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LichPrinceAlim
2010-03-02, 03:08 PM
I realize I recently posted a martial build, but upon rereading, i realize I'm an idiot.

So I have a build request:

Using only:

1 Arcane Caster
2 PrC Classes
and
a 1LA race

I ask for a challenge: FOR GIANT IN THE PLAYGROUND TO CREATE THE MAGE OF HAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the contest ends Friday Morning. Good Luck, as ROB once said...

Wings of Peace
2010-03-02, 04:36 PM
My contribution. (https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQL02a_U0qHgZGN4dGt3ejJfMTQwYzNtZHpmYzM&hl=en) Credit for this build goes in part to the old "The Ultimate Multi-threat" build as it served as inspiration to create this guy,

sofawall
2010-03-02, 04:47 PM
Can we submit old builds someone else made? Because Time Stops through a War Weaver Tapestry are too nice to turn down.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-02, 06:23 PM
Does an arcane caster (separate casting) PrC count as one of the PrCs or are we allowed that and then two PrCs?

Obviously, I'm asking this with reference to Beholder Mage.

If you'd allowed 2 LA, I would have instead suggested a Hatchling Phaerimm.

The Glyphstone
2010-03-02, 06:40 PM
What is the Mage of Hax?

Wings of Peace
2010-03-02, 06:43 PM
Actually I don't think Magister Multi-Threat qualifies on account of excessive multi-classing. That's what I get for just picking a random project and submitting it.

Sinfire Titan
2010-03-02, 06:52 PM
Whisper Gnome Wizard 14/Shadowcraft Mage 5. I even took the liberty of making that particular sub race an LA 1 to meet requirements.


Echoing Shadow Miracle=Game Rape.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-02, 09:13 PM
Whisper Gnome Wizard 14/Shadowcraft Mage 5. I even took the liberty of making that particular sub race an LA 1 to meet requirements.


Echoing Shadow Miracle=Game Rape.

You forgot Tainted Scholar. Any self-respecting "Mage of Hax" must have it.

Sinfire Titan
2010-03-02, 09:17 PM
You forgot Tainted Scholar. Any self-respecting "Mage of Hax" must have it.

Restricted to 1 PrC.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-02, 09:21 PM
Restricted to 1 PrC.

It says 2.

:/

EDIT: And methinks there are better options than Wizard. White Dragonspawned Kobold Sorcerer gets quite powerful, especially with Knowstones or Runestaves to avoid the whole spells known problem.

Sinfire Titan
2010-03-02, 09:35 PM
It says 2.

:/

EDIT: And methinks there are better options than Wizard. White Dragonspawned Kobold Sorcerer gets quite powerful, especially with Knowstones or Runestaves to avoid the whole spells known problem.

<Partially dyslexic (SIC).

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-02, 10:08 PM
Does it have to be arcane? I can make some pretty darned nice gish builds using psionics.

DementedFellow
2010-03-02, 10:12 PM
Maybe I'm dim, but what is the goal of this challenge? What is "The Mage of HAX"?

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-02, 10:42 PM
Maybe I'm dim, but what is the goal of this challenge? What is "The Mage of HAX"?I'm pretty sure it's just helping him come up with a gish build.

So, ARE psionics involved? And what level of utility/battle-readiness/powah should the builds display?

What, basically, do we need to shoot for?

magic9mushroom
2010-03-02, 11:11 PM
So yeah, anyone have any raises on a White Dragonspawned Kobold Sorcerer/Tainted Scholar/Incantatrix?

I didn't use:

Dragonwrought because while Dragonwrought and White Dragonspawn may be legal by RAW, they don't make any sense.

Loredrake because I don't subscribe to "Cheesewrought = True Dragon".

Beholder Mage because it's not as useful in a non-multithreat level 20 build (it's much more powerful at low levels if combined with Tainted Scholar).

Hatchling Phaerimm because it's banned (although it's certainly worth the +2 LA).



Gnome Wizard/Incantatrix/Shadowcraft Mage probably edges you out at level 20 but along the way you're more powerful. If 3 PrCs were allowed I'd go for that with Tainted Scholar.

Fishy
2010-03-03, 12:48 AM
The Rainbow Warsnake was always pretty h4x.

My favorite variation is Dread Necromancer 1/Rainbow Servant 10/Geomancer 9. Versatile Spellcaster and Sanctum Spell at level 1, either pick up Tomb-Tainted Soul or get Necropolitanized, and spend the rest of your feats on Divine Metamagic. Whee!

magic9mushroom
2010-03-03, 03:51 AM
The Rainbow Warsnake was always pretty h4x.

My favorite variation is Dread Necromancer 1/Rainbow Servant 10/Geomancer 9. Versatile Spellcaster and Sanctum Spell at level 1, either pick up Tomb-Tainted Soul or get Necropolitanized, and spend the rest of your feats on Divine Metamagic. Whee!

Compared to Tainted Scholar? I think not. Also, Divine Metamagic only applies to Divine spells, so anything that overlaps you don't get to DMM.

You could combine the two, I guess. But the Sor/Wiz list is better than the Cleric list, and Incantatrix and Shadowcraft Mage are both extremely tasty for the second PrC slot.

Fishy
2010-03-03, 06:05 AM
Compared to Tainted Scholar? Absolutely not. But it's still h4x.

And Geomancer makes everything eligible for DMM, except for 9th level spells that haven't been Sanctum Spell-ed.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-03, 06:11 AM
Compared to Tainted Scholar? Absolutely not. But it's still h4x.

And Geomancer makes everything eligible for DMM, except for 9th level spells that haven't been Sanctum Spell-ed.

Forgot about Geomancer.

LichPrinceAlim
2010-03-03, 12:22 PM
Okay. For the sake of understanding, a Mage of Hax is a mage (arcane) that by RAW reading (gray or otherwise) is overtly broken.

And for my ease, PLEASE no links... I'm limited at my school for this, so just use a Spoiler for that.

KellKheraptis
2010-03-03, 12:31 PM
Focused Specialist 5/Incantatrix 10/Shadowcraft Mage 5, as a Chaos Gnome (I think that's the +1 LA one...if not, give it a nice template). About as hax as there is with 2 PrC's and no Tainted Scholar.

Sinfire Titan
2010-03-03, 12:38 PM
Okay. For the sake of understanding, a Mage of Hax is a mage (arcane) that by RAW reading (gray or otherwise) is overtly broken.

And for my ease, PLEASE no links... I'm limited at my school for this, so just use a Spoiler for that.

As I said, Echoing Shadow Miracle. AKA: The ability to cast an XP-free Miracle 1440 times/day. Give or take 10 or so castings.


Combine with Tainted Scholar (Heroes of Horror) to double, triple, or even quadruple that number.

faceroll
2010-03-03, 01:19 PM
If you want unlimited power points and spells, check this thread out:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139339


If you want a poor-man's shadow crafter, the feat uncanny forethought from exemplars of evil let's you spontaneously cast any known spell from a prepared slot as a full round action.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-03, 02:30 PM
Focused Specialist 5/Incantatrix 10/Shadowcraft Mage 5, as a Chaos Gnome (I think that's the +1 LA one...if not, give it a nice template). About as hax as there is with 2 PrC's and no Tainted Scholar.

Without Shadow Miracle, a Beholder Mage/Incantatrix would work better. With Shadow Miracle... eh, it's a tossup. Depends on how things like Celerity work - if it's a free action, crap, if it's an immediate action ok, if it's a free action that you can take when it's not your turn you win.