Roy's Eyes are Wonky?

[Magicyop]

Has anyone else noticed this? Check out Roy's eyes. For most characters, the large eye is the one closest to the 'camera'. If you turn around, your big eye becomes the one closest to us, the viewers. But Roy's eyes are the other way, in all cases. I don't think it's just an art mistake because it appears in more than one strip. So why are his eyes reversed?

Anyone noticed this before, or know why this is? I'm not trying to conspiracy-theory a meaning where there isn't one, but I'm just curious if anyone else has noticed this, and what they think of it.

[Zom B]

Huh. I never noticed that, but you're right.

[Hurkyl]

It's hereditary:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0601.html

(PS: Good find)

[Magicyop]

Interesting... I didn't notice that Eugene and, um.. Grandfather Greenhilt... had the same thing.

[Aerodynamik]

I've actually know this for a long time.

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, his body is shaped differently than all of the other characters except for his grandfather too. Most male characters in Oots have a rectangular body, but Roy's (and his grandfather's) is higher up and more squarish. I guess it's because he's really buff or something?

[Magicyop]

Your signature caused my mind to implode.

Oh! Another important find! Roy is bald!

Just kidding. I didn't notice the square-ish bodies thing. I think that just makes his legs look longer.

Are there any characters other than the greenhilts who have bizarre eyes?

[Woodsman]

Well, Tsukiko has her two separate eye colors, but that's more noticeable.

[Magicyop]

Well, Tsukiko has her two separate eye colors, but that's more noticeable.

Well, yes, but her eyes have the proper perspective. I think she has something called... er... heterochromia? Something like that.

The thing with Roy's eyes seems to be something with the art style of the comic.

[ScottishDragon]

Well, Tsukiko has her two separate eye colors, but that's more noticeable.

Isn't tsisuko the only human with eyes that aren't black?

[Gift Jeraff]

Isn't tsisuko the only human with eyes that aren't black?

SoD
Keith Baker.

[Magicyop]

Isn't tsisuko the only human with eyes that aren't black?

...naturally. Sometimes people's eyes turn color when they are under a spell or they are extra-super-ultra magic. Like, I think Samantha's eyes turned purple when she cast spells. I can't think of any other human besides Tsukiko and the aforementioned SoD man whose eyes are naturally colored. There are others with glowy eyes, but they are either portraying a magical effect, or the fact that they are under a spell.

[Fitzclowningham]

Has anyone else noticed this? Check out Roy's eyes. For most characters, the large eye is the one closest to the 'camera'. If you turn around, your big eye becomes the one closest to us, the viewers. But Roy's eyes are the other way, in all cases. I don't think it's just an art mistake because it appears in more than one strip. So why are his eyes reversed?

Anyone noticed this before, or know why this is? I'm not trying to conspiracy-theory a meaning where there isn't one, but I'm just curious if anyone else has noticed this, and what they think of it.

Very observant. I wonder what he means by it.

[Silverraptor]

I noticed that too a long time ago.

Actually, since I first started making fan drawings in the arts and crafts section. My first drawings were of batman in mini-comic strips with the joker. And I noticed it when copying the eyes here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0359.html) in the 3rd panel.

This lead me to notice other characters with similar eye characteristics throughout the comic. (Though I can think of them right now without going back through the comic. But I know they're there.)

[Watcher]

I've known this for a while, too, but I didn't want to post a thread about it. I guess it's just an art feature of the Greenhilts'.

[Thanatosia]

To futher add fuel to this fire, it seems that Roy's mom and his sister Julia do NOT have the reversed eye perspective. Roy's mom not having it makes sense if it was a genetic condition, but Julia missing it means it is a male-only trait or Roy's Mom was less then faithful to Eugene at some point while still living.

also, Eric, his brother, does have the reversed eyes.

[Dr.Epic]

Huh...never noticed that.

[Mikeavelli]

Very observant. I wonder what he means by it.

It means Rich has been hiding subtle stuff like this in his comic for years, wondering when someone is finally going to sit back and take notice.

He will then read this thread and cackle with glee, while never responding to it.

[The Dark Fiddler]

To futher add fuel to this fire, it seems that Roy's mom and his sister Julia do NOT have the reversed eye perspective. Roy's mom not having it makes sense if it was a genetic condition, but Julia missing it means it is a male-only trait or Roy's Mom was less then faithful to Eugene at some point while still living.

also, Eric, his brother, does have the reversed eyes.

Not quite, there's quite a few other explanations. If we assume the condition is recessive (since it's been so uncommon):

Sarah is heterozygous (Ee) while Eugene is homozygous (ee). Roy and Eric happened to inherit the recessive trait from their mom (making them homozygous; ee) while Julia inherited the dominant trait (Ee). Roy, Eric, and Eugene would show the recessive phenotype while Sarah and Julia would show the dominant (normal) phenotype. Of course, it could also be a sex influenced trait so Roy, Eric, Eugene, and Grandpa show a different phenotype, or it could be Sex-Linked which would make the genotypes a bit different but still fairly simple to puzzle out. No need to assume it's male-only or that Sarah was less than faithful (well, no reason to assume because of the eyes, at least.) And since I'm a bit worried about the fact that I just argued about the genotypes of fictional characters, I'm going offer a simpler explanation: it was a mistake Rich made with Roy's character in the first few comics and decided to keep it when he noticed it rather than have everyone ask why his eyes suddenly changed.

[Starscream]

Maybe he has difficulties with depth perception, and that's why he couldn't remember which side his boots go on.

[salinan]

I'm going offer a simpler explanation: it was a mistake Rich made with Roy's character in the first few comics and decided to keep it when he noticed it rather than have everyone ask why his eyes suddenly changed.

An even simpler one: I'm pretty sure Rich would keep a store of pre-drawn commonly needed art, such as each characters head, and simply pastes in the appropriate head when needed, making minor adjustments as necessary. Since he's admitted making similar errors previously, I'd suggest his 'stock' Roy head simply has this error. It's also possible (probable?) Eugene's head etc. were simply based on Roy's as well, compounding the error.

[Gift Jeraff]

I've actually know this for a long time.

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, his body is shaped differently than all of the other characters except for his grandfather too. Most male characters in Oots have a rectangular body, but Roy's (and his grandfather's) is higher up and more squarish. I guess it's because he's really buff or something?
At first I thought it indicated full body armour (as in the torso and legs form one unit), but then I noticed that all (?) of the male island orcs also had it. (It could be an artifact from using Thog as a template for all orcish men, who has Roy's body for obvious reasons.) Other characters with that body shape and full body armour include the paladin Roy and Durkon were in a party with and Cliffport policemen (those are belts for their swords/police equipment or something, not pants).

[tassaron]

His eyes weren't always wonky. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0002.html) Looking through the first story arc, it seems like his eyes slowly became wonky over time. Like in this comic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0116.html), where his eyes change while walking for no apparent reason. That happens a lot near the end of the first book. :/

Strange, but at least it's consistent nowadays.

[Nimrod's Son]

I noticed that too a long time ago.

Actually, since I first started making fan drawings in the arts and crafts section. My first drawings were of batman in mini-comic strips with the joker. And I noticed it when copying the eyes here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0359.html) in the 3rd panel.

This lead me to notice other characters with similar eye characteristics throughout the comic. (Though I can think of them right now without going back through the comic. But I know they're there.)
There are a few of them: the Cliffport police officers and the Azure City soldiers have the same thing going on, amongst others.

[El Llamita]

Azurite male soldiers (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0440.html) also have this type of eyes. And I doubt all of them come from the same womb.

[ThePhantasm]

Azurite male soldiers (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0440.html) also have this type of eyes. And I doubt all of them come from the same womb.

Skeptic.
......

[PallElendro]

You can say that to the Azurite males.

[Petrocorus]

I never noticed this, but now, i've just noticed that this man (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html) had it two. It may be a feature present among a certain percentage of the population of the OotS-verse.

Does anyone has seen a woman with this?

[El Llamita]

I never noticed this, but now, i've just noticed that this man (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html) had it two. It may be a feature present among a certain percentage of the population of the OotS-verse.

Does anyone has seen a woman with this?


Probably a tomboy.
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0362.html)

[blackspeeker]

Probably a tomboy.
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0362.html)

And thog too, weird.

[Magicyop]

Azurite male soldiers (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0440.html) also have this type of eyes. And I doubt all of them come from the same womb.

Really? I dunno, the identical appearances almost make me think they do... :smalltongue:

Eh, I guess you're right. I had so far thought that eye-towards-camera was an art thing, and to me it looks better than the eye-away-from-camera, but I guess it's just that some in the comic have it and some don't.

[Herald Alberich]

And thog too, weird.

No, he makes sense. He's a recolored Roy with fangs.

This comment (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0353.html) from Durkon is odd, since as far as we the readers can tell, Roy and Julia have quite different eyes.

[CWater]

I just noticed that when Roy is wearing The Belt of Gender-Changing he's eyes are normal, so it would indeed seem to be a male feature.


Does anyone has seen a woman with this?


Probably a tomboy.
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0362.html)

Then again...

[Morthis]

SoD
Keith Baker.

And Keith says "Actually they're just..." before being interrupted by Xykon. He was probably going to say something like contacts. Either way, given the part of the reply we did see, it's highly unlikely his eyes are actually different colors.

[Thorcrest]

It also seems that everyone that has them is a fighter

[taltamir]

It's hereditary:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0601.html

(PS: Good find)

nice catch... not only is it hereditary, its also lampshaded in this strip:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0602.html

Celia: I suck at drawing faces. I always make the eyes the same size by accident.

[veti]

Very interesting catch.

Belkar had the same effect, briefly, back around here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0127.html), but it only seems to have lasted a few strips. Wild guess: the Giant changed Belkar's face template and it got saved "wonky" for a week or so before he noticed.

For the Greenhilt male, another wild guess: the Giant used Roy's head as a template for his relatives.

[Dr.Gunsforhands]

I don't think it's necessarily warrior-related. The Oracle's got it, too. As do I, come to think of it...

I think he's just using it as an extra little distinguishing trait these days. Not that it really accomplished much with the blue shirts, but that might have just been Rich saying:

Argh, it's backwards! But I've been meticulously placing copies of these all night! So tired... I really don't feel like fixing it... and it's not like it looks that bad, I mean, I've just kept characters this way before...

*posts before he changes his mind and turns into a sleep-deprived zombie*

[ChowGuy]

So does the samurai that was on the prison raid, which is a template I don't recall being used elsewhere. It's partivcularly interesting because in the first panel here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0706.html), its the only way we can tell which direction (s)he's looking.

Also, it cannot be a "warrior feature" because as others have noted, Eugene (wizard) has it.

[CrimsonAngel]

Hmm, The first character I ever copied eyes from was Roy, but I can't remember their position now... Let's check my avatar after I hit Post Reply...

EDIT: Nope, i'm all normal.

[TVTMaster]

When it comes to "Azurite males" having the eyes, you'll notice that Shojo and the Sapphire Guard don't have the flipped eyes, whereas the prisoner who stayed in the tower does. In a War and XPs bonus strip, however, a Sapphire Guard paladin has flipped eyes, possibly due to being based off of the Azurite Soldier template. Hobgoblins also seem inconsistent at times- see #299, where a hobbo has the wonky eyes, while most others don't.

In addition, when you look at Roy's corpse (before it becomes a skeleton), you'll notice the Xs in his eyes follow the usual pattern- larger eye away from the direction he's facing.

So yeah, there we go. This is one of the more pointless threads in a long line of pointless threads.

[taltamir]

its not pointless, it uncovered one of the greatest mysterious in the history of everything ever and obviously a major plot point of OOTS

[Optimystik]

Isn't tsisuko the only human with eyes that aren't black?

Sangwaan :smalltongue: (okay, we don't really know, but still.)

[Jetty]

Do we have a specific eye when the charicter faces the audience? eg http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html (builder)
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0120.html (party)
also: wrong eye zombie nurse:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0328.html

[ZakRenning]

I di notice this before and strange to say the only other person I noticed at first glance was Gary Gygax in his memorial strip.:smalltongue:

[megabyter5]

So, if similar eyes absolutely must imply genetic relation, is Tsukiko related to Keith Baker?

...Actually, that would rock. 10 gp says that turns out to be true.

[treyh37]

btw tsukiko's wights all have the wonky eyes
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0513.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0709.html
except isamu
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0519.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html

[deuxhero]

Roy's separate body type seems to be an effect of his armor. When he isn't wearing it (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html) it goes to the norm.

[turkishvan2]

They are weird, but I rather like it. It makes for an interesting look.

[kpenguin]

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