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Starbuck_II
2010-03-07, 10:26 AM
Apparently, there is a debate in Pathfinder boards on Displacement: it acts like total concealment (which would blocking sneak attack), but doesn't act like Total concealment (can target perfectly normal).


Some argue Blur blocks sneak attack, but not Displacement: here is the PF version (largely the same as 3.5)

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/displacement.html#displacement

The main arguement against it being actual concealment is words: "As if total concealment" meaning it isn't.
So which do you support? Sneak attack or no?

The Dark Fiddler
2010-03-07, 10:30 AM
By the rules, it seems to support getting Sneak Attacks to me.


The creature benefits from a 50% miss chance as if it had total concealment.

This seems to be the only way Displacement is like total concealment (making me wonder why they had to mention total concealment at all and couldn't just say "this subject has a 50% miss chance".)

Logically, the miss chance comes from appear in a different place than you really are. If the attack still hits, I don't see why you wouldn't still get Sneak Attack.

Starbuck_II
2010-03-07, 11:19 AM
Now they are saying that since not concealment: the two stack (or Blur + Displacement are both rolled, first 50% than 20%).

This is because stacking rules.
Varying Degrees of Concealment
Certain situations may provide more or less than typical concealment, and modify the miss chance accordingly.

Since Blur is concealment, but Displacement isn't: they can stack.

2xMachina
2010-03-07, 11:24 AM
I'd put Displacement as Concealment.

You can target it cause you know it's there. It's pretty much an Invisibility on you + 1 Image in your square.

So, no sneak attack (hard to hit precisely when you can't see what you're hitting. No stacking either, cause a blurry image and a perfect image won't make you miss any worse.

Eloel
2010-03-07, 12:46 PM
Now they are saying that since not concealment: the two stack (or Blur + Displacement are both rolled, first 50% than 20%).

This is because stacking rules.
Varying Degrees of Concealment
Certain situations may provide more or less than typical concealment, and modify the miss chance accordingly.

Since Blur is concealment, but Displacement isn't: they can stack.

When attacking a Blurred Displaced target, you have 60% chance of missing. When attacking that same target while you have your eyes closed, you have 50% chance of missing.

Explain your logic please.

Starbuck_II
2010-03-07, 01:27 PM
When attacking a Blurred Displaced target, you have 60% chance of missing. When attacking that same target while you have your eyes closed, you have 50% chance of missing.

Explain your logic please.

Displacement is a magical trick on the eyes (read the discriptor: glamer). So using your eyes is magically weakened: blinded is not using eyes.

Both displacement and blur is a magical miss chance; it depends on the eye sight. One is a concealment miss, and one acts like one; but both require seeing.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#glamer

Eloel
2010-03-07, 01:29 PM
Blur is a real magical concealment; it depends not on the eye sight.

You're thinking Blink, not Blur