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Grifthin
2010-03-16, 05:11 AM
So what powers would you have, and what would you do if you where a level 20 psion right now ?

Me - I'm all for teleportation and reading minds.

magic9mushroom
2010-03-16, 05:34 AM
So what powers would you have, and what would you do if you where a level 20 psion right now ?

Me - I'm all for teleportation and reading minds.

Win.AAAAAA

Edge of Dreams
2010-03-16, 05:49 AM
Regardless of the specific powers:

Step 1: Figure out a way to make easy money using my powers, preferably in a way that doesn't reveal my powers and consists of providing an actual legit service or product in exchange for money so as not to offend my own morals. Then again, divinations/hypercognition + stock market is very tempting.

Step 2: Figure out any other ways in which I can use my powers to substantially improve my own life without it being noticed. Teleportation, telekinesis, removing the need to eat/sleep, etc. are all good choices.

Step 3: Make sure I have at least a few emergency and get-out-of-jail-free type powers for if things ever go horribly wrong or I am discovered.

Step 4: Finish school, pay off all my debts, get married, and live the easy life.

Step 5: Use at least some of my extra free time, boredom, and power to help the rest of the world somehow. Dunno how exactly.

Actually, that's pretty much my 5-step plan for any significant fantasy change in my life - getting super powers, winning the lottery, getting wishes, etc.

Quirinus_Obsidian
2010-03-16, 05:55 AM
But... so many people in the world have been decerebrated (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/resources/systems/pennpaper/dnd35/soveliorsage/psionicPowersDtoF.html#decerebrate) :smallcool:

Honestly... I don't know. Having that level of power is too great for any one person.

Optimystik
2010-03-16, 06:00 AM
Hypercognition + stock market/lottery.

You see where I'm going with this.
(Can I be an Ardent/Erudite instead?)

ZeroNumerous
2010-03-16, 06:03 AM
I make a time machine. I proceed to replicate a hilarious Robot Chicken sketch involving time machines.

Ravens_cry
2010-03-16, 06:25 AM
Well, we all know what Sir Patrick Stewart would do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M).
Me? Ah, I really don't know. Actually I do. I would play at poker tournaments till I won enough money to buy a spacesuit, then hot damn, I'm going to be the first person on Mars!

Nero24200
2010-03-16, 07:01 AM
I'd become a superhero...or villian, I'm not sure yet.

Volkov
2010-03-16, 07:21 AM
Rule the world.....what else would one do with that power?

Kyrthain
2010-03-16, 07:37 AM
Assuming no-one else has any magic/psionic power, I would find some way of making myself immune to non-magical attacks. Then, I would become incredibly wealthy and live on an island mansion.

Grifthin
2010-03-16, 08:06 AM
I would wipe out our entire goverment. twice.

Indon
2010-03-16, 08:18 AM
I'd take on incredibly difficult challenges until I gain sufficient XP to gain epic psionics.

I then subtly raise a small fortune, spend it on further research, and start getting into big stuff, like giving everyone on Earth a permanent +4 to their Wisdom scores or something.

deuxhero
2010-03-16, 08:23 AM
Save scum and gamble, earning enough money to buy the XP of a few hundred bums to fuel Genesis. What I'll do with my private demiplane (that can't be used the wreck the economey or time traits) I don't know, but it would be cool. Actually, I'd likely use a bum fueled "alter reality" first for some useful stuff (become a la+1 divine minion...).

Greenish
2010-03-16, 08:24 AM
First, I'd try to figure out how to either get a double-digit Int score or how to learn & manifest powers without it.

Then the rest should be easy. :smallcool:

Eldariel
2010-03-16, 08:26 AM
Huh. I'd win D&D forever.

Kzickas
2010-03-16, 08:29 AM
Everything!

Vizzerdrix
2010-03-16, 08:30 AM
Rule the world.....what else would one do with that power?

Dude. That is just waaaaay too much work. I'd win the lotto a few times and then take over a nice sunny island. Someplace warm. Then I'd mind control all the spiders to hunt and kill each other. Cleaning the place out of them.

boomwolf
2010-03-16, 08:37 AM
Why lottery when you can "convince" people to give you things for free all the time?
Sure, attracts attention, but technically you are doing nothing illegal, you just "talk" so good that people get confused and do whatever you want.

Plus, mindreading can be amusing as hell.

But seriously, I would stick to mind control tricks for fun and profit.

The Glyphstone
2010-03-16, 09:05 AM
Live forever. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/mindSwitchTrue.htm)

alisbin
2010-03-16, 09:06 AM
first i'd secure a reasonable lifetime income via influence powers or hypercognition, then i'd research a 9th level psionic single target (no save) truth spell with a long duration (days/weeks per level) + gigantic range and continually cast it on politicians while they are running for office that or a "stimulate critical thought" power that would affect entire nations. i like the idea of giving everyone in the world a +4 wis, but why stop there, +4 wis AND int! after that was dealt with i'd use psychic chiurgery alot to open a free clinic to try and heal the mentally ill/disabled, i'd do physical ailments too if i could figure out a way to heal others with psionics too. ooooh and theres a power from BoEF that finds the perfect mate for whoever you cast it on, if i could come up with a psionic version i could make my money by casting that for a small profit for anyone who asked.

taltamir
2010-03-16, 09:09 AM
So what powers would you have, and what would you do if you where a level 20 psion right now ?

Me - I'm all for teleportation and reading minds.

I would rule the world.


Step 1: Figure out a way to make easy money using my powers, preferably in a way that doesn't reveal my powers and consists of providing an actual legit service or product in exchange for money so as not to offend my own morals. Then again, divinations/hypercognition + stock market is very tempting.


stock market? you mean LOTTERY right?

taltamir
2010-03-16, 09:18 AM
Live forever. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/mindSwitchTrue.htm)

living forever is far too tame a use for this sort of power. And you only need to use it ONCE to become immortal (mindswitch with an outsider... say, a pit fiend; then imprison (as the spell) your old body)

Closak
2010-03-16, 09:19 AM
I would wipe out our entire goverment. twice.

This, just this.

I really HATE politicians, so naturally the first thing i would do would be to wipe them all out.

Siegel
2010-03-16, 09:43 AM
I would just take a bunch of telekinetic powers. O i would love to make things fly arround. I even dream about it...

Invisibility would be nice maybe and a few movement powers.

PersonMan
2010-03-16, 09:55 AM
The lottery winning would be nice, but even if you knew the numbers, how would you make sure you got the winning ticket?

Anyways, I'd find out the next super-company and buy almost all of it just as it was founded. Then, when it was at its peak I'd sell the stocks.

Indon
2010-03-16, 10:06 AM
The lottery winning would be nice, but even if you knew the numbers, how would you make sure you got the winning ticket?
You can pick the numbers for 'numbers'-style lotteries.

DragoonWraith
2010-03-16, 10:30 AM
I make a time machine. I proceed to replicate a hilarious Robot Chicken sketch involving time machines.
WIN! Hahaha, one of my favorite scenes from any show ever. That was awesome.

Guy is watering his lawn. A portal opens in mid-air and a dude in futuristic clothing steps out.

Future dude: "What year is it?"
Present guy: "Uh, 2006?"
Future dude: "2006, really? Hahaha, good luck with that dude."
And the futuristic guy goes back in his portal and it closes.

Mando Knight
2010-03-16, 10:56 AM
Well, we all know what Sir Patrick Stewart would do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M).

Only Sir Patrick Stewart could deliver that concept entirely deadpan-seriously yet not lose any respect for it.

drakir_nosslin
2010-03-16, 10:59 AM
Well, I'd pick genesis, teleport, sustenance, charm and dominate.
Genesis is for a permanent home that always 'follows' me.
Teleport is for travelling.
Sustenance, well, no need to eat. Nice!
So, there I have it, I'll never go hungry and I'll always have a place to stay, no matter where I go.
And if I want to do something fun, say go partying, use charm/dominate to get past the guards and not having to pay. I'd never need money either.

Then travel and marvel at the world for the rest of my life. And when I get old, either a true mindswitch if I feel the need to live longer, or just pass on.

kamikasei
2010-03-16, 11:08 AM
What level spread is the rest of the planet? Are there secret, hidden high-level psionicists or mages or monsters that I'd have to deal with? Am I built like a D&D human with 20 levels of psion (and nothing else), five stat increases, eight base feats etc.? Are magic items available? Can I craft psionic items? What's the exchange rate for a gold piece? Do I have WBL? Access to all the normal planes? If I use up XP, can I replace it? Did I gain all my levels at once, or did I have to "play through" them?

This is a fairly involved question, even before I try to work out my RL stats.

jiriku
2010-03-16, 11:12 AM
Playboy playmates, sir. 'Nuff said.

For that matter, maybe Hugh Heffner is a level-20 psion.

Mando Knight
2010-03-16, 11:14 AM
Are there secret, hidden high-level psionicists or mages or monsters that I'd have to deal with?

Only after you get a feel for your powers. You'll also be persecuted to the ends of the earth by normal people, while some of your colleagues somehow manage to grab some respect and a billionaire playboy with a life-changing tragedy secretly develops sufficiently advanced tech such that he can fight on an equal level with you.

Ecalsneerg
2010-03-16, 11:32 AM
I would use Psionic Item Creation feats to make Green Lantern-esque rings for those who I trust, and peacefully take over the planet, applying my mighty intellect to solving its problems with my superpowered honour guard.

Of course, I installed a failsafe in the rings. I'm not a moron. You're with me, or you're not.

Indon
2010-03-16, 11:35 AM
I would use Psionic Item Creation feats to make Green LanternSauron-esque rings for those who I trust, and peacefully take over the planet, applying my mighty intellect to solving its problems with my superpowered honour guard.

Of course, I installed a failsafe in the rings. I'm not a moron. You're with me, or you're not.

Fixed, I do believe.

DabblerWizard
2010-03-16, 11:40 AM
Become the world's greatest psychotherapist.

"You really can read my mind!" :smallbiggrin:

Volkov
2010-03-16, 11:44 AM
I could also strip an attractive girl from a distance and oogle her and mind control my girlfriend into not getting mad about it. Pervertedness FTW.

Greenish
2010-03-16, 11:47 AM
I could also strip a girl from a distance and oogle her. Pervertedness FTW.Or you could get a full length mirror, metamorphosis into a girl and ogle yourself. :smallconfused:

Volkov
2010-03-16, 11:49 AM
Or you could get a full length mirror, metamorphosis into a girl and ogle yourself. :smallconfused:

That's a tad creepy and I'd prefer to stay a male.

Ecalsneerg
2010-03-16, 11:49 AM
Fixed, I do believe.

I object to your evil, sir! I am fixing your pathetic world, not seeking to crush it in my iron fist!

Volkov
2010-03-16, 11:53 AM
I can't decide whether to rule the world and have everything I want and bring world peace and scientific advancement, or use it more immaturely and get whatever I want and have a hell of a lot of fun.

Either way, I'm finding a way to stay in my prime forever and get all the hot girls I'll ever need, and make them immortal too.

ZeroNumerous
2010-03-16, 12:50 PM
I can't decide whether to rule the world and have everything I want and bring world peace and scientific advancement, or use it more immaturely and get whatever I want and have a hell of a lot of fun.

Either way, I'm finding a way to stay in my prime forever and get all the hot girls I'll ever need, and make them immortal too.

World peace would require far too much effort for very little return, nor will it be permanent without some serious screwing with every single person on the planet. Immortality is also far too much effort for absolutely no reward.

Might I suggest to, instead, get a laser pointer and some cool (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticManeuver.htm) powers that'll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticThrust.htm) let you start your own (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi) hokey religion (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShoutOut)? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSucker)

Greenish
2010-03-16, 12:55 PM
Might I suggest to, instead, get a laser pointer and some cool (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticManeuver.htm) powers that'll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticThrust.htm) let you start your own (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi) hokey religion (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShoutOut)? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSucker)You don't need neither psionics nor laser pointers for that. Just optimize Jump. :smallcool:

Godskook
2010-03-16, 01:07 PM
Actually, that's a good question....is immortality out of reach for a L20 Psion? Assuming the following:

-Leadership is useless. There's no one else worth leading, so no L18 cohorts
-No items. You've got no xp to spare on crafting, and there's no one else to make them.
-There's no outside resources. A plane shift equivalent won't get you to Eberron.
-You're running on the same approximate terms as V was during his Faustian Pact. I.e., you're probably not going to find anything that'll be a big enough challenge to warrant xp. And no, you can't 'train' us till we're powerful to give xp.

Admiral Squish
2010-03-16, 01:16 PM
Sweet monkey jesus, this will be fun!

Let's see... First things first, win the lottery. Like, four times. But each with a different mind seeded person, to avoid raising suspicion. Then subtly squirrel away the money into accounts I have access to.

Then, create some worldwide-scale power that kills anyone failing a will save. Doesn't even need to be high-powered, just a few d6s of damage would do for most of the world. Try to aim for ~30-50% Fatality rate. The stupid people die more often than the smart ones, and at the same time, I solve the population crisis! Of course, nobody has detect psionics, so I get off scot-free. Everyone just dies of an aneurysm or something. Repeat periodically as population continues to increase.

Then, harvest my mind-seeded victims for XP to cast genesis and retire into a paradise. Someone mentioned a psionic version of a spell that finds your perfect mate, I'd prolly cast it on me, then bring my wife with me into my demiplane too. Then maybe some ex-model concubines permanently 'attracted' to me. Astral constructs are kinda lacking in terms of affection.

Quincunx
2010-03-16, 01:51 PM
Step 0: I now skate everywhere, 'cause it's fun.

Plan A.
Step 1: Specialize as a Seer.
Step 2: Use Standard Psionic Tricks(tm) to know and go what and where I should not.
Step 3: Rampant abuse of fate link (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/fateLink.htm) against torturers and tortured, king and peasant, husband and wife, artist and spectator. . .any pairing that may create a stronger bond or a stronger irony.

Plan B.
Step 1: Specialize as a Telepath.
Step 2: Learn how to convince people that it'll be easier if I can just explain myself to you with a mindlink (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/mindlink.htm). Broadcast.
Step 3: As it is a two-way communication, linked folk whose thought processes sufficiently annoy me will be subject to a mind seed (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/mindSeed.htm).

randomhero00
2010-03-16, 02:29 PM
Well let's see, straight 20 psion. That means no way to gain exp; no one would ever be considered a "challenge," with that many hit dice you could literally be shot a dozen times and probably live. Sure, fixing an economy or something might be hard but probably wouldn't warrant experience as it really wouldn't be truly difficult for a 20 psion. So that means no crafting or using any spells that require exp.

Well first I would have fun, doing almost whatever I please within moral boundaries and not giving myself away to the world. Most likely I'd go out into the woods and have a blast (literally) blowing crap up with my mind.

Secondly I would accrue money as morally as possible. Probably gambling in some way (lottery, poker etc.) Then I'd have fun being rich for about a year while experimenting with what my new powers can do.

Then I'd get bored. So thirdly I would almost certainly try to start fixing things in the world. Then I'd probably realize it was futile and get pissed off after a decade or so.

After that, who knows? Probably what I would have ended up doing anyway if I hadn't gotten those powers. But what fun for a dozen years or so!

Volkov
2010-03-16, 02:41 PM
World peace would require far too much effort for very little return, nor will it be permanent without some serious screwing with every single person on the planet. Immortality is also far too much effort for absolutely no reward.

Might I suggest to, instead, get a laser pointer and some cool (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticManeuver.htm) powers that'll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticThrust.htm) let you start your own (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi) hokey religion (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShoutOut)? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSucker)

No reward? Avoiding death is always good. I don't want to gamble on the existence of an afterlife.

Plus, I enjoy my female company and I would like it if they didn't grow old....and unattractive. The same would go for me. And as said before, astral constructs make for terrible lovers.

Kobold-Bard
2010-03-16, 02:57 PM
Well, we all know what Sir Patrick Stewart would do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M).
Me? Ah, I really don't know. Actually I do. I would play at poker tournaments till I won enough money to buy a spacesuit, then hot damn, I'm going to be the first person on Mars!

I can only assume the rest of it isn't as good as that. Ricky Gervais is...just terrible. Cannot believe he did the Star Trek thing.

If I were a Psion I would use tyranny and benevolence to make people worship me. Since D&D rules are in effect I will gain X number of Divine Ranks and, well thats it.

Otherwise I'd keep them secret, live a nice life but not rule the world. Too much hassle.

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-16, 03:43 PM
Functional immortality and invincibility. Astral seed while metamorphosis'd into a young, healthy body, then if I ever managed to get critically injured, or aged past my prime, I'd simply commit ritual seppuku and pop back in as the young man I used to be.

I'd have a little bit of everything: some teleportation, some mind-influencing effects, some divination, some metamorphosis, some creation powers, some healing, and some psychic reformation to switch things up as I want.

I'd then play for awhile until I felt comfortable with my new abilities, accrue resources (responsibly, except for, y'know, cheating with mind-magic), then I'd start undermining certain less-than-ethical organizations to bring them down from within and/or try to install some serious ethical standards, case depending. Big Oil (hooray for water-powered vehicles! (http://www.ronnmotors.com/)). The cigarette companies. Pharmaceutical companies (they could be doing so much better than they currently are). Blood diamond slavery. Terrorist organizations. Various governments around the world (especially those who've seriously abused their power, though I'm not currently naming names).

I'd see about finding sensible, intelligent, long-lasting, and self-sustaining solutions to various problems, and bringing them to bear. Teach the world at large how to overcome their own problems.

And preferably all from the comfort of my mansion in, say, Maui.

I wouldn't mind getting my hands (and other parts) on a small, genuinely-loving harem, either. No mind-control involved; just a buffed Charisma, good Diplomacy, and a genuine desire for the well-being of those around me (and the Wisdom and Intelligence to make the right decisions).

I'd rule behind the scenes, but would ensure mind-affecting fail safes of some sort to retain my beneficent outlook (so no Power Corruption; sorry, Lord Acton, but you can't make changes of any kind without power and influence of any kind, and I'd plan on making the world one I'd want to actually live in).

No sense living forever in a world that's gonna fall all to crap, eh?

Abd al-Azrad
2010-03-16, 03:47 PM
I'd be curious as to how many fundamental laws of physics I could violate at once. I'm pretty sure some Teleportation violates either relativity or causality, being instantaneous (a.k.a. faster-than-light) travel... I think I'd start with teleporting everywhere just to show off to pesky scientists how wrong they always are. And temporal shifts bend causality like nobody's business... If I can replay a round, and change the actions of that round, how is it possible that I would retain memory of the round? Suck on that, science!

Now, just need a way to violate entropy... hm.

Create immovable objects just to give physicists a point of standard reference for everything. Yeah, that'd be fun.

There's all the obvious things like getting richer than Croesus, and forcing people to do my will, of course... But I'd hate for some 'evil' government branch to learn of my powers and try to use me for their ends. Which, sadly, would involve restraint, at least until I'd toppled all governments by taking direct control of every world leader.

Employ a bunch of charmed think tanks whose sole job is thinking up ways to further abuse my powers. I mean, come on, even a Psion 20 can miss an opportunity once in a while if he doesn't think of it.

Ooh! Force the entire world to move to a round-based unit of time measurement. None of these pesky "seconds" any more!

Volkov
2010-03-16, 03:49 PM
I'd be curious as to how many fundamental laws of physics I could violate at once. I'm pretty sure some Teleportation violates either relativity or causality, being instantaneous (a.k.a. faster-than-light) travel... I think I'd start with teleporting everywhere just to show off to pesky scientists how wrong they always are. And temporal shifts bend causality like nobody's business... If I can replay a round, and change the actions of that round, how is it possible that I would retain memory of the round? Suck on that, science!

Now, just need a way to violate entropy... hm.

Create immovable objects just to give physicists a point of standard reference for everything. Yeah, that'd be fun.

There's all the obvious things like getting richer than Croesus, and forcing people to do my will, of course... But I'd hate for some 'evil' government branch to learn of my powers and try to use me for their ends. Which, sadly, would involve restraint, at least until I'd toppled all governments by taking direct control of every world leader.

Employ a bunch of charmed think tanks whose sole job is thinking up ways to further abuse my powers. I mean, come on, even a Psion 20 can miss an opportunity once in a while if he doesn't think of it.

Ooh! Force the entire world to move to a round-based unit of time measurement. None of these pesky "seconds" any more!
They would study your power and find a way to explain it. Science is a very malleable entity. Also, teleportation seems to fall under spacetime manipulation and wormhole creation, or quantum entanglement.

Optimystik
2010-03-16, 03:51 PM
There's no fun in living forever; I'd just get bored after the first dozen milennia or so.

A better idea in my opinion is to set things up so that a band of ragtag, teenage heroes can interrupt my eternal reward when the world needs me most :smallwink:

Godskook
2010-03-16, 03:56 PM
There's no fun in living forever; I'd just get bored after the first dozen milennia or so.

Yes, let's ignore the first 10 millennia and focus on the boredom that follows it.

Admiral Squish
2010-03-16, 04:00 PM
There's no fun in living forever; I'd just get bored after the first dozen milennia or so.

A better idea in my opinion is to set things up so that a band of ragtag, teenage heroes can interrupt my eternal reward when the world needs me most :smallwink:

I didn't even think of that! I could be Zordon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zordon)!

Kobold-Bard
2010-03-16, 04:02 PM
There's no fun in living forever; I'd just get bored after the first dozen milennia or so.

A better idea in my opinion is to set things up so that a band of ragtag, teenage heroes can interrupt my eternal reward when the world needs me most :smallwink:

Thing is this completely removes the usual problem with immortality; eventually you'll be floating through space after the world gets black holed.

Genesis fixes you up forever.

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-16, 04:06 PM
There's no fun in living forever; I'd just get bored after the first dozen milennia or so.

A better idea in my opinion is to set things up so that a band of ragtag, teenage heroes can interrupt my eternal reward when the world needs me most :smallwink:The world is so bursting-at-the-seams-full of awesome; why would anyone get bored?

Learn to appreciate the small things, like the wonders of just being alive. That's what I say. Immortality doesn't have to equal boredom, especially when you can rearrange reality at will, including your own sense of the blasé.

High Wisdom also comes in handy.

Optimystik
2010-03-16, 04:09 PM
Yes, let's ignore the first 10 millennia and focus on the boredom that follows it.

It was a guesstimate :smalltongue:


The world is so bursting-at-the-seams-full of awesome; why would anyone get bored?

Staying around that long is just asking to get disillusioned with the repetitiveness of human history and go One-Winged Angel in an attempt to "fix" everything, imo.

Plus I'm pretty sure the Upper Planes have plenty of awesome as well. :smallwink:

Oh, another thing I'd do is teach psionics to as many people as I could; it's such a great system, it fits in with any setting regardless of technological advancement.

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-16, 04:13 PM
Staying around that long is just asking to get disillusioned with the repetitiveness of human history and go One-Winged Angel in an attempt to "fix" everything, imo.This isn't Belgarath the Sorcerer, you know. Humans continue to progress as time goes by; I'm sure it's fully possible to find amusement all the time, especially if you have control over your own endorphin production (yay shapeshifting!).


Plus I'm pretty sure the Upper Planes have plenty of awesome as well. :smallwink:

Oh, another thing I'd do is teach psionics to as many people as I could; it's such a great system, it fits in with any setting regardless of technological advancement.I'd keep people at E6; wouldn't want to create our own arch-nemesis, now would we?

Ashiel
2010-03-16, 09:37 PM
I'm going to assume that it is assumed that we as 20th level psions have an intelligence at least high enough to manifest our 9th level powers; otherwise you might want to pickup the animal affinity power and boost your Int by +4 before you do anything major.

Now assuming I'm the only 20th level psion in existence, and everyone else in the world are NPC classed and no higher than 5th level or so; here is what I think I would do:

First, I would totally have a Psicrystal. I've always loved psicrystals, and likely Improved Psicrystal at least twice. They're so useful for psionicists that I'd be lost without one.

I'd probably be a Telepath, and using Expanded Knowledge to pickup astral construct, energy missile, greater psionic fabricate, restore extremity, fiery discorporation, and fission; then pickup Psionic Body, Overchannel, and Talented.

For my regular psionic powers, I'd pickup the following:

- Psionic charm, Vigor, Inertial Armor, Force Screen, Control Flames
- Read Thoughts, Suggestion, Concussion Blast, Share Pain
- Energy Wall, Energy Retort, Solicit Psicrystal, Time Hop
- Thieving Mindlink, Psionic Dominate, Schism, Psychic Reformation
- Ectoplasmic Shambler, Mind Probe, Telekinetic Maneuver*, Wall of Ectoplasm*
- Fuse Flesh, Touchsight*, Psionic Dimension Door*, Sustenance*
- Energy Conversion, Aura Sight*, Incarnate*, Telekinetic Thrust*
- Greater Psionic Teleport, Psionic Iron Body, True Metabolism, Shadow Body
- Affinity Field, Psychic Chirurgery, Reality Revision, Psionic Etherealness, Correspond*, Telekinetic Force*


What I would do? I'd manifest without a display by making concentration checks. I would use my powers to acquire enough money so that my needs and my family's needs were taken care of. Instead of cheating at the lottery, I would probably just take it from criminals (say drug dealers). If you're wondering why; it's because cheating at the lottery is kind-of like stealing, so if I'm going to steal, I'd rather lay claim to the assets of those who prey on others.

I'd begin training my younger brother in the ways; even going as far as bestowing powers on him with psychic chirurgery. I'd do the same with my Psicrystal (so I can psychic reformation when needed and leech the powers from my crystal with thieving mindlink).

I would use my healing, restoration, and regeneration powers on people in hospitals. I'd bust an Affinity Field in mental hospitals and begin erasing mental disorders in large numbers, quickly. I'd remain disguised anytime I was using my powers outside of my family; and would greater teleport to a safe location before un-disguising myself.

I would use my powers to rescue people and fight those I perceived as bad-guys. I would be nearly unstoppable in the real world, as I would maximum manifest inertial armor, vigor, iron body, and similar powers, while sharing them with my psicrystal; then share pain targeting my psicrystal. I could also wear some mundane armors like Kevlar in-case it provides a DR 5/Balistics or something similar.

I would be loaded for bear (read war) with my power selection. Powers like concussion blast can take down people without killing them. Powers like energy retort are counter attacks. Energy Missile would be effective for taking out enemies in hostage situations (blasting up to 5 of them without risking hitting others). Astral construct would literally allow me to remain completely hidden, while sicking Transformers on bad-guys; many of them sporting the ability to concussion blast as a swift action each round, and some of them sporting energy missile and virtual immunity to weapons.

Energy Wall and Energy Conversion (sonic) (shared with my Psicrystal), focused inward to charge my own lasers while preventing enemies or (arguably) most projectiles from getting to me (since anything passing through the field would take 2d6-2 + 20 sonic damage), using solicit psicrystal to allow my psicrystal to hold the power, while I do other things.

And sustenance is there so I don't have to eat or poop. Imagine the time saved not pooping if you multiplied the number of times you gotta poop over a lifetime. :smalltongue:

Theres a lot more, but I'm out of time.

Mando Knight
2010-03-16, 10:26 PM
I'd go Egoist, simply because Metamorphosis and Animal Affinity are ridiculously useful.

Need to go across town? No problem! Form of... AN EAGLE! Need to solve a difficult equation? Cunning of... A FOX! Crash a party? Body of... SIR PATRICK STEWART!

Graymayre
2010-03-16, 10:37 PM
Time control and thought control.

I'll just keep repeating events until I achieve what I prefer in a response. Thought control would help me with those goals.

I'll probably use it to help some people, but more than likely it will all go to my head and you'll see the country run by a psychic overlord within the decade.

Dust
2010-03-16, 10:39 PM
Well, we all know what Sir Patrick Stewart would do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M).
Still laughing. My god.

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-16, 10:46 PM
My god.YOU CALLED?

Zexion
2010-03-16, 10:47 PM
I once worked out my RL stats and tried to figure out what I would do with my life if it was a D&D game. This isn't that different, so:
I would definitely create my own demiplane. Goodbye normal world, hello Completely Malleable Awesome Place Of Mine TM!

Araeliz
2010-03-17, 12:01 AM
Assuming that there are no threats to my power besides old age:
Through telepathy and teleportation I would quickly select some individuals to provide me with superior young bodies, so I could gain immortality by swapping bodies.
After achieving virtual immortality, I would slowly decimate the human population until it reached an optimum size where it would do basically no harm to the planet, remaining disguised the entire time. After that, I would forge (again, in disguise) a world government, and through telepathy manipulate the world leaders. My first priority would be the colonisation of other planets, so I could live after the sun exploded. I would manipulate historians, from generation to generation, to slowly erase/rewrite it, so I could always stay hidden and safe, and I would closely watch science developments, making sure that nothing that could protect humanity from me would be created. Being the insecure 20l character that I would be, I would also encourage the development of weapons and such, just in the case of Illithids and other scary aliens...
As I slowly gained xp through the centuries and reached epic levels, I would create a new plane and seal it, finishing my invulnerability, and ruling as a tyrant forever.

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-17, 12:31 AM
Assuming that there are no threats to my power besides old age:
Through telepathy and teleportation I would quickly select some individuals to provide me with superior young bodies, so I could gain immortality by swapping bodies.
After achieving virtual immortality, I would slowly decimate the human population until it reached an optimum size where it would do basically no harm to the planet, remaining disguised the entire time. After that, I would forge (again, in disguise) a world government, and through telepathy manipulate the world leaders. My first priority would be the colonisation of other planets, so I could live after the sun exploded. I would manipulate historians, from generation to generation, to slowly erase/rewrite it, so I could always stay hidden and safe, and I would closely watch science developments, making sure that nothing that could protect humanity from me would be created. Being the insecure 20l character that I would be, I would also encourage the development of weapons and such, just in the case of Illithids and other scary aliens...
As I slowly gained xp through the centuries and reached epic levels, I would create a new plane and seal it, finishing my invulnerability, and ruling as a tyrant forever.Shhh!

Don't tell everyone our REAL goals!

Thrawn183
2010-03-17, 12:43 AM
Can we get a OP decree on experience? Can't use some of the best powers without it.

absolmorph
2010-03-17, 12:56 AM
Metamorphosis.
Begin Pun-Pun process.

Grifthin
2010-03-17, 01:17 AM
Nope you don't Gain Xp, or can use XP to pay for things. Let's make it a little more open ended - if you where a level 20 Psionic character (not a psion necassarily) then what would you do ?

Psion 17/Pyrokinetist 3 - Fun with fire.

Ravens_cry
2010-03-17, 01:49 AM
Still laughing. My god.
Just spreading the meme, ma'am, just spreading the meme.
Well, besides going to Mars, and the moon, and elsewhere and using my powers to gain a huge fortune, putting massive amounts of money into R&D on things I find important, such as space flight, science, medicine, and algae crude, I think I would be pretty happy with myself. Flustered? Sure. But it sounds like fun.

nolispe
2010-03-17, 01:58 AM
1. Acquire epic Psionics
2. Boost own Int, wis score through the roof
3. rule world.

KellKheraptis
2010-03-17, 02:34 AM
1. StP Erudite, not Psion.
2. Linked Power for all XP needs.
3. Research...with all those spells and powers, immortality is jokingly easy.
4. Genesis, at least for two demiplanes. One to start my own quasi-civilization and observe evolution, with information being fed to me 24/7 from a bound earth spirit or genius loci, and one as my personal summer home.
5. Time travel everywhere I've ever wanted to go and see. Personal sword lessons from Musashi? Score! Eidetic lock for later use with Mirror Move. Repeat for every great warrior of all time.
6. Interstellar exploration. NASA just doesn't cut it now.
7. Making an example of the gnats from time to time if I get found out (since with just one or two powers, there is no excuse to ever be caught red-handed). Let's see what that tank has to say to a Wings of Flurry, and betcha that driver doesn't have force resistance.
8. Hedonism. Need I say more? Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and from 4 above, I'm already playing god. Literally. And I'm already pretty hedonistic IRL anyhow...
9. Between personal lessons from every great musician ever and infinite time to practice (something I wish I had now), blow every speed record away on every instrument, but especially the guitar. Neoclassical temporal shred FTW.
10. Maintain a suite of defensive measures at all times. ALL TIMES. Sleep isn't needed, and I can always recharge at a moment's notice.

That's a good start at least. Enough to keep me occupied a few hundred years, relatively speaking (assuming the theories are correct about interstellar travel, though with teleportation, that's kinda moot). The process of course would be repeated when I found another planet inhabited with intelligent life.

icefractal
2010-03-17, 04:29 AM
I'm making some assumptions about things that aren't specified:

1) Being exactly 20th level, you don't have any free XP, so a number of powers are out. And I doubt you can gain XP from anyone that exists.
2) There aren't any other planes (maybe the astral and ethereal, but not with native creatures on them) or monsters that don't exist on earth.
3) There aren't other high-level or psionic characters around.
4) Powers work exactly how they do in D&D, not how they could be logically extrapolated to work. That would make it too easy anyway.
5) You can't make things exist with your feats (aka, no Leadership for a Balor minion, no using that one feat that gives you a stronghold).

Now personally, I'm not inclined to attract a lot of attention. Even if I try to rule the world (a big if), I would be doing it from behind the scenes. That means big flashy powers are not usually ideal.


With that in mind, the best specialization is probably Telepath. All the specializations have at least one good power, but Telepath has half a dozen. You can always pick up the other stuff (Metamorphosis, Clairtangent Hand, and Hypercognition being the most irreplacable) with Expanded Knowledge.

Immortality isn't really possible. Both forms of Mind Switch cost XP (and Astral Seed drops you a level), so eventually you'll fall below the level where you can manifest those powers, and that will still probably be too high to get XP from defeating normal people.

Psionics is really bad at healing, in fact. With the massive overkill of Affinity Field, you can heal other people and regrow limbs, but there's nothing to get rid of diseases (although you can heal the ability damage from them). Psionics is not great at helping other people in general, except to the extent of using Divination/Hypercognition to give them good advice.

That said, I could still control people, blast them to dust, fly around being ethereal, teleport anywhere, get enough information to dominate the stock market, and cause all manner of petty mischief and/or righteous judgement. So it's not like I'd turn the power down if offered, or anything. It's just not quite godhood in a box.

Optimystik
2010-03-17, 05:53 AM
Well, we all know what Sir Patrick Stewart would do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M).

"Good lord."


After achieving virtual immortality, I would slowly decimate the human population until it reached an optimum size where it would do basically no harm to the planet, remaining disguised the entire time. After that, I would forge (again, in disguise) a world government, and through telepathy manipulate the world leaders. My first priority would be the colonisation of other planets, so I could live after the sun exploded.

Wait, wait. If you're going to focus on colonizing other planets, why decimate the population of this one? Just move the excess people offworld until the climate can recover. Unless you're trying to be Ozymandias anyway :smalltongue:



2. Linked Power for all XP needs.

How does this work?

taltamir
2010-03-17, 06:42 AM
question... are the deity rules in effect?
aka, would getting 2000 believers allow you to ascend into godhood? and then gain powers as you gain believers?

because with the right abilities it would not be too difficult to convince people you are a god.

Volkov
2010-03-17, 06:44 AM
Nope you don't Gain Xp, or can use XP to pay for things. Let's make it a little more open ended - if you where a level 20 Psionic character (not a psion necassarily) then what would you do ?

Psion 17/Pyrokinetist 3 - Fun with fire.

Level 20 erudite, I'm not sure what the class does but from what I hear it's awesomely powerful.

Jack_Simth
2010-03-17, 06:49 AM
Why lottery when you can "convince" people to give you things for free all the time?
Sure, attracts attention, but technically you are doing nothing illegal, you just "talk" so good that people get confused and do whatever you want.

Illegal vs. Immoral.

If you use Greater Psionic Fabricate, you make goods, which you can then sell at a profit, and buy what you want. The people you have give you stuff are paid for it, and do not suffer for it. And it makes sense to anyone looking at things (although they might wonder how you make all that stuff).

If you use mind control, people just give you stuff mysteriously, but they're not being compensated - the store loses money, and eventually goes out of business for it. You'll slowly damage the economy that way (and kill individual businesses quite quickly, depending on your tastes and how often you do this), making quite a few people's situations much worse. Plus, you know, Mind Control, and people occasionally make their saves.


What level spread is the rest of the planet? Are there secret, hidden high-level psionicists or mages or monsters that I'd have to deal with? Am I built like a D&D human with 20 levels of psion (and nothing else), five stat increases, eight base feats etc.? Are magic items available? Can I craft psionic items? What's the exchange rate for a gold piece? Do I have WBL? Access to all the normal planes? If I use up XP, can I replace it? Did I gain all my levels at once, or did I have to "play through" them?

This is a fairly involved question, even before I try to work out my RL stats.
Heh, yes; this does have an impact on things, doesn't it?

Actually, that's a good question....is immortality out of reach for a L20 Psion?Yes and no. Depends on a few things. An Elan is, by default, not going to die of old age (and is flat-out immune to most diseases), and looks perfectly human. If you're turned into an Elan when you're turned into a Psion-20, you're fine.

Also... for those of you needing excess XP when starting at exactly 20th? There's a way to get it, but it's exceedingly distasteful. Basically, you abuse the level loss mechanics, to force yourself to lose a level - which sets you halfway between 19th and 20th. (Astral Seed, Suicide - you're now at 19th, halfway to 20th, with almost ten thousand XP you can burn if needed).

Optimystik
2010-03-17, 06:56 AM
Level 20 erudite, I'm not sure what the class does but from what I hear it's awesomely powerful.

It's a psion that can learn and "prepare" powers like a wizard learns and prepares spells, rather than getting them all via levelups like a regular psion or sorcerer does.

It also has three very powerful ACFs, one of which is strong enough to give even the Arcane Swordsage a run for its money.

Jack_Simth
2010-03-17, 07:14 AM
It's a psion that can learn and "prepare" powers like a wizard learns and prepares spells, rather than getting them all via levelups like a regular psion or sorcerer does.

It also has three very powerful ACFs, one of which is strong enough to give even the Arcane Swordsage a run for its money.

Well, he's not preparing them... he just gets a certain number of powers he can use in a given day... and gets to choose which ones they are when he needs them, provided they're in his repetoir (either learned by leveling up, or by "scribing" them on his mind by spending a bit of XP). But yeah; the spells-to-power Erudite is very busted.

idk
2010-03-17, 07:22 AM
Why bother with all those complicated schemes and stuff when you can do something simpler for the same entertainment value?

e.g. Autohypnosis to memorize enough digits of pi that you may recite until your witnesses die of old age.

ZeroNumerous
2010-03-17, 07:28 AM
Also... for those of you needing excess XP when starting at exactly 20th? There's a way to get it, but it's exceedingly distasteful. Basically, you abuse the level loss mechanics, to force yourself to lose a level - which sets you halfway between 19th and 20th. (Astral Seed, Suicide - you're now at 19th, halfway to 20th, with almost ten thousand XP you can burn if needed).

Or, for those of us lacking moral compunctions: Be a spell-to-power erudite. Learn the Liquid Pain spell. Drain enough poor saps to make an on-use item of it. Turn some poor sap into a zombie. Start working on Pain Factory #2.

Why harm yourself to gain power when there are plenty of others? :smalltongue:

Optimystik
2010-03-17, 08:58 AM
Well, he's not preparing them... he just gets a certain number of powers he can use in a given day... and gets to choose which ones they are when he needs them, provided they're in his repetoir (either learned by leveling up, or by "scribing" them on his mind by spending a bit of XP).

I know it's not actual preparation - hence my putting the word in quotes.

It's functionally similar to preparing them - the only difference is that an Erudite does so on the fly, rather than in advance, at the start of the day, like a Wizard does. Committing a power to his UPD still has the opportunity cost of the other powers he could have committed to that slot, just like preparing a given spell has the opportunity cost of the other spells a Wizard could have prepared.

And it fits the theme of Tier 1 classes - prepared casters with expansive spell lists.

Quincunx
2010-03-17, 09:30 AM
. . .With that in mind, the best specialization is probably Telepath. All the specializations have at least one good power, but Telepath has half a dozen. You can always pick up the other stuff (Metamorphosis, Clairtangent Hand, and Hypercognition being the most irreplacable) with Expanded Knowledge. . .

Why, thank you, sir. Telepath with fate link known it'll be then, and plans A and B condensed into one.


Psionics is not great at helping other people in general, except to the extent of using Divination/Hypercognition to give them good advice. . .

Pfah, what's not beneficial about binding someone to the recipient of their actions? Instant moral feedback while-u-wait. :smallcool: If, for reasons unforeseen, I grow sympathetic myself, there's always the possibility to train as an officiant, then perform marriages and witness treaties that are guaranteed to last.

Araeliz
2010-03-17, 10:48 AM
"Good lord."



Wait, wait. If you're going to focus on colonizing other planets, why decimate the population of this one? Just move the excess people offworld until the climate can recover. Unless you're trying to be Ozymandias anyway :smalltongue:



How does this work?


I want better people, therefore, better settlers, so I don't have to babysit them until they achieve success. (Messing too much with natural selection might have dire consequences though...)

monkey3
2010-03-17, 11:21 AM
This, just this.

I really HATE politicians, so naturally the first thing i would do would be to wipe them all out.


This is proof that no supernatural force exist on earth. The fact that nothing bad happens to really bad people means no one has any more powers that you or I do.

If I ever what TV, and an anvil falls on the head of some lobbyist, then I know there is some chance, but until then, we'll have to stick to these threads.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 11:26 AM
This is proof that no supernatural force exist on earth. The fact that nothing bad happens to really bad people means no one has any more powers that you or I do.Aww, don't be such a pessimist! That merely suggest that there are no benevolent supernatural forces. :smallwink:

Lycanthromancer
2010-03-17, 11:41 AM
I want better people, therefore, better settlers, so I don't have to babysit them until they achieve success. (Messing too much with natural selection might have dire consequences though...)I rather think that 'natural selection' gave up on humanity once we learned things like 'bread mold can kill off infections' and 'it's okay to eat things that aren't technically food if you can extend peoples' lives by pumping them full of drugs and hooking them up to machines that breathe/pump blood/do the work of the kidneys for them'.

Blackfang108
2010-03-17, 11:51 AM
This is proof that no supernatural force exist on earth. The fact that nothing bad happens to really bad people means no one has any more powers that you or I do.

If I ever what TV, and an anvil falls on the head of some lobbyist, then I know there is some chance, but until then, we'll have to stick to these threads.

No, no, no.

Anvils are the SECOND thing to drop.

First?

Frozen Turkeys.

Ormur
2010-03-17, 01:41 PM
I'm pretty glad we don't have D&D psionics in the real world considering all the wannabe BBEG posting here, especially of the Evilutionary Biologist type. Hugo Drax has been there and done that.

I'd just do the usual get rich, live comfortably and try to better the world a little. Either that or I'd get mad with power and try to remake the world as a just and fair place, disposing of governments I dislike, hunting down criminals and invariably screw everything up because no one man can handle that kind of a responsibility or foresee all the consequences.

absolmorph
2010-03-17, 02:43 PM
As I said, I'd just become Pun Pun.
And give myself two abilities:
Omniscient (Ex): I know everything, ever, and can process and recall every piece of information.
Omnipotent (Ex): I am all-powerful.

I don't play God.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 02:46 PM
As I said, I'd just become Pun Pun.
And give myself two abilities:
Omniscient (Ex): I know everything, ever, and can process and recall every piece of information.
Omnipotent (Ex): I am all-powerful.You can't be both: if you know everything, you also know what you're going to do, so if you can't change it, you're not omnipotent, and if you can change it, you're not omniscient.

Optimystik
2010-03-17, 02:48 PM
You can't be both: if you know everything, you also know what you're going to do, so if you can't change it, you're not omnipotent, and if you can change it, you're not omniscient.

Ah, but what if you had known you were having been going to do that?
[/Farnsworth]

Greenish
2010-03-17, 02:52 PM
Ah, but what if you had known you were having been going to do that?[/COLOR]Then you wouldn't have done your mom. :smallcool:

Eldariel
2010-03-17, 02:52 PM
You can't be both: if you know everything, you also know what you're going to do, so if you can't change it, you're not omnipotent, and if you can change it, you're not omniscient.

That's not how future works, nor omniscience. Future has to, by default, be infinitely mutable if time goes both ways (such as in D&D; Teleport Through Time, etc.). You might be able to know the results of all your possible actions.

If we assume a bit different world, you'll know nothing of the future even as omniscient since the future does not exist until the moment it becomes present and you cannot know of anything inexistent.


And if we assume the one scenario where what you say would be true, it would be no fault of omniscience; in a world that follows only one path that's predetermined and does not sway from that path or have infinite parallel paths, you can still be omnipotent. At that point, you can do anything.

Just, all you decide to do has already been decided and if you're omniscient, every thought you get as a result of your omniscience has already been factored in and thus your actions remain the exact same even though you are omniscient. But this kind of world is pretty difficult to generate, since it's in effect only a movie.

Prime32
2010-03-17, 02:57 PM
I want better people, therefore, better settlers, so I don't have to babysit them until they achieve success. (Messing too much with natural selection might have dire consequences though...)Rather than Ozymindas, this sounds more like a different "Goldy". :smalltongue:
http://fuc.wdfiles.com/local--files/gilgamesh/gilgamesh530.png

Greenish
2010-03-17, 03:01 PM
That's not how future works, nor omniscience. Future has to, by default, be infinitely mutable if time goes both ways (such as in D&D; Teleport Through Time, etc.). You might be able to know the results of all your possible actions.Then you can't do anything you haven't foreseen, and are not omnipotent.

If we assume a bit different world, you'll know nothing of the future even as omniscient since the future does not exist until the moment it becomes present and you cannot know of anything inexistent.If there's something you don't know, you're not omniscient by definition. This goes even if there are things that cannot be known.

And if we assume the one scenario where what you say would be true, it would be no fault of omniscience; in a world that follows only one path that's predetermined and does not sway from that path or have infinite parallel paths, you can still be omnipotent. At that point, you can do anything.No, you can only do what you've foreseen yourself to do.

Just, all you decide to do has already been decided and if you're omniscient, every thought you get as a result of your omniscience has already been factored in and thus your actions remain the exact same even though you are omniscient. But this kind of world is pretty difficult to generate, since it's in effect only a movie.If you can't have free will, you're not omnipotent, because if you were omnipotent you could have free will. If all is predetermined, you could be omniscient, but you wouldn't be omnipotent.

Volkov
2010-03-17, 03:04 PM
I rather think that 'natural selection' gave up on humanity once we learned things like 'bread mold can kill off infections' and 'it's okay to eat things that aren't technically food if you can extend peoples' lives by pumping them full of drugs and hooking them up to machines that breathe/pump blood/do the work of the kidneys for them'.

We still have Sexual selection......somewhat...

We need to deal with those unfit people with low standards.

absolmorph
2010-03-17, 03:05 PM
You can be omniscient and omnipotent; you know every possible future, and what events lead to what future.
Your argument is invalid. Partly because a man somewhere has a suit of babies.

Volkov
2010-03-17, 03:06 PM
You can be omniscient and omnipotent; you know every possible future, and what events lead to what future.
Your argument is invalid. Partly because a man somewhere has a suit of babies.

I'll see your man with a suit of babies and raise you one worm that walks that is made out of puppies.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 03:08 PM
You can be omniscient and omnipotent; you know every possible future, and what events lead to what future.
Your argument is invalid.If you know every possible future, you can't do anything you haven't foreseen, and thus aren't omnipotent.
Partly because a man somewhere has a suit of babies.Is that right?

http://bostonbiker.org/files/2009/08/babycostume.jpg"No, it's not."

Eldariel
2010-03-17, 03:14 PM
If there's something you don't know, you're not omniscient by definition. This goes even if there are things that cannot be known.

It's a subtle difference, but in this case future does not exist. Of course you can't know things that don't exist, because they don't exist. There's nothing to know. You know there's no such thing as the future. You know everything, including that future does not exist and thus there's nothing to know there.


No, you can only do what you've foreseen yourself to do.

Which is all a part of the script. What you see yourself do is what you do because of what you see yourself do. Just like when you go back in time in such a setting, what you do you do because of what you knew of the future. It's all already built into the system.


If you can't have free will, you're not omnipotent, because if you were omnipotent you could have free will. If all is predetermined, you could be omniscient, but you wouldn't be omnipotent.

You have a free will. In such a world, everyone has a free will. They've just thought and done everything already; the world has already happened. As such, every decision they do based on their free will is eminently knowable. Since it all already happened.

This is what we call fictional "Type 1 universe". It has no obstacles upon your omnipotence; you have all the power in the world and can and will do anything. You have also already decided all "everything" you're going to do. That's just how Type 1 worlds work, and what makes them so "boring" (though they can be interesting when done right; see the "real" Terminators (before T3 and crap that came out since) or 12 monkies for examples).

Greenish
2010-03-17, 03:20 PM
It's a subtle difference, but in this case future does not exist. Of course you can't know things that don't exist, because they don't exist. There's nothing to know. You know there's no such thing as the future. You know everything, including that future does not exist and thus there's nothing to know there.If there is something that is unknowable, you can't be omniscient.

Which is all a part of the script. What you see yourself do is what you do because of what you see yourself do. Just like when you go back in time in such a setting, what you do you do because of what you knew of the future. It's all already built into the system.So you can't do anything differently. Hence, not omnipotent.

You have a free will. In such a world, everyone has a free will. They've just thought and done everything already; the world has already happened. As such, every decision they do based on their free will is eminently knowable. Since it all already happened.

This is what we call fictional "Type 1 universe". It has no obstacles upon your omnipotence; you have all the power in the world and can and will do anything. You have also already decided all "everything" you're going to do. That's just how Type 1 worlds work, and what makes them so "boring" (though they can be interesting when done right; see the "real" Terminators (before T3 and crap that came out since) or 12 monkies for examples).If everything has already happened, you can't change anything. If you're omniscient, you can't even have the illusion that you could, because you know everything you're going to do.

absolmorph
2010-03-17, 03:31 PM
If you know every possible future, you can't do anything you haven't foreseen, and thus aren't omnipotent.Is that right?

http://bostonbiker.org/files/2009/08/babycostume.jpg"No, it's not."
The part you seem to be missing is that you foresee EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE. If it's possible for you to do it (and, being omnipotent, the answer is yes), then you've foreseen yourself doing it. And you can choose between all the possibilities, and you know how to get to a specific end goal, regardless of how illogical or random it is. You want to have a religion dedicated to you without revealing your powers? You know how. You want to know how to get a "harem" (in the "a bunch of good-looking girls around you" sense, I mean) without using your omnipotence to create one? You know how.

Just an FYI, I'm using "you" to mean "the being who is omnipotent and omniscient". This not is for everyone else, because that being already knew this.

elonin
2010-03-17, 03:32 PM
Am I the only psionic?

Either way it ends up the same for the most part

1 Become a thrall heard

2 ?

3 profit

Also, I've always taken psionic fabricate +craft for easy money. Don't forget about making your own demiplane just in case things go awry.

Blackfang108
2010-03-17, 03:34 PM
So you can't do anything differently. Hence, not omnipotent.

Dr. Pantless is not the model you want to be looking at for O/O.

He CHOSE not to alter what he saw. it's never solidly stated that he ever actually tried.

Also, he's an author mouthpiece.

Eldariel
2010-03-17, 03:40 PM
If there is something that is unknowable, you can't be omniscient.

But the key is that there isn't anything to know. There is no future. It's not that you don't know the future, it's just that there's no future to know. Omniscience involves having all information. Every single piece. All.

It does not involve knowing things that don't exist since that's impossible; there's no information on those topics since there's nothing to know. In such a universe, future falls under these things. There's no future ergo there's nothing to know.


You know all about present so you can know all the paths the future can take and even which path it'll take, but as there's no future, you cannot know the future itself. You can just derive it all off your knowledge of the present.

And if there's some random element in existence in such a universe, your prediction can be wrong in spite of you knowing everything since the random element is not determined until the moment of the future. This in no way conflicts with your omniscience.

Also, we must remember the definition of omniscient:
"having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things."


In other words, it does not necessarily mean you know everything, but that you perceive everything; that you are aware of everything. By extension, in a world as outlined above, you'd only know everything in the present as that's the only thing that exists.


So you can't do anything differently. Hence, not omnipotent.

If everything has already happened, you can't change anything. If you're omniscient, you can't even have the illusion that you could, because you know everything you're going to do.

Omnipotent = You can do anything. The world in no way restricts that. You never chose to change any of that so you never changed everything. By definition, in such a world it's a matter of your choice; you can do whatever, but chose not to.

Hell, maybe at a point you chose to do everything. Then you did. You're omnipotent and hence able to do such. This all happened out of your choice and if you're omniscient, you knew it beforehand and afterwards.

Overall, I don't see what this "changing" you're talking about is; in such a world, you might know what you used to do and thus change it, and then you change it. But this already happened and you knew it happened. So you changed a point, but as you had already done that, you knew it would happen and knew how things would be afterwards too.

In effect, such a world in no way restricts your application of your infinite power or infinite knowledge (if we use that definition of Omniscience). You can do whatever the hell you please and in whatever way change what you did, but that's all a part of the script. Likeliest outcome would probably be the world ending as you knew how the world works and knew nothing would change so you just decided to end it all...which you of course knew you would do. Pretty funny how it all works, but nothing there contradicts your omniscience or omnipotence.


If you look at any film of such a world, the knowledge of the future is in no ways magically sealed in you; you're free to apply it and free to make decisions based on it. Just, turns out you did just that which is why everything turned out the way it did. And once you figure out that too, you can change it and turns out everything happened just the way it did 'cause you decided to change it. With omniscience and omnipotence, little is different. You can do whatever and already know what your choice of whatever is, based on your knowledge of everything including how the world works.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 03:42 PM
The part you seem to be missing is that you foresee EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE. If it's possible for you to do it (and, being omnipotent, the answer is yes), then you've foreseen yourself doing it.So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Also, for the record, "Dr. Pantless" doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like an awesome name for a supervillain. Who needs pants anyway?

Greenish
2010-03-17, 03:57 PM
But the key is that there isn't anything to know. There is no future. It's not that you don't know the future, it's just that there's no future to know. Omniscience involves having all information. Every single piece. All.So if there is something that you can't know (since "there's no information on those topics"), then it's impossible to be omniscient in such a setting. You either know, say, the consequences of your actions, or you don't. In the latter case, you're not omniscient.


And if there's some random element in existence in such a universe, your prediction can be wrong in spite of you knowing everything since the random element is not determined until the moment of the future. This in no way conflicts with your omniscience.If you do not know of the random element, and how it will affect things, then you don't know everything.

Also, we must remember the definition of omniscient:
"having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things."I'm going by the definition on Oxford's American Dictionary, since it happens to be handy. It defines "omniscience" as "knowing everything".
In other words, it does not necessarily mean you know everything, but that you perceive everything; that you are aware of everything. By extension, in a world as outlined above, you'd only know everything in the present as that's the only thing that exists.Different definitions would explain why neither of us seems to be getting their point across. (Though me being bullheaded is a definite option too.) :smallbiggrin:



Omnipotent = You can do anything. The world in no way restricts that. You never chose to change any of that so you never changed everything. By definition, in such a world it's a matter of your choice; you can do whatever, but chose not to.But you couldn't choose to change anything if you wanted. You could never even want to change anything, so you aren't actually able to do anything.

Hell, maybe at a point you chose to do everything. Then you did. You're omnipotent and hence able to do such. This all happened out of your choice and if you're omniscient, you knew it beforehand and afterwards.What if you chose to do something you couldn't undo? Then you either couldn't do it, or couldn't undo it, so you wouldn't be omnipotent.

Overall, I don't see what this "changing" you're talking about is; in such a world, you might know what you used to do and thus change it, and then you change it. But this already happened and you knew it happened. So you changed a point, but as you had already done that, you knew it would happen and knew how things would be afterwards too.So you can't do anything you don't know how to do (maybe because there aren't anything you don't know how to do). Thus there's something you can't do: you can't do anything you don't know how to do, and thus are not omnipotent.

In effect, such a world in no way restricts your application of your infinite power or infinite knowledge (if we use that definition of Omniscience). You can do whatever the hell you please and in whatever way change what you did, but that's all a part of the script.So you couldn't do anything that wasn't part of the script. (Because that would cause it to be part of the script.)

If you look at any film of such a world, the knowledge of the future is in no ways magically sealed in you; you're free to apply it and free to make decisions based on it. Just, turns out you did just that which is why everything turned out the way it did.So you can't do anything that would cause something to turn out the way it didn't. :smallconfused:

Ashiel
2010-03-17, 04:01 PM
So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Also, for the record, "Dr. Pantless" doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like an awesome name for a supervillain. Who needs pants anyway?

It's not that you can't do anything you haven't seen yourself do. It's that you haven't seen yourself do those things. You might know exactly what the outcome of virtually infinite possibilities will be based on your given actions. Your options of actions are likewise virtually infinite. Not taking an action doesn't make you incapable of doing that. If you can take an action, then you would see the potential future from that action's ripple.

In short, you see everything. There's no action you cannot take, and you've seen them all. The action that you do take is out of your free will. You can take that action because you can take any action.

This grants the "omni" being omnipotence, omniscience, and free will.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 04:08 PM
It's not that you can't do anything you haven't seen yourself do. It's that you haven't seen yourself do those things. You might know exactly what the outcome of virtually infinite possibilities will be based on your given actions. Your options of actions are likewise virtually infinite. Not taking an action doesn't make you incapable of doing that. If you can take an action, then you would see the potential future from that action's ripple.

In short, you see everything. There's no action you cannot take, and you've seen them all. The action that you do take is out of your free will. You can take that action because you can take any action.

This grants the "omni" being omnipotence, omniscience, and free will.Okay, I used "foresee" in the loose sense that you know what's going to happen.

You still can't do anything you don't already know you will do, or you don't already know what you will do.

Omnipotence also makes itself impossible: You can't do anything you can't undo, or you can't undo something you did.

[Edit]: Oh, and that one where you can't do anything you don't know how to do, because you know everything, so that's something you can't do. (If you're trying to be both omniscient and omnipotent.

Eldariel
2010-03-17, 04:16 PM
So if there is something that you can't know (since "there's no information on those topics"), then it's impossible to be omniscient in such a setting. You either know, say, the consequences of your actions, or you don't. In the latter case, you're not omniscient.

If you do not know of the random element, and how it will affect things, then you don't know everything.

I disagree here. If there's nothing to know in there, and you know everything, you are omniscient. Not knowing what does not exist does not preclude omniscience. In fact, knowing what does not exist would since...well, you're wrong as there's nothing to know so you can't. And if you're omniscient you can't be wrong

As for the random factor, it falls under the "future"-clause; the random factor does not exist until the future comes into being so you know it that very moment, but not a moment before. As such, you know everything while the future still comes in whatever shape it takes.


I'm going by the definition on Oxford's American Dictionary, since it happens to be handy. It defines "omniscience" as "knowing everything".

I found "state of being omniscient" as the primary definition and "omniscient" turned up what I quoted.


Different definitions would explain why neither of us seems to be getting their point across. (Though me being bullheaded is a definite option too.) :smallbiggrin:

There's a distinct possibility... Really, so much comes down to how you define not only omniscience and omnipotence, but what constitutes being able to do something and what doesn't


As for the second scenario, I'll rather just cover it all universally here from my viewpoint: "Being able to do what you did not do" is a kind of a meta-capability IMHO; I don't see it required for omnipotence.

The fact that you've already made the choices means that what you did not already do you did not want to do either, and as such the only reason that did not happen is your choice; what's the only difference here is perception. One might think one does the choices as one lives on, but in such a world, you did all the choices before you even existed. As such, you did everything you decided to do and to not do, and not anything you didn't decide to do.

And you can't "change" anything since you did not change anything; the problem isn't so much in your capabilities, but your decisions. You never wanted to change it, and thanks to your omniscience, you even know you never wanted to change it and never will. IMHO that doesn't really constitute a problem with regards to your capabilities; you're still able to do anything and free to think whatever and know everything - and then you've also already done all that, and decided how to use your infinite power and knowledge.


But as touched upon already before, this seems to be a question of viewpoint; you define "omnipotence" as a broader concept, in my eyes a metaconcept existing outside the limitations of "potence", than I and hence see obstacles where I see none.

In a similar vein, your concept of "omniscience" is different from mine in that you include knowledge that does not exist in your concept of omniscience; from my viewpoint, as that knowledge does not exist, being omniscient specifically determines that you do not know it since knowing it would just mean you're wrong on a point (have information that is not correct) and thus not omniscient.


But I think it's time for me to digress; I'd wager we've already gotten as far as we are about to get in this discussion. Truly, if we start from a different definition, chances are we'll never see eye-to-eye simply 'cause we're talking about different things.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 04:31 PM
I disagree here. If there's nothing to know in there, and you know everything, you are omniscient. Not knowing what does not exist does not preclude omniscience. In fact, knowing what does not exist would since...well, you're wrong as there's nothing to know so you can't. And if you're omniscient you can't be wrong

As for the random factor, it falls under the "future"-clause; the random factor does not exist until the future comes into being so you know it that very moment, but not a moment before. As such, you know everything while the future still comes in whatever shape it takes.

I found "state of being omniscient" as the primary definition and "omniscient" turned up what I quoted.Well, using definition where you "know everything", then if there's something that can't be known (even if it's because it doesn't exist), you can't know everything. Something will (most likely) happen in future: if you don't know what, you don't know everything.


As for the second scenario, I'll rather just cover it all universally here from my viewpoint: "Being able to do what you did not do" is a kind of a meta-capability IMHO; I don't see it required for omnipotence.I see being able to do anything as required for being omniscient by the definition of omniscience, so "being able to do what you did not do" should count.

The fact that you've already made the choices means that what you did not already do you did not want to do either, and as such the only reason that did not happen is your choice; what's the only difference here is perception. One might think one does the choices as one lives on, but in such a world, you did all the choices before you even existed. As such, you did everything you decided to do and to not do, and not anything you didn't decide to do.So you can't/couldn't have done anything you decided not to do, and you can't decide to do anything you didn't decide to do. That's a couple of things you can't do, which is enough to disqualify you from omnipotence.

And you can't "change" anything since you did not change anything; the problem isn't so much in your capabilities, but your decisions. You never wanted to change it, and thanks to your omniscience, you even know you never wanted to change it and never will.So you can never even want to have wanted to change anything.


IMHO that doesn't really constitute a problem with regards to your capabilities; you're still able to do anything and free to think whatever and know everything - and then you've also already done all that, and decided how to use your infinite power and knowledge.But if you know that you have already decided what you will do, you can't change that, or if you can, then you really didn't know what you thought you knew.

But as touched upon already before, this seems to be a question of viewpoint; you define "omnipotence" as a broader concept, in my eyes a metaconcept existing outside the limitations of "potence", than I and hence see obstacles where I see none.That would explain why we've filled the thread with off-topic musings (sorry 'bout that, folks). I think "omni-" is broad enough that nothing should be left outside it, but each for their own.

In a similar vein, your concept of "omniscience" is different from mine in that you include knowledge that does not exist in your concept of omniscience; from my viewpoint, as that knowledge does not exist, being omniscient specifically determines that you do not know it since knowing it would just mean you're wrong on a point (have information that is not correct) and thus not omniscient.Mnmm.

But I think it's time for me to digress; I'd wager we've already gotten as far as we are about to get in this discussion. Truly, if we start from a different definition, chances are we'll never see eye-to-eye simply 'cause we're talking about different things.Probably so. I don't think it says anything flattering about my character that I enjoyed it anyhow. :smallamused:

[Edit]: We didn't even fill a whole page!

Dante & Vergil
2010-03-17, 05:11 PM
I'd keep my abilities a secret for sure.
If there was no else as strong as me, vigilante work sounds pretty good, and if I feel like it, I'd watch the world burn...
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/Anubis89_2007/watchtheworldburn-1.jpg

SlyGuyMcFly
2010-03-17, 05:22 PM
So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Look at it another way:

a) Omnipotence = Can do anything
b) Omniscience = Knows all things

It then follows that since 'do something I didn't foresee' is, indeed, a thing, I can do it. Which ruins my 'foresees all things' act.

But consider this:

Since I foresee all things, I foresaw that too. It is, after all, a thing. I foresee all things. Even the ones I didn't foresee. This may appear to be a paradoxical statement, but that's where omnipotence comes in. I can do anything, even make this line of reasoning valid. So there.

Volkov
2010-03-17, 05:54 PM
So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Also, for the record, "Dr. Pantless" doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like an awesome name for a supervillain. Who needs pants anyway?

Except that you have foreseen yourself doing every possible thing in every possible situation.

Greenish
2010-03-17, 06:55 PM
As audience cheers "Encore! Encore!", the curtains open once more, and I step into this (off-)topic one last time.

Look at it another way:

a) Omnipotence = Can do anything
b) Omniscience = Knows all things

It then follows that since 'do something I didn't foresee' is, indeed, a thing, I can do it. Which ruins my 'foresees all things' act.

But consider this:

Since I foresee all things, I foresaw that too. It is, after all, a thing. I foresee all things. Even the ones I didn't foresee. This may appear to be a paradoxical statement, but that's where omnipotence comes in. I can do anything, even make this line of reasoning valid. So there.If you were omnipotent, you could make that line of reasoning valid, but it appears you're not. If you foresaw everything (including the things you didn't foresee), then you couldn't do anything you couldn't foresee.

Except that you have foreseen yourself doing every possible thing in every possible situation.Good point: you can't do impossible things either, because everything you can do is possible. And of course, you still can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. So much for that omnipotence…

I quote myself, since these seem to have been missed by some:
You still can't do anything you don't already know you will do, or you don't already know what you will do.

Oh, and that one where you can't do anything you don't know how to do, because you know everything, so that's something you can't do.

Omnipotence also makes itself impossible: You can't do anything you can't undo, or you can't undo something you did.That is more than enough derailing from me, if someone still feels like arguing, you can always PM me (though I can't guarantee I have anything more to add to what I've already said).

ZeroNumerous
2010-03-18, 01:02 AM
Ok, Greenish, I see where you're messing up. You don't quite understand the scale of omnipotence. Anything. Anything. Anything. Anything at all, period, can be done. 2+2=5 is possible with omnipotence. Logic and pitiful human understanding of the concept of 'anything' only gets in the way when you consider the possibilities of omnipotence. We cannot discuss omnipotence because a discussion would rely on logic, and logic cannot be applied to omnipotence as omnipotence does the paradoxical regularly. Anything considered impossible to you is possible to something with omnipotence.

So, to put it plainly, your logic does not apply to omnipotence because omnipotence breaks the logical working order of things.

icefractal
2010-03-18, 04:05 AM
You can't be both: if you know everything, you also know what you're going to do, so if you can't change it, you're not omnipotent, and if you can change it, you're not omniscient.You can't be either, because "become Pun-Pun" is not a general ability of psionic characters, it's a specific trick that relies on the existance of the badly-worded Sarrukh. No Sarrukh, no Pun-Pun. And where did all this "Spell to Power Erudite" business come from? The thread title even says "single-classed Psion".

Ok, I know, parade-raining and all that. But it's (IMO) more interesting to see what you can actually accomplish with what's there than by using the "Win (Ex)" button.


For instance, how long could you stick around, without somehow gaining XP (for a 20th level character, quite possibly impossible from any opponent that exists). Let's say you've got Astral Seed and Mind Switch (True Mind Switch doesn't help, because when you'll never have 10K free XP at a given time). You can switch six times, then you'll be level 14, too low to cast Astral Seed.

If we assume you get the Mind Switch victims as infants, and with the benefits of the best medical care available and True Metabolism you live to 100 in each one, and your original body still had 70 more years left, then that's a total of ~670 years.

Now that would be pretty evil, so let's say you only want to switch into the bodies of really horrible criminals or people who are brain-dead but on life support. I doubt you'll find many under 20, so that cuts you down to ~550 years. Less, but probably worth it - and you won't have to go through puberty six times.


There is one potential loophole in this. Mind Seed creates a version of you eight levels lower. While that's still too low for you to gain XP from defeating them, they could gain quite a bit from defeating you. So depending on whether nonlethal challenges grant XP, you could "power level" them up to your level by having a series of competitions in which you handicapped yourself enough for them to have a decent chance (or, for that matter, just have them fight your Astral Constructs). Then once your levels matched, you could compete with each other to provide a continuing source of XP. This is, however, the kind of thing that would be up to the DM whether it actually granted any XP - so I have no idea how that translates into this exercise.

Alternately, you could "play for keeps" and actually try to kill the duplicate with limited but still potentially lethal means until they were close enough to your level, then have a fight to the death so that one of you could actually gain XP. I don't think the numbers support this method though - I think you end up spending too much on Mind Seed to actually get ahead.

Blackfang108
2010-03-18, 08:50 AM
So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Also, for the record, "Dr. Pantless" doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like an awesome name for a supervillain. Who needs pants anyway?

It's a nickname for Dr Manhattan.

absolmorph
2010-03-18, 12:48 PM
So you can't do anything you haven't foreseen yourself doing. If there are things you can't do, you're not omnipotent.


Also, for the record, "Dr. Pantless" doesn't ring any bells, but sounds like an awesome name for a supervillain. Who needs pants anyway?
The problem with that statement? You've foreseen yourself doing it as a possible future. It doesn't matter what the action is. You're foreseen it.
Therefore, you have an infinite number of choices (since you're all-powerful and can do anything), and have foreseen an infinite number of futures, and are able to process and recall that information.
And you've foreseen yourself doing EVERYTHING, so it doesn't matter if you can or can't do something without foreseeing it happening; it's not a limit on your power, anyways. Therefore, "omnipotent" still applies.

Tyndmyr
2010-03-18, 01:33 PM
You can't be either, because "become Pun-Pun" is not a general ability of psionic characters, it's a specific trick that relies on the existance of the badly-worded Sarrukh. No Sarrukh, no Pun-Pun. And where did all this "Spell to Power Erudite" business come from? The thread title even says "single-classed Psion".

Ok, I know, parade-raining and all that. But it's (IMO) more interesting to see what you can actually accomplish with what's there than by using the "Win (Ex)" button.

If I'm a level 20 full caster in a modern world, ALL my buttons are "Win" buttons.

absolmorph
2010-03-18, 01:55 PM
If I'm a level 20 full caster in a modern world, ALL my buttons are "Win" buttons.
Does that mean I should push your buttons?

Kobold-Bard
2010-03-18, 02:48 PM
Does that mean I should push your buttons?

"I Win" buttons can also be called "You Lose" buttons.

Do you really want to push it? :smalltongue:

absolmorph
2010-03-18, 02:55 PM
"I Win" buttons can also be called "You Lose" buttons.

Do you really want to push it? :smalltongue:
Ah, but I'd be pushing an "I Win" button.
Saying anything more would start explaining the joke, and this isn't a joke that uses that, so I won't start explaining the joke and ruin the humor.

Optimystik
2010-03-18, 03:02 PM
"I Win" buttons can also be called "You Lose" buttons.

Do you really want to push it? :smalltongue:

But then I would lose the game!

Kobold-Bard
2010-03-18, 03:06 PM
But then I would lose the game!

You're a Level 20 Psion? You can just erase the game from people's minds.

absolmorph
2010-03-18, 03:08 PM
But then I would lose the game!

I got the game for my birthday, I no longer worry about losing it.

Nidogg
2010-03-18, 03:30 PM
Scince im that kinda cheesy person i would use all my psionics i.e permenatly ridding me of all psion levels to pump magic into the earth. Then re-level as... idunno, a sorceror or summat. Where's the fun in being all powerfull if there are no challenges?

Greenish
2010-03-18, 03:57 PM
Hey, peeps, even if there aren't any opponents worth exp, think about how much roleplaying exp you'd gain for being perfectly in character all the freaking time.

Oh, and always when I think of Dr. Manhattan, I imagine him in that snappy suit, which explains why I didn't get the reference. :smallwink:

ZeroNumerous
2010-03-18, 04:45 PM
Hey, peeps, even if there aren't any opponents worth exp, think about how much roleplaying exp you'd gain for being perfectly in character all the freaking time.

There isn't any roleplaying XP in RAW though. The point is moot, however, as there are ways to get XP without fighting or defeating any challenge-appropriate encounters.

Otodetu
2010-03-18, 05:05 PM
Sadly I would be a horrible dominate person abusing person in the start.

Then I am not to sure, maybe teleport around and discovering how the world REALLY works.

Eurus
2010-03-18, 05:11 PM
Well, plane shifting to the afterlife to figure out exactly what's up would probably be an immediate priority... Besides that, I'd probably just end up building a mansion on the moon and populating it with extinct and fictional animals. :smallbiggrin:

Iferus
2010-03-18, 05:18 PM
I'd be the power behind the throne on all of earth. In a good way. I'd figure out what would be the best course of action for everyone, and then "inspire" those who can make such plans work with the right ideas. I'd anticipate economic faillure, things like that.

Volkov
2010-03-18, 06:24 PM
I'd metamorphosize myself into this http://rol.heavengames.com/cpix/gameinfo/units/cuotl/czin_god_of_death.jpg Why? Because Rise of legends was an awesome game and Czin was a total badass. This would be my public face, I'd only stay in my natural form when dealing with my lovers.


I'd also advance the world so that we can fight sufficiently advanced aliens so I can gain XP.

Araeliz
2010-03-18, 09:58 PM
I would make posts asking what people would do if they had my powers and use their ideas to my advantage as they dreamed with the power that they will never achieve (but is in my hands right now).

Thrawn183
2010-03-18, 11:52 PM
I would go Nomad. This list does not include the expanded knowledge feats I would use.

1)
-Burst
-Catfall
-Far Hand
-Float
-Mind Thrust
2)
-Dimension Swap
-Biofeedback
-Detect Hostile Intent
-Psionic Tongues
3)
-Astral Caravan
-Body Adjustment
-Psionic Darkvision
-Body Purification
4)
-Psionic Fly
-Death Urge
-Psionic Dimension Door
-Psionic Divination
5)
-Psionic Teleport
-Teleport Trigger
-Adapt Body
-Psychic Crush
6)
-Mass Cloud Mind
-Psionic Disintegrate
-Psionic Overland Flight
-Temporal Acceleration
7)
-Psionic Ethereal Jaunt
-Psionic Moment of Prescience
-Oak Body
-Energy Wave
8)
-Mass Time Hop
-Shadow Body
-Psionic Greater Teleport
-True Metabolism
9)
-Psionic Teleportation Circle
-Affinity Field
-Assimilate
-Psionic Etherealness
-Microcosm

taltamir
2010-03-19, 07:22 AM
Or, for those of us lacking moral compunctions: Be a spell-to-power erudite. Learn the Liquid Pain spell. Drain enough poor saps to make an on-use item of it. Turn some poor sap into a zombie. Start working on Pain Factory #2.

Why harm yourself to gain power when there are plenty of others? :smalltongue:

or just do it to really bad people...

adecoy95
2010-03-19, 08:13 AM
makes me think of that xfiles episode were that guy used to get people to kill themselves with his mind.

GoC
2010-03-23, 07:24 PM
A better idea in my opinion is to set things up so that a band of ragtag, teenage heroes can interrupt my eternal reward when the world needs me most :smallwink:
Oooooh. This.

grautry
2010-03-23, 08:16 PM
Pun-Pun, obviously, if it's possible.

If not, use retraining rules in order to become a more optimal class(and get better feat selection etc.). :smallwink:

Kobold-Bard
2010-03-24, 05:22 AM
Pun-Pun, obviously, if it's possible.

If not, use retraining rules in order to become a more optimal class(and get better feat selection etc.). :smallwink:

Psion isn't exactly terrible.

Of course if I could be a StP Erudite and get the Chaos Shuffle as Powers that might come in handy.

grautry
2010-03-24, 09:20 AM
Psion isn't exactly terrible.

Of course if I could be a StP Erudite and get the Chaos Shuffle as Powers that might come in handy.

Of course it isn't, it's fantastic.

I'd willingly cut off my right arm if it meant that I could get the powers of a level 20 Psion(and nothing else whatsoever) in return.

But, as long as you have the possibility of taking a better choice then why not take it. :smallwink:

herbe
2010-03-24, 09:27 AM
Work hard to gain Xp to became epic(for fun:smallsmile:) then teach others to be psion. Plus wishes lottery scrying mindreading etc...