health care system (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0520.html), and an organized police force (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0513.html) with good communications (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0512.html).

Such sound organization (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0543.html) and attention to detail (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0652.html) have doubtless enabled them to establish good foreign relations (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0702.html) in an amazingly short time.

IV. Ideals

A nation founded on ideals! Freedom from tyranny (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0372.html)!

Gobbotopia welcomes all disenfranchised (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0702.html) humanoids! It will be a home for the oppressed, the dispossessed, downtrodden, nerds, geeks, gamers, post-punks, SCAdians, ex-slaves, things in shadows, stone figures, and MOCHA LATTES (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0350.html)!

In generations to come, the gobbotopia flag will be filled with stars, or other symbols. Can such a nation long endure? We shall see ....

The Revolution is Now!

:smallwink:

[Cisturn]

health care you say?

[Draconi Redfir]

i, Gicko Redfir (the scout) herebuy speak for the entire tribe of Redfir bugbears when i say the following:


LONG LIVE REDCLOAK! LONG LIVE GOBBOTOPIAAA!!!!


incidentally we Redfirs would also like to mention that we will not be moveing to gobbotopia untill it has proven it can stand for at least one year. we're a small tribe as it is. we dont want another dozen of us killed when we get there.

shame they dont like elves though. we owe them a lot.

[Dr.Epic]

More like the Goblin Age of Golden Civilization. I'm not sure what that means.

[TriForce]

10g says its gone and forgotten by the end of the comic :) probably sooner

[Wikimaster]

More like the Goblin Age of Golden Civilization. I'm not sure what that means.

Gold Golems sculpted into Goblins building a city made out of the skin, flesh, and bones of Goblinoid races?

To Triforce: I bet 20gp that it won't.

[Dr.Epic]

Gold Golems sculpted into Goblins building a city made out of the skin, flesh, and bones of Goblinoid races?

Um, yeah sure.:smalleek:


To Triforce: I bet 20gp that it won't.

The fact that you both have the same avatar almost makes it like you're betting yourself.

[Wikimaster]

Um, yeah sure.:smalleek:



The fact that you both have the same avatar almost makes it like you're betting yourself.

Oh, yeah, forgot about that.

[Draconi Redfir]

ill join this bet! put me down for 20 gold that Gobbotopia dosent fall!

[TriForce]

i accept the bet ! 20gp on its downfall :P

[veti]

You, RedCloakLives, are so far out of your tree that you lost sight of the forest months ago. I've known some loons in my time, but for sheer embossed gilt-edged drooling insanity, you're up there with the finest. Kudos.

As for Gobbotopia - unless Jirix frees the slaves and champions the cause of human emancipation, my 10gp says it'll be gone by the end of the comic.

[Draconi Redfir]

total poll so far:

40g saying it stands (2 betters)

30g saying it falls. (2 betters)


winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract that amount.

[Bibliomancer]

total poll so far:

40g saying it stands (2 betters)

30g saying it falls. (2 betters)


winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract that amount.

Alternatively, losers must post that amount in their signatures for x period of time. I have a standing bet with pendell over the possible outcome of a O'chul/Belkar duel that will be resolved in that manner if it is ever determined.

[Besyanteo]

Put me down for 20g on Gobbotopia standing. It seems like a long shot, but in most settings the same could be said about Azure City falling to begin with. Also, can we agree that all bets are off if Gobbotopia falls due to Act of Snarl? It's not quite the same as falling due to morale problems and Elven invaders, etc.

[Kish]

Given that one of the features of Gobbotopia is the rift in the sky over it, I'd say that should be something to be taken into account when making bets, for whatever my opinion counts for here. :smalltongue:

[Gift Jeraff]

Given that one of the features of Gobbotopia is the rift in the sky over it, I'd say that should be something to be taken into account when making bets, for whatever my opinion counts for here. :smalltongue:
That just means it gets to expand to that world on the other side of the rift!

100,000 gp on Gobbotopia lasting!

[Belkster11]

To play it safe:

20 gp if Gobbotopia falls, if we consider that the Azurites and the Paladins have to have a good ending.

[Draconi Redfir]

Gift. ill put you down for 20g. reasionable bids please! XD

80g Gobotopia stands (4 pepole) Gicko, Besyanteo, Wikimaster, gift

70g Gobotopia falls (4 pepole) TriForce, veti, Belk, kiwi


so:

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia stands, me, besy, gift and wiki get 37g.

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia falls, Tri, belk, kiwi and vet get 37g.


note: the comic will not end tomorrow, this is just to show the winnings at current. additional bets made in the future not calculated, as they have not yet been made.


edited for ninja posts.

[Gift Jeraff]

To play it safe:

20 gp if Gobbotopia falls, if we consider that the Azurites and the Paladins have to have a good ending.
I personally imagine the inevitable Azurites & elves versus Gobbotopia battle to end in a draw--after Elan gives a rousing speech to the whole campaign world in order to power up Roy's Spirit Bomb against One-Winged Xykon.

Either that or the Azurites just happily settle on that island.

EDIT: I was serious about 100,000 gp on Gobbotopia standing. But fine, I'll settle for 20 gp or whatever the cool kids are doing.

[Elfich]

Sid Meier says that your Golden Civilization will only last 40 turns.

[KiwiImperator]

20g on the fall of goblin civilization. Goblins cannot have nice things, they are cursed with the ill will of the powers that be.

[ThePhantasm]

Gobbotopia will last; the Azurites will be freed but settle elsewhere and build a new city.

[krossbow]

50g xykon makes it his business to see it destroyed at some point (for simple boredom or to be a douche to redcloak), and then it falls.

[Fiery Diamond]

30 gp that it lasts!

[Wikimaster]

i accept the bet ! 20gp on its downfall :P

I thought you were betting that this thread wouldn't last until the next comic comes. Seeing that it had only six posts when you made that bet, it was a reasonable assumption. Anyway, you're on.

[Mystic Muse]

92.4 GP on it standing.

[Draconi Redfir]

be sure you have enough money for these bets on your charicter sheets pepole! gold only please!

200g Gobotopia stands (6 pepole) Gicko, Besyanteo, fiery dimond, Wikimaster, Gift Jeraff, Kyuubi

120g Gobotopia falls (5 pepole) TriForce, veti, Belkster11, KiwiImperator, Krossbow

so:

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia stands, me, besy, Fiery, kyuu, gift and wiki get 53g.

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia falls, Tri, belk, kross, kiwi and vet get 64g.


note: the comic will not end tomorrow, this is just to show the winnings at current. additional bets made in the future not calculated, as they have not yet been made.

[Renegade Paladin]

"Pepole?" :smallconfused:

[Draconi Redfir]

i suck at spelling. suck it up.

[CWater]

30gp that Gobbotopia stands! The Gobbos deserve it!

[Acero]

20gp that it falls. Easy fake money

[Scarlet Knight]

"Pepole?" :smallconfused:

Ah, yes, the "pepole". A traditional goblin tool found in golblin culture for those who dislike the flavor of whipped food. Used to encourage slaves to "show some pep" , to move faster, or "look alive"; although in the last case it is also used to prod an unmoving body to determine life, the pepole provides evil food with a more woody flavor, similar to a club sandwich... :smallwink:

[RedCloakLives!]

Ooo, it's close to 50-50 for:against! It's competitive! The game is on! Excitement! Drama!

So I will add III. F. Heroes

In a fantasy world, a civilization can also be measured by its great heroes.

In addition to The Dark One, the goblins have Red Cloak: Hero for the Ages! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112367)

And soon they will have Jirix: Statesman-Hero for the Ages! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html)

(Well, the narrative may shift away from Gobbotopia, but who knows, maybe Jirix will get his own spin-off!)
:smallwink:

[Dr Bwaa]

Gobbotopia definitely falls.

Reasoning is as follows:
No one except the Goblins themselves think it's a good idea. Xykon is being kept in the dark on purpose.
The OotS knows about it, and knows about the resistance, and will presumably turn back to that matter once it is reasonable to do so.
The Goblins (as a new civilization) will have to face barbarian invasions soon enough.

But the most compelling thought, I think, is the snarl-rift. Either that thing devours Gobbotopia, or the OotS or one of the old epic mages comes back to close the rift again, assumedly destroying Gobbotopia in the process (it's not like they're welcome there).

So 20gp. :smallbiggrin:

[Dr.Epic]

total poll so far:

40g saying it stands (2 betters)

30g saying it falls. (2 betters)


winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract that amount.

:mitd: "I want to bet on "Escapes and lives happily ever after."

[Draconi Redfir]

be sure you have enough money for these bets on your charicter sheets people! gold only please!

230g Gobotopia stands (7 pepole) Gicko, Besyanteo, fiery dimond, Wikimaster, Gift Jeraff, Kyuubi, CWater

160g Gobotopia falls (7 pepole) TriForce, veti, Belkster11, KiwiImperator, Krossbow, Acero, Lordhenry4000

so:

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia stands, me, besy, water, Fiery, kyuu, gift and wiki get 55g.

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia falls, Tri, belk, kross, ace, Lord, kiwi and vet get 55g.


note: the comic will not end tomorrow, this is just to show the winnings at current. additional bets made in the future not calculated, as they have not yet been made.


winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract the amount they bid.

[Exterminatus]

Can we bet in inspiration points?

[Scarlet Knight]

"...If it suddenly ended tomorrow,
I could somehow adjust to the fall,
Good times and riches,
Leaders with liches,
I've seen more than one 'word of recall'..."

:smallwink:

[TriForce]

be sure you have enough money for these bets on your charicter sheets people! gold only please!

winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract the amount they bid.

what character sheet?:)

[Asta Kask]

Are GURP$ legal tender? Or does it have to be D&D money?

[Acero]

We need to make a new thread just for the bet...

[Draconi Redfir]

what character sheet?:)

this bet assumes you have at least one D&D charicter. dunno what to do if you dont have one XD

[Souhiro]

I must agree: The Golden Age of Goblin Civilization will be the Free-XP-Era for low level parties.


If I were a sorcerer, a Wizard or a travelling-prestige-class character, I would gather a few anti-scry items, prepare a lot of Teleport- GreatTeleport spells, and make business teleporting low level parties to gobbotopia, and back into safety.

I'm sure that Jiryx would call it "afordable losses" or something so. Seriously, he don't looks like a leader who could say "Let's go to WAAAAAAR" and make his people follow him.

[Wikimaster]

this bet assumes you have at least one D&D charicter. dunno what to do if you dont have one XD

Use a neuralyzer. That's what i'm planning to do anyway if I lose-oops! you didn't see that! *flash*.

[veti]

I'm sure that Jiryx would call it "afordable losses" or something so. Seriously, he don't looks like a leader who could say "Let's go to WAAAAAAR" and make his people follow him.

From what we've seen of hobgoblin society, I don't think it would take much to persuade them to go to war. The hard part is stopping them.

Gobbotopia's fall might well involve separate tribes/factions within the country taking their defence into their own hands, launching independent counter-attacks against just this kind of raid, and getting wiped out piecemeal. (Not a prediction, just one of many plausible ways in which Gobbotopia could fail if Jirix isn't strong enough to prevent it.)

[Draconi Redfir]

Gobbotopia's fall might well involve separate tribes/factions within the country taking their defence into their own hands, launching independent counter-attacks against just this kind of raid, and getting wiped out piecemeal. (Not a prediction, just one of many plausible ways in which Gobbotopia could fail if Jirix isn't strong enough to prevent it.)


for one reasion or another, this parigraph gave me an immige of a bugbear mafia...

[Souhiro]

I'm sure that Jiryx would call it "afordable losses" or something so. Seriously, he don't looks like a leader who could say "Let's go to WAAAAAAR" and make his people follow him.From what we've seen of hobgoblin society, I don't think it would take much to persuade them to go to war. The hard part is stopping them.
I said that Jiryx is the kind of leader that won't make his people follow him. The gobbos would go to the war, but they won't follow Jiryx, and more important: they wouldn't obbey him. But it seems that we will see some anti-gobbos action, soon.

[RedCloakLives!]

Yes! Goblin Civilization III. B. Commerce (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143176) in the latest comic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0705.html)!

With Goblin Dan's technology, we can feed the world!

Where there is Goblin Dan, there is hope!
:smallwink:

[Asta Kask]

Are GURP$ legal tender? I only have that. I'd use the conversion rate in the Dungeon Fantasy series...

[Draconi Redfir]

horray for goblin Dan!

i vote we ellect Goblin dan for the Economy seat of the Goblin quarter of the high councel.

[slayerx]

i got 30gp on the fall of Gobbotopia...
I really can't standby the slavery at all
no, goblins won't see their golden age through gobbotopia...
Frankly i feel it works better from a storytelling stand point. I mean all of the good reasons for gobbotopia lie in the books not the webcomic... if it was really important to the story that goblins see salvation in gobbotopia, i think Rich would have included more of those sympathetic elements into the webcomic... afterall since not everyone have read the books he should act under the assumption that no one has... in the books he shows us the more sympathic side, but in the webcomic he's mostly only shown us their evil side; azurites seem like the only real victims, and as such the ones most deserving of victory, when you look only at the webcomic... and unless you want to give the readers a negative ending, you don't let the bad guys win...



It will be GOBLIN DAN that ushers in the golden years of the goblins. His all hydra BBQ cuisine will sweep the world. Soon not just the monster races, but the PC's races will be lured in, and when they get a chance to bite into a savory goblin-made hydra burger their gonna say, "man i love goblin dan".... and that's when they start thinking "maybe these goblins ain't all bad"...

that's right the true savior of the goblin race won't be their dark god or redcloak who use war, slavery, and world destroying beings, but Goblin Dan and his hydra burgers... with gouda!

[Draconi Redfir]

be sure you have enough money for these bets on your charicter sheets people! gold only please!

230g Gobotopia stands (7 pepole) Gicko, Besyanteo, fiery dimond, Wikimaster, Gift Jeraff, Kyuubi, CWater

190g Gobotopia falls (8 pepole) TriForce, veti, Belkster11, KiwiImperator, Krossbow, Acero, Lordhenry4000, Slayerx

so:

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia stands, me, besy, water, Fiery, kyuu, gift and wiki get 60g.

if the comic ends tomorrow and Gobotopia falls, Tri, belk, Slay kross, ace, Lord, kiwi and vet get 52g.


note: the comic will not end tomorrow, this is just to show the winnings at current. additional bets made in the future not calculated, as they have not yet been made.


winners get to add their winnings to one of their D&D charicter sheets. losers must subtract the amount they bid.

[JonestheSpy]

I put 50 gp on Gobbotopia standing, but with negative hit points.

Wait, what I actually mean is that Gobbotopia survives, but with a massive prison break freeing the Azurites.

I'd also like to place a 10gp side bet that if the new Goblin nation falls, it will destroyed by Xykon.

[RedCloakLives!]

It will be GOBLIN DAN that ushers in the golden years of the goblins. His all hydra BBQ cuisine will sweep the world. Soon not just the monster races, but the PC's races will be lured in, and when they get a chance to bite into a savory goblin-made hydra burger their gonna say, "man i love goblin dan".... and that's when they start thinking "maybe these goblins ain't all bad"...

that's right the true savior of the goblin race won't be their dark god or redcloak who use war, slavery, and world destroying beings, but Goblin Dan and his hydra burgers... with gouda!

Brilliant!

I must modify III. F. Heroes:

In a fantasy world, a civilization can also be measured by its great heroes.

In addition to The Dark One, the goblins have Red Cloak: Hero for the Ages! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112367)

And soon they will have Jirix: Statesman-Hero for the Ages! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html)

And The Greatest of them all: Goblin Dan: Epic BBQ Chef (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0705.html)!


Goblin Dan took the OOTS' vicious, unprovoked assault on a peaceful animal (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0325.html), and turned it into something good! Goblin Dan brings peace to the world, as his fabulous barbecue provides a forum for all races sit down to break bread together! And any violent reactionaries who still want to fight, even after sharing meals together, well, now they're too fat to move, so peace ensues!

Verily, Goblin Civilization is the Light of the World!
:smallwink:

[Deca]

Well...lets have a look at the odds.

Gobbotopia is currently situated in the ruins of a city that is undermined by resistance forces and the existance of the remaning Azurites, who'll no doubt invade eventually and attempt to reclaim their rightful home. Also, Gobbotopia is also containing a being apparently capable of earthquake inducing strength and seemingly magical abilities. This creature is going to find his free will and escape sooner or later and there will be an awful lot of collateral damage when this happens.

Not to mention that the mere existance of the state is going to piss Xykon off to no end. He just finished telling Redcloak that it was time to stop wasting time in Azure City and go to the next gate. He's not going to be amused when he finds out that Redcloak has decided that a large portion of his goblinoid armies are going to be staying behind and making a life for themselves. He's not going to be amused at all.

And to top things off, it's also situated right below an interdimensional rift that is supposed to contain a godslaying abomination.

I'll put 50gp on Gobbotopia's destruction. I am however, open to the idea that it might rise again in a safer location.

[Snake-Aes]

Well...lets have a look at the odds.

Gobbotopia is currently situated in the ruins of a city that is undermined by resistance forces and the existance of the remaning Azurites, who'll no doubt invade eventually and attempt to reclaim their rightful home. Also, Gobbotopia is also containing a being apparently capable of earthquake inducing strength and seemingly magical abilities. This creature is going to find his free will and escape sooner or later and there will be an awful lot of collateral damage when this happens.

It is unlikely that :mitd: will be such trouble. The Baddies are leaving as soon as the philactery is found.


Not to mention that the mere existance of the state is going to piss Xykon off to no end. He just finished telling Redcloak that it was time to stop wasting time in Azure City and go to the next gate. He's not going to be amused when he finds out that Redcloak has decided that a large portion of his goblinoid armies are going to be staying behind and making a life for themselves. He's not going to be amused at all.

He frankly doesn't care. Moving tens of thousands of hobs is not practical when you want to reach the gates fast. The hobs outlived their usefulness to Xykon. Only the core Team Evil will move(Redcloak, :mitd:, Tsukiko and Xykon).


And to top things off, it's also situated right below an interdimensional rift that is supposed to contain a godslaying abomination.

As far as we can tell, there's no longer a god-killing abomination in that rift. It didn't attack in a whole year, the rift's growth stabilized and that whole place is likely the focus of the adventure after the gates deal.


I'll put 50gp on Gobbotopia's destruction. I am however, open to the idea that it might rise again in a safer location.
I call it even odds. Azurites are settled on the other side of the ocean, so until they can actually act, all Gobbotopia has against it are the resistance people and it's elven associates. To make it worse, a reasonable amount of nations acknowledged Gobbotopia, so there will be some diplomatic trouble if the city is to be re-taken.
If the whole Snarl deal is over, I'll shoot for gobbotopia's success. Otherwise, Azurites retake it.

[RedCloakLives!]

i, Gicko Redfir (the scout) herebuy speak for the entire tribe of Redfir bugbears ....


... be sure you have enough money for these bets on your charicter sheets people! gold only please! ... 230g Gobotopia stands (7 pepole) 190g Gobotopia falls (8 pepole)

Gicko Redfir, a most excellent bugbear! Another example, right under our noses, of the goblin-and-goblinoid talent for organization! Hooray for Gicko Redfir!

I suggest making the wager more interesting - maybe the losers get to petition R.B. to make a Goblin Dan t-shirt for the store? Or a counter-revolution t-shirt?
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[Nimrod's Son]

I suggest making the wager more interesting - maybe the losers get to petition R.B. to make a Goblin Dan t-shirt for the store?
I hate to sound like a party-pooper, but I'm not sure "spamming the author" is the best idea to include as a condition of the bet. :smallwink:

[Bubbles]

Gobbotopia is really big. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0702.html) It does not include Gobbotopia City (Azure City) only.
So I bet 12 bars of gold-pressed latinum that Gobbotopia loses Azure City but does not fall. Freeing Azure City from the hobgoblins is one thing, pursuing them into the mountains and the ends of OOTS-world to completely crush their new nation is another.