How does WH40K End? [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

Falconer

2010-03-25, 12:53 AM

Warhammer 40,000. An impossibly vast, unending, utterly grim and hideously dark conflict. As is, things are meant to be in balance. The Imperium is slowly losing ground, but their retreat is interrupted with enough victories to keep the factions balanced. The Tau manage to hold off the enemies of the Greater Good, but only just. The Orks are a constant threat, but not yet enough to rule the galaxy. Far beyond the Emperor or Chaos, the Status Quo is god here.

But lets say that changes. GW decides to end the whole thing in a singly, glorious, epic war. And they hand YOU complete creative control.

All the forces in the galaxy rally their forces. The Ruinous Powers of Chaos call forth all their horrors, all their strength. The Imperium's vast armies mobilize on a level never before seen, and there are even hints of the Emperor stirring on his Golden Throne. More Hive Fleets enter the galaxy from the void beyond. The Orks have come together in a WAAAAAAGH! of never-before-seen proportions. The horrendous legions of the Necrons awake from slumber all over the galaxy. The countless gambits of the Eldar hinge on this battle, which will either renew their race or doom them to extinction. The Tau have rallied their finest warriors to champion the Greater Good.

It's the final battle, the ultimate showdown. Every faction of the galaxy has brought its greatest might to bear. Who will triumph, and how?

Cue the metal. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0sW7KOFhU)

In short: who would you have win, how would you have them win (the more detail, the better), and roughly how epic would it be on a scale of 1 to 10?

chiasaur11

2010-03-25, 12:55 AM

The Orks...

Under Warboss Yarrick.

So, everybody, except the ones who are dead.

crazedloon

2010-03-25, 12:58 AM

the thing with the status quo in 40k is the faction which does the things you mention are the ones who win. If they all did it at the same time than you still have a stale mate.

Though if I had to put my money on any one faction it would be the orks

chiasaur11

2010-03-25, 01:00 AM

Alternately, Saint Cain.

The Chaos gods, Tyranids, Necrons, and Eldar all wonder why they didn't see it coming. The Orks die happy, a good enuff scrap finally had.

Texas_Ben

2010-03-25, 01:10 AM

Tau, Eldar, and Imperium get screwed hard in this fight, no way around it, they just don't have the numbers to scrap with the endless hordes of the Orks and Tyranids.

Which means it comes down to Tyranids, Orks, Necrons, and Chaos. Chaos is going to be significantly weakened by the killing-off of a large number of the sentient beings which enable the chaos gods to exist, so they probably are going to manage to be a sideshow at best. Necrons are pretty badass, but they're going to get worn down eventually... their numbers too, are finite.

That leaves us with the Orks, and the Tyranids. It's going to be a meat grinder, but I have to give it to the Tyranids here... every ork they kill, they can throw into a reclaimation pool and use them to make more tyranids. Eventually, the orks just aren't going to have any material available to make more orks out of.

Deca

2010-03-25, 01:13 AM

The Necrons succeed in their goal of sealing off the warp and destroying the souls of everyone in the galaxy.

Lord of the Helms

2010-03-25, 01:17 AM

Personally, the idea that I like best was one mentioned a couple of years ago here, along the lines of: Once the Orks unite in one giant massive galaxy-spanning WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!, their unified psyche makes Gork and Mork become manifest and more powerful than any other goddish-like entity (there are, after all, more Orks than humans, and they are FAR more dedicated to their purpose of WAAAAAAGH!!! than the humans are to their puny concepts like hope, lust, despair or brutality/honor), who promptly proceed to build a sufficient-Dakka weapon out of the Void Dragon, using the other C'tan gods as ammo, to bitchslap the Chaos Gods from this Galaxy to the next.

Now, someone with more fantasy than myself, or a better memory of whoever devised this awesome idea to begin with, please go on about how Gork and Mork will affect the Tyranids, how a reawakened Emperor fits into the mix, and what happens to the Eldar and what's left of their gods? I can't really see the Tau doing anything except getting swallowed up somewhere along the way, to be honest; they're neither big enough a player to really matter to the united Orks of the galaxy, nor do they have anything to put onto the battlefield of gods, being rather less than warp-sensitive.

Platinum_Mongoose

2010-03-25, 01:20 AM

I think, on a scale from one to 10, it would be Chuck Norris.

GolemsVoice

2010-03-25, 01:21 AM

If I could chose a faction, I'd give victory it to the Imperium of Man, no doubts. They have earned it the most, I say. And they are the coolest army. By which I'm talking about the Guardsman, endlessly struggling to keep the Imperium alife, and not the "Lolzpowerarour" Marines.

Deca

2010-03-25, 01:22 AM

To be honest, the only factions I can see winning is the Necrons, Chaos, the Tyranids or the Orks.

The Imperium is declining and dying slowly anyway.
The Tau just simply cannot effect anything on a galactic scale.
The Eldar and Dark Eldar are also declining like the Imperium, only even worse.

Maximum Zersk

2010-03-25, 01:32 AM

I think, on a scale from one to 10, it would be Chuck Norris.

Q.E.D.

Anyway, I would see the other races most likely dying off, with the Tyranids and the Orks merging into one Superbeing...

...you know, there was some speculation like this in the WH40K Fluff Discussion Thread. Go check in the newest or more recent ones. You'll find it there somewhere.

Lycan 01

2010-03-25, 01:50 AM

The Orks finally discover Enuf Dakka.

Blayze

2010-03-25, 02:27 AM

Gorkamorka finally comes crashing through the universe like an Ork Kool-Aid Man. Marines still win, because they're Marines. They aren't allowed to lose.

Comet

2010-03-25, 02:44 AM

As long as the end conflict involves extensive amounts of newly assembled Titan Legions, I'm happy.

Deca

2010-03-25, 02:55 AM

The Orks finally discover Enuf Dakka.

Dere is NEVAR enuff dakka!

Killer Angel

2010-03-25, 03:10 AM

I agree that the two last-standing factions will be Nids and Orks, for the mentioned reasons.
Who will be the final winner is debatable... my simpathy goes to the Tyranids, but I won't be surprised by an Ork victory.
Surely, they'll be the ones that enjoy more the massive carnage.

Eldan

2010-03-25, 03:13 AM

Well, the Eldar could always awaken the god of death and kill of Slaanesh. That's some degree of victory, at least. Perhaps they'd get a short time window to really blast around their psychic powers before a new god eats them.

So:
-The Eldar awaken the god of death.
-Slaanesh dies.
-The Eldar proceed to attack the Necrons with their psychic powers and push them back.
-The orcs finally rise up to their true destination as an old one superweapon, repelling both nids and necrons from this galaxy.
-A new chaos god arises and kills off all the eldar.
-The last remaining Necrons somehow use this opportunity to seal off the warp in a last ditch effort, thereby dooming the empire to collapse as a million of now isolated planets die out or become independent planet states. The Dark Eldar die as the webway disappears.
-Then, somehow, the Tau manage to profit from this all.

Remaining races and their condition:

Necrons: massively weakened, but still there.
Humans: mass starvation as agricultural planets are cut off from hive worlds and guard legions can't sustain themselves. Mass madness and death as the warp vanishes. Psykers go out in blazes of glory.
Tau: business as usual, but the scary enemies are gone. The remaining human worlds are still a threat, as are the necrons.
The Orks: who knows.

Ganurath

2010-03-25, 03:15 AM

Whatever happens, it would involve saying Tzeentch to an Anathename and stabbing the Emperor with it. The Chaos God of Hope dies, the Emperor takes the power he fed on while simultaneously being rid of the curse, and begins wiping out the Inquisition alongside the Space Marines. The Eldar sit back to watch at first because they still can't believe their plan worked, the Deceiver is thrown off by the sudden shift in the balance, and the forces of Chaos are in disarray because the only chapters specifically devoted to a deity other than Tzeentch are either the Death Guard, who's god would be weakened by the sudden surge of hope in the Imperium, or have been wiped out by Kharn the Betrayer.

The Tau, being interstellar newbies, are quick to respond by sending a Water Caste delegation lead by an Ethereal to speak with the now awake and apparently more reasonable Emperor of mankind. The Emperor commends them for having stumbled upon an alien varient of the Imperial Truth, and offers to work with them in cleansing the galaxy of threats to peace and progress. The Imperial Fleet is sent to engage the Tyranid swarms to aid in the defense of the Tau worlds, while Psykers and Enginseers help get the Tau fleets to where their Warp resistance is most useful: Chaos territory.

Seeing a genuine opportunity for the scales to tilt, the Eldar respond by getting some Ork WAAAGH!!!s directed at the Deceiver's forces, Tyranid elements that slip by the Imperial Guard and local Tau defenders, and with the assistance of their own Aspect Warriors a massive siege on Commoragh, if only to keep the Dark Eldar from disrupting things.

The Tau, their Vespid allies and Grey Knights lay siege on the Eye of Terror, slowly gaining ground due to being selected from those best suited to fight Chaos Space Marines. Imperial Guardsmen and Kroot mercenaries use proper tactics to beat back the Tyranid swarms, with the aid of Eldar harriers. Space Marines keep the peace as the Inquisition devours itself from the inside. The Eldar keep the sleeping tigers from having a chance to wake up before they're addressed.

40K, you will Earn Your Happy Ending.

blueblade

2010-03-25, 03:20 AM

I agree with the statements that Eldar, Tau and Human factions are at a disadvantage ultimately, and will fall first. Their defining feature is cohesion and organisation. Giving that advantage to the Orks, Necrons and Tyranids (i.e. having them fully mobilised and acting together and at once) is imbalancing.

And as said, Chaos needs Humans and Eldar. Without them, they lose power.

So comes down to Orks, Nids and Necrons:

Tyranids
+ Unknown, possibly limitless numbers
- Slow space travel
- No gods

Orks
+ Near limitless numbers, and incredible breeding potential
+ The Waaagh is basically limitless in fluff
- The only limitation would be how much power a single warboss could ever have. So their end state might be unattainable.

Necrons
+ Unknown, possibly limitless numbers in the Tomb Worlds
+ Living Metal
+ The C'tan have a 1-0 record against the universe
- Slow (could equally be called relentless and made an advantage)

Overall, I give it to the Necrons. Who else?

Comet

2010-03-25, 03:24 AM

To be honest, I really think it should, ultimately and through some strange twists of fate, come down to Mankind versus the Orks.

That's where it started, that's where it should end.

Eldan

2010-03-25, 03:41 AM

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, the company known as Games Workshop knows only profit. Fueled by the incomes of a thousand million fans, they rule from their headquarters in england over a waste merchant empire.
But in the last days of the century, powers shifted. As the Workshop declared that all armies but space marines would be discontinued due to falling profits, a new army appears in the game: the disappointed fans of all other races unite, together casting down the tyranny of the space marines and the xenophobic empire.

And then everyone lived together in peace and harmony. The End :smallbiggrin:

Brother Oni

2010-03-25, 07:44 AM

Orks
+ Near limitless numbers, and incredible breeding potential
+ The Waaagh is basically limitless in fluff
- The only limitation would be how much power a single warboss could ever have. So their end state might be unattainable.

I believe that there was a warboss that got so big and powerful that it took the Emperor himself AND a Primarch to kill it.

If all the orks united into a massive single universe wide Waaagh and generated a single warboss of that power level, what do the Tyranids have to counter it, except more numbers?

bosssmiley

2010-03-25, 07:58 AM

The overlooked Jokaero rebuilt in the galaxy-spanning wreckage of what went before. The Old Ones smile. Exactly as planned.

Faleldir

2010-03-25, 09:12 AM

Frankly I'm amazed the Tau aren't dead yet. Doesn't their doctrine prevent them from having good melee weapons, genetic engineering, and REALLY giant robots? That's not very smart.

Closet_Skeleton

2010-03-25, 09:22 AM

-The Eldar awaken the god of death.
-Slaanesh dies.
-The Eldar proceed to attack the Necrons with their psychic powers and push them back.

Except that awakening the Eldar god of death requires all eldar to be dead.

So...

The last eldar dies of old age and joins the infinity matrix.

The Emperor dies, an army of daemons leap forth from the webway and raise the palace, the astronomicon goes out and the Imperium dissolves into nothing without a struggle.

Abaddon leads his last black crusade and takes Terra, but finds it completely pointless as all the real work has been done without him lifting a finger. His gathered legions then destroy each other.

The Tyranids are found to have been fleeing from the C'tan Outsider, who completely obliterates them with his super necrons. All Necrons and C'tan awake, seal off the Eye of Terror and then start devouring each other, leaving only the Deciever.

The orks go after the necrons but are all wiped out, not that they care because it was a good fight.

The Tau Empire expands massively as the isolated planets of the former Imperium fall into line, but just as they attempt to take on the necrons commander Farsight exposes the Ethereals as corrupt and the Tau Empire is destroyed in a civil war.

Nurgle sees that the necrons will wipe out all life in the galaxy and tries to stop them, but as the C'tan Deciever and an army of Pariah kills him he realises Tzeentch tricked him. Yet just as the Deciever thinks himself victorius his part biological pariah all die from diseases escaping Nurgle's corpse.

The entire population of the universe fall into despair and Tzeentch goes "just as planned" and and army of daemons pours forth and the necrons just as they are about to seal off the warp forever.

Slannesh becomes the ascendant chaos god and kills khorne to usurp his position.

A child with unlimited psychic potential is born on a backwater human planet. By the age of 20 he has conquored a small empire and rumors of a reborn emperor spread throughout the galaxy.

Cypher units an army of fallen angels and attempts to reach the supposed reborn emperor, but finds the dark angels stopping him. The Dark Angels reveal Luther who repents and asks the fallen angels to all surrender. Cypher replies by claiming himself to be Luther and the Dark Angels to have been hiding their fallen primarch for millenia. The Space Wolves show up and with the dark angels distracted Cypher escapes.

Cypher confirms the Emperor to have been reborn and gains absolution for the fallen angels. The Emperor then goes to Macragge, takes Robrute Guilliman out of stasis and heals him. The Dark Angels are split with some joining Cypher and others falling to chaos. The Blood Angels manage to throw off the Black Rage and become Mephiston uber. Farsight's Tau show up and agree to help the Emperor. Leman Russ returns from the warp and joins the emperor and all the surviving space marines go off to have one last fight with tzeentch.

The Eldar Pheonix Lords appear from the webway leading an army of Avatars and attack Slannesh. Slannesh defeats them easily and destroys the craftworlds and their spirit stones but as he devours their souls he discovers a trap and dissolves into nothingness and the sound of the laughing god echoes through the void.

Tzeentch refuses to face the Emperor and overwhelms his opponents with a limitless army of daemons. Just as victory is in his grasp he wipes realises that the Emperor was never actually reborn and that a universe where only Tzeentch exists isn't the universe he actually wants. Board by the prospect of total victory, Tzeentch commits suicide and the entire multiverse ceases to exist.

ZeroNumerous

2010-03-25, 09:34 AM

How does WH40K End?

Poorly. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CollectiveGroan)

EleventhHour

2010-03-25, 09:46 AM

If we assume a few ridiculous theories are true, the Necronids take it, sealing off the warp, and consuming all life in the galaxy before using thier super non-WarpFTL to go murder another galaxy.

Explaination :

First off, the C'Tan are the only real "gods" in the 40Kverse, seeing as they've been around since the universe (or at least the 40K Galaxy) began billions upon billions of years ago, munch on stars as a snack, and think that souls are like a paticularly tasty version of caramel popcorn. They laid the smackdown on the Old Ones, who created Orks and Eldar to combat them, but eventually lost when the Enslavers managed to spontaneously create themselves out of the mess of Warp energy that the OO's were fiddling with.

The C'Tan did get beaten down, mostly by the Blackstone Fortresses (most of the known ones of which have been wrecked, now), and the latently Warp-Powerful Orkz. The Necrons, being weak against psykers, have to seal off the Warp. In the meantime, the Laughing God of the Eldar manages to convince the Deciever (Or maybe the Deciever is just a mean, mean bastard), into consuming thier fellow C'Tan for extra power. Long story short, there were four left, only three really ever covered in the fluff. The insanity that this victory is based on, is the fourth, mostly unmentioned, C'tan.

The Void Dragon, being inherently part of the Mars Mechanicus is in a crucial positon to topple the Imperium, if released. (The Necrons appearntly already tried and failed, but came pretty close seeing as thier ship crashed on Mars, but was dead by that point.) The Emperor is slowly dying in the "newest" fluff, which means at some point the Golden Throne will continue being the Astronomicon itself, since he's more of a guide at the moment, anyway. With the Emperor gone, the VD is less threatened, and has a better chance of coming back.

The Nightbringer and Deciever are already in the galaxy at large, up to twelve kinds of mischief and horror, and are likely to just continue on incinerating worlds and constructing thier pylons to close off the warp. Which brings us to #4, the Outsider. Now, the C'tan had been taking an eons long nap, and are just now starting to wake up (10,000 years is a relatively short time to beings that have exsisted for billions of years), and what new race shows to bother the galaxy? Tyranids. With the Shadow of the Warp, which is a naturally anti-psyker ability. They also avoid Tomb Worlds, the reasonable anwser is because there's no munchies there. The insane paranoia anwser is that it's because the Outsider doesn't like his(Her/it's), relatives much, and prefers to lead his giant horde of soulless flesh as the vastly powerful "hive mind" that noone will ever see. Or at least, see and live.

So, with the Outsider bearing down, the Emperor dead, and likely for timings' sake at the same time as another Black Crusade, the Necrons start to appear en masse, and if they can somehow come to an agreement to live (moderately) socially with each other in the galaxy, you'll have Necrons with massive meatshield walls of unending numbers. The Shadow of the Warp + Pylons could suppress even the WAAAGH, as it's a technical psychic field of PURE FAITH IN DA BOYZ!, and alterable by shutting down the Warp. The Black Crusade will likely do better this time around, especially since when it looks like all is lost for Chaos, the VD can take out the Imperial supply. Getting to Terra like they want to, however is going to be impossible, seeing as the VD will likely be Pyloning up the place, and subjagating the Terrans.

Eldar are already dying, and with the Pylons popping up all over, the Webway will get disrupted at some point, and bit by bit they'll be losing the places where it's safe to store thier souls away from Slaanesh. When the last of the Eldar finally fall, the Prince of Lust gains a massive power bonus that it's been trying to get for millenia, and confronts the likely massive Khorne*, seeing as the galaxy is even more in flames than usual. All hope is dying out at this point, so Tzeentch will be left with plotting, while he shrinks from his position at the top of the totem pole, to nearly the bottom. Nearly, because Nurgle won't have much life left with the Necrons and Tyranids consuming all life. (Or all life with souls, which is what matters to the Warp.)

Dark Eldar share much the same fate as thier lighter cousins, while Tau, as a failed Necron or Eldar experiment, and happening to be on the Eastern Fringe, get nommed by the Tyranids. Blanks from the human stock get to live better, since thier a Pariah-Necron insert, or live better until thier needed to make the AntiWarp Living Skeleton Troops for the C'tan to use as they finish off the galaxy, with all the major psyker races having the heck beaten out of them.

* And seeing as Khorne is a woman, this will probably be full of squick, and chainaxes.

The Glyphstone

2010-03-25, 10:52 AM

To be honest, I really think it should, ultimately and through some strange twists of fate, come down to Mankind versus the Orks.

That's where it started, that's where it should end.

Truly, though, if you want to go back to 'where it started', the final battle should end up being between Space Marine Terminators and Genestealers. On a Space Hulk.

Comet

2010-03-25, 10:56 AM

Truly, though, if you want to go back to 'where it started', the final battle should end up being between Space Marine Terminators and Genestealers. On a Space Hulk.

*does a quick Wikipediarun* Wow, apparently it is so.
And an ending like that would be awesome.

Dervag

2010-03-25, 12:21 PM

Ooh. This is tricky. Someone on this forum suggested a really great ending a year or so back; I'll go dig for it when I have the time. Watch this space my next post.

WhiteHarness

2010-03-25, 02:19 PM

How are you not going to root for the humans?

Platinum_Mongoose

2010-03-25, 02:24 PM

Humans in 40k are sorta douchebags. I'm rooting for Tau.

Talkkno

2010-03-25, 02:35 PM

Humans in 40k are sorta douchebags. I'm rooting for Tau.

"Do you think me weak, flawed? Do you hate me for setting my
inquisitorial role above the needs of one agonised being?
If you do, I commend you. I think of that woman still, and hate the
fact I left her to die slowly. But if you hate me, I know this about
you... you are no inquisitor. You don't have the moral strength.
I could have finished her, and my soul might have been relieved. But
that would have been an end to my work. And I always think of me
thousands... millions perhaps... who would die worse deaths but for my
actions.
Is that arrogance?
Perhaps... and perhaps arrogance is therefore a virtue of the
Inquisition. I would gladly ignore one life in agony if I could save a
hundred, a thousand, more...
Mankind must suffer so that mankind can survive. It's that simple." -Eisenhorn. :smallwink:

Surrealistik

2010-03-25, 02:36 PM

* And seeing as Khorne is a woman, this will probably be full of squick, and chainaxes.

Wait, what?

EleventhHour

2010-03-25, 02:38 PM

Wait, what?

Blood God. Think about it for a minute.

Surrealistik

2010-03-25, 02:39 PM

Lol. I see wut u did thar.

chiasaur11

2010-03-25, 02:46 PM

How are you not going to root for the humans?

This is Warhammer 40K. How do you root for anybody?

Except for CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, a'course.

Oslecamo

2010-03-25, 02:51 PM

Frankly I'm amazed the Tau aren't dead yet. Doesn't their doctrine prevent them from having good melee weapons,

Who needs melee weapons when you have the best firepower in the galaxy? Taus shoot their enemies dead before they can reach melee, and if they're too much, the Tau simply pull back, rinse and repeat, instead of trying to do some useless pointy stick stand.:smallcool:

genetic engineering,

Actualy, only the humies, nids and chaos do those. And only the nids do it well, as half the time both chaos and humies end up geting bloodthirsty monsters who think only of charging into battle.

Orks, eldars and necrons rely mostly on technology to improve their warriors, and they're all doing pretty well.:smallbiggrin:

and REALLY giant robots?

Tau fighters can shoot down titans on 1x1 duels (Imperial Armor III). Emperor have mercy on our souls if the Taus get REALLLY giant robots.:smalltongue:

That's not very smart.

Trust me, smarts is the main thing keeping Tau in the game, as they're horribly outresourced by everybody else.:smallamused:

However, the end of 40K already has been decided.

Below is the vision of an old eldar farseer. She dares not share with anyone because it would lead the eldars to fall into despair and mass suicide in order to don't live to see this fatidic future.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/57912723/Looted_Golden_Throne_by_Jaekyu.jpg
LOOTED GOLDEN THRONE READY FOR COMBAT!

Where's your god-emperor now?

Talkkno:thing is, inquisitors don't kill some to save lots. They kill some to kill lots. One dude managed to divert a whole need fleet from the imperium, and the Inquisition thanked him by ordering his capture and execution. Tau offer alliances and trade pacts against common enemies? Kill them all. And the humies who dared to speak with them. No, it doesn't matter our common enemies are knocking at our doors.

"A pleas of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!"

SuperMuldoon

2010-03-25, 02:55 PM

Just as Holy Terra is about to fall to the many enemies of the Imperium, the Emperor is reborn on the holy throne, stands up, gathers his remaining Praetorian guards and says "LETS DO THIS" and wins the universe.

Maximum Zersk

2010-03-25, 02:56 PM

Eldan

2010-03-25, 02:59 PM

Wasn't there some fanfic where it turned out that the emperor was Captain Jack Harkness and the Doctor came and healed him?

Talkkno

2010-03-25, 03:02 PM

Talkkno:thing is, inquisitors don't kill some to save lots. They kill some to kill lots. One dude managed to divert a whole need fleet from the imperium, and the Inquisition thanked him by ordering his capture and execution. Tau offer alliances and trade pacts against common enemies? Kill them all. And the humies who dared to speak with them. No, it doesn't matter our common enemies are knocking at our doors.

"A pleas of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!"
Uh huh, that arrcutely describes Monodomaists, but they are a fringe group within the Inquistion :smallannoyed: The fact is there are even fractions with the Inquisition such as Xanites, Xeno Hyrpris, Secolus Attendous that make your statement blatantly false. :smallamused:

Dark Hersey Ascension even remarks that only the most hard lined of the Puritains would ever reject a allaince with good cause. The Codex Imperilis clearly states that the Eldar coorparate with the Imperium on a regular basis.

Maximum Zersk

2010-03-25, 03:04 PM

Found the one in the Fluff Discussion Thread.

How had it come to this?

It had all begun when the ork spores gained control of the hive fleets, spawning a new race of titanic orks who crushed all in their way.

Holy Terra fell, and the remaining human forces fell in despair as they faced the "Looted Golden Throne" as the new vanguard of the orknid forces.

However, at the same time, the necrons fully awakened, and the eldars had fully fused themselves with the webway, spawning a race of sentient constructs.

This awakened the Void Dragon, who proceeded to reclaim control of most of the imperium technology, and the eldar constructs, rallying togheter with the Deceiver, the Doombringer, Khaine of the Bloodied Hand and The Laughing god as a massive cold precise army.

The following conflict destroyed most of the galaxy. The Necroneldar cleansed whole systems in order to starve the orknids, who couldn't replenish their forces with this new enemy.

In the Warp, Khorne meanwhile finally decided to use sorcery and killed the other three gods. The fool. Whitout them, chaos become too ordery, and Khorne himself imploded, leaving the Warp as a completely uncontroled force wich burned itself out as the number of sentient beings the galaxy dwindled.

The orknids had been crushed by the Necroneldar, wich could regenerate their metal bodies indifinetely. They then turned in the remaining humies, deciding to finaly take their prize.

But then apeared the full force of the Tau Empire. Since the humies were unable to do prevent this destiny, then the Tau would have to do it. Even if they all had to sacrifice themselves to do so. As long as some mortals survived in the end, the Greater Good would prevail.

The Tau were horribly outnumbered and outgunned, but every one of them had packed himself with powerfull new explosives that could even kill gods. With precise suicide strikes, they cut their way to the leaders of the Necroneldar.

The last crisis suit impaled itself in the Deceiver's claws, before self destrucing and rendering the Necroneldar as a forest of still machines whitout orders.

Some humies remain in one backaway planet. No emprah. No spech merines. In the grimdarkness of the future, there is only...Nothing.

Eldan

2010-03-25, 03:07 PM

Not dark enough. Someone needs to survive to torture and kill them for their own good.

Maximum Zersk

2010-03-25, 03:08 PM

I think that was the irony of it. After all that, the humans still survived.

And as I remember, Eldan, you posted right after Oslecamo with "See also, Warhammer 50K: Sticks and Stones on Terra."

crazedloon

2010-03-25, 03:30 PM

I think that was the irony of it. After all that, the humans still survived.

And as I remember, Eldan, you posted right after Oslecamo with "See also, Warhammer 50K: Sticks and Stones on Terra."
you mean warhammer fantasy :smalltongue:

Eldan

2010-03-25, 03:46 PM

Not really...
I mean, Terra clearly has no plants left to make sticks from. :smalltongue:

Ravens_cry

2010-03-25, 04:07 PM

Not really...
I mean, Terra clearly has no plants left to make sticks from. :smalltongue:
Bones and stones then.
Actually, I think it's going to end with the Chaos Gods, having lost all sources of nourishment with the extinction of all life and life like things in the galaxy, decide to do sitcom entitled 'So. . .Chaotic'. Hilarity Ensues as they learn to laugh and live. . .together!
Airing this Monday on FOX!

gooddragon1

2010-03-25, 04:16 PM

The Necrons.

Vs tyranids: They have nothing convertable and they just keep coming back. They deploy methods to exterminate all useable organic material.

Vs Orks: Their anti life machines will take care of the spores, while they exterminate the living.

Vs the warp: technological shutdown and deprivation of followers

Vs pretty much everything: Kill it, let the anti life machines take care of anything you missed, move on.

There will be nothing left.

Emperor Ing

2010-03-25, 04:17 PM

What's gonna happen at the end of 40k?

All the necrons awaken and the C'tan awaken

The Tau unleash their new and devastating technology

The Tyranid Main Hive Fleet arrives

The Chaos Gods join Failbaddon in his 258th crusade

The Eldar achieve psychic perfection

The Dark Eldar have already been eradicated

The Orks unite

The Emperor is reborn as the Sensei-Emperor (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sensei) and leads the Imperium in it's final crusade as the surviving primarchs return.

The 40k universe gets swallowed by a huge black hole caused by a colossal explosion of too much awesomeness.

BRC

2010-03-25, 04:33 PM

On a planet in the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Long forgotten.

For millenia the Orks have been sending stuff here, nobody is quite sure why, and nobody even cares.
The Imperium calls the planet X3-725. They know nothing about it, and they don't particuarly care. It's forgotten, existing only on a few star charts. A heap of rock amongst millions.

Then, one day, a Mek connects two wires. The final two wires in a massive machine, a machine made out of every piece of scrap the Orks have been sending. A Machine that dwarfs the greatest imperial ships in it's scale and the most advanced tau technology in it's complexity. A Machine that was spoken about often, but only as a theoretical ideal.

As the Mek makes the connection, he looks around, and seeing that there is nothing else to do, runs to tell his boss. A great cheer goes up, and the boss, an Orkish mek the size of a Gargant, trundles over the machine (Which has covered most of the planet at this point), with it's countless barrels, pods, coils, and unidentifiable weapons pointed up. The Mek then pushes a button, and the machine Activates. Spewing a massive wave of ammunition of all shapes and sizes out, it continues, spraying everwhere, wiping out entire planets. Some of the ammunition enters the Warp, and begins appearing elsewhere. Stars start going supernova all over the galaxy, planets break apart under it's assault, their chunks flying out to destroy others. And still, it keeps firing. Again and again.

As this is happening, as all life in the galaxy is being eliminated under the assault of this apocalyptic weapon, the mek smiles and says, with a tear in his eye:

"We did it boyz. We gots enuf Dakka"

Ravens_cry

2010-03-25, 04:36 PM

Lies
NEVA ENUFF DAKKA! ! !

BRC

2010-03-25, 04:36 PM

NEVA ENUFF DAKKA! ! !
I didn't say the Mek was Correct.

ZeroNumerous

2010-03-25, 04:36 PM

"We did it boyz. We have enuf Dakka"

And then the Warboss crumps him.

"Ya idjit, we can't haf enuf Dakka!"

Ecks Dee

2010-03-25, 04:42 PM

At the end of the last turn, if the Emperor does not roll a 4, 5, or 6?

chiasaur11

2010-03-25, 04:45 PM

At the end of the last turn, if the Emperor does not roll a 4, 5, or 6?

What if he rolls... A SEVEN?

BRC

2010-03-25, 04:47 PM

What if he rolls... A SEVEN?
Poetryhammer 40k
In the grim future of the 41st millenium, there is ONLY IAMBIC PENTAMETER!

Eldan

2010-03-25, 04:49 PM

Dunh-dunh-daaaaaah.

Oslecamo

2010-03-25, 05:02 PM

Not dark enough. Someone needs to survive to torture and kill them for their own good.

Ah, yes, forgot that part, sorry.

Some inquisitors survived as well. They blame the last humie survivors on what hapened. Wich must now hide in deep caves, because the "big mens wich breath fire" roam the plains, still reciting passages from their long burned books, not stoping untill every last spark of life in the galaxy has been tortured to the point of madness and ended. Everybody expects the Imperial Inquisition!

BRC

2010-03-25, 06:39 PM

Having been informed that my theory relies on a blatant impossibility, I have updated it.

On a planet in the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Long forgotten.

For millenia the Orks have been sending stuff here, nobody is quite sure why, and nobody even cares.
The Imperium calls the planet X3-725. They know nothing about it, and they don't particuarly care. It's forgotten, existing only on a few star charts. A heap of rock amongst millions.

Then, one day, a Mek connects two wires. The final two wires in a massive machine, a machine made out of every piece of scrap the Orks have been sending. A Machine that dwarfs the greatest imperial ships in it's scale and the most advanced tau technology in it's complexity. A Machine that was spoken about often, but only as a theoretical ideal.

As the Mek makes the connection, he looks around, and seeing that there is nothing else to do, runs to tell his boss. A great cheer goes up, and the boss, an Orkish mek the size of a Gargant, trundles over the machine (Which has covered most of the planet at this point), with it's countless barrels, pods, coils, and unidentifiable weapons pointed up. The Mek then pushes a button, and the machine Activates. Spewing a massive wave of ammunition of all shapes and sizes out, it continues, spraying everwhere, wiping out entire planets. Some of the ammunition enters the Warp, and begins appearing elsewhere. Stars start going supernova all over the galaxy, planets break apart under it's assault, their chunks flying out to destroy others. And still, it keeps firing. Again and again.

As this is happening, as all life in the galaxy is being eliminated under the assault of this apocalyptic weapon, inevitably the device itself begins to break. The planet itself, already strip mined for materials, begins shattering under the recoil of the massive cannons. Orks spill off into pits of lava or are flung out into space. As it destroys the universe, it destroys itself.
While this is happening, the Mek in charge scowls with disappointment and begins re-examining his plans. He then sighs and, moments before he is destroyed by an exploding cannon, he speaks the last words in galaxy.
"It's good, but it needs more Dakka".

Platinum_Mongoose

2010-03-25, 09:41 PM

Civilizations die and reality burns in the culmination of thousands of years of battle. Every army will be locked in combat in orbit over a galaxy-wide Warp rift. The entirety of space tears itself apart. Fade to awesome.

Deca

2010-03-26, 03:19 AM

Orks discover Spiral Power.

Game over man, Game over!

Eldan

2010-03-26, 03:34 AM

Destro_Yersul

2010-03-26, 03:37 AM

The power of my beard's manliness revives the Emperor. He fixes Imperial policy, signs peace treaties with the Tau and Eldar, and cleanses the forces of darkness from the galaxy with an army of bearded Space Marines in Soulstone Powered Battlesuits. :smalltongue:

Texas_Ben

2010-03-26, 03:39 AM

Someone with art skills draw an Ork warboss wielding a katana and wearing Kamina's cloak and sunglasses. DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

Deca

2010-03-26, 03:45 AM

But the Waagh! is spiral power. The orks get bigger and stronger the more they believe in themselves. Their technology is nonsensical from a scientific aspect, but still works, powered by sheer balls and willpower. They never give up, and they never lose.

You tell me they still need to discover it? Their version might not be quite as strong as TTGL's, but they do have it alright.

Well, it's similiar but not really the same.

I mean, if mere humans can harness Spiral Power to make Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, what could an Ork, whose hot-bloodedness naturally exceeds that of nearly any human, do with the same power?

Gurran Lagann is pretty much the typical Orkish fantasy of finding Enuff' Dakka. Except their won't be humans and mechas, there'll be Orks and souped-up Gargants. And the Anti-Spirals will pretty much give up and commit suicide before the first episode is over.
Giving the Orks over 20 more episodes of just going into space and crumping the other Spiral races.

ZeroNumerous

2010-03-26, 04:29 AM

Someone with art skills draw an Ork warboss wielding a katana and wearing Kamina's cloak and sunglasses. DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

Google, it's sort of this magic box that answers any questions you have (http://th09.deviantart.net/fs17/300W/f/2007/192/b/e/Gorkken_Morkann_by_Jaekyu.jpg). :smalltongue:

horngeek

2010-03-26, 04:39 AM

My end for the 40K universe:

it explodes.

From awesome.

FROM THAT PICTURE.

Lord of Rapture

2010-03-26, 04:42 AM

My end for the 40K universe:

it explodes.

From awesome.

FROM THAT PICTURE.

You mean this (http://1d4chan.org/images/3/3c/GorknMork.jpg) picture.

Amiel

2010-03-26, 05:25 AM

The Void Dragon erupts from its prison and stupor, shattering Mars like so much useless glass and spent flesh.

It immediately targets the Emperor, overpowering him with psychic assault after assault; to the point that the Emperor's form undergoes such severe strain that it explodes into bloody chunks. The backlash from this attack causes the Imperium to implode, both physically and psychically. The Void Dragon ravishes and consumes these essences; which only serves to worsen its addiction to consumption.

Victorious after a bloody WAAAUUUGH!!! the orks are the next victims to fall. The orks manage to invoke Gork and Mork into physical being, but the Void Dragon strings the twin deities from rotting gibbets with rotted chains. It both tortures and slowly consumes tiny morsel after tiny morsel; leaving the two in horrific pain. Gork and Mork can only take so much, even as the deities they are; their minds collapse while their brains explode; the entire orken race is also funneled into the maw of the Void Dragon.

The tyranids and the rest are also given the same treatment; each one exploding with such horrific force that the fabric of reality itself is starting to tear.
The Chaos Gods are consumed, and the Nightbringer and the Deceiver are devoured. Only black holes exist where entire galaxies once shone.

The entity that is left is not the Void Dragon anymore; it has evolved; it has transcended.

With its last act, it causes the entire universe to experience suicide after suicide; dragging the universe through extinction after extinction. Each unravelling of existence forces a re-creation, each iteration causing the unending pain and suffering to multiply tenfold, hundredfold, thousandfold, millionfold.

Deca

2010-03-26, 05:26 AM

Amiel

2010-03-26, 05:31 AM

The only food available to anyone are bhut jolokia peppers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jolokia_pepper).

Deca

2010-03-26, 05:32 AM

Now that's more like it! :smallbiggrin:

Eldan

2010-03-26, 06:09 AM

No, Emperor, you are the Orks!

Comet

2010-03-26, 07:51 AM

No, Emperor, you are the Orks!

That made me laugh way more than it had any right to. Congratulations.

Eldan

2010-03-26, 08:04 AM

And I don't even know why I posted it. It doesn't have much to do with the topic, it just popped into my head.

chiasaur11

2010-03-26, 12:23 PM

gooddragon1

2010-03-26, 01:27 PM

What if he rolls... A SEVEN?

Something a lot like this actually... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=293)

Lost Demiurge

2010-03-26, 02:32 PM

[Ambassador Kosh]IN FIRE.[/Ambassador Kosh]

chiasaur11

2010-03-26, 02:54 PM

And no-one else thought of Cohen.

I don't know whether to be more disappointed in myself or you guys.

Erts

2010-03-26, 03:08 PM

Ganurath

2010-03-26, 03:17 PM

Well, even if the Necrons DO win (which I think is the most likely, for reasons already mentioned,) that won't be the end of the universe. Remember, the last time when life in the galaxy was next to none, the C'tan couldn't do anything. Why? Because life is the food source of the C'tan. That's why the Necrons didn't destroy everything before, they went to "sleep," and awaited till life would grow again.

Presumably, this is what would happen. The C'tan and the Necrons would leave around the Tyranids, the Orks, and maybe the humans, and wait a while. Once life is back to where it was, they'd do it all over again.Ah, but the Necron apocalypse would make way for the Tyranid main fleet, which would finish what they started. The Necrons would be forced to rise again by the time the C'Tan realize just how destructive a force the Tyranids are, and that would require the full might of the Necron forces. The ultimate force of death against the ultimate force of life, two galactic ancients fighting for the continued existence of everything that ever was in their galaxy.

Due to self-repair and superior tactical placement behind enemy lines, the Necrons would eventually triumph. If there were human survivors, they would form cults devoted to the deathless machines, and seek to emulate their combat style with heavy armor and heavy weapons with which to combat the weak parody of the Hungry Beast that calls itself Ork. Even in the death of the galaxy, war would rage.

This time, however, the humans remaining have the pariah gene, so the Warp is pacified, and only the strength of steel and wit remains. It would be an endless war, but a victorious one in the end, for the death cultists would emulate the combat style of their patrons by purging the very ground of any traces of the enemy.

Erts

2010-03-26, 03:44 PM

Ah, but the Necron apocalypse would make way for the Tyranid main fleet, which would finish what they started. The Necrons would be forced to rise again by the time the C'Tan realize just how destructive a force the Tyranids are, and that would require the full might of the Necron forces. The ultimate force of death against the ultimate force of life, two galactic ancients fighting for the continued existence of everything that ever was in their galaxy.

Due to self-repair and superior tactical placement behind enemy lines, the Necrons would eventually triumph. If there were human survivors, they would form cults devoted to the deathless machines, and seek to emulate their combat style with heavy armor and heavy weapons with which to combat the weak parody of the Hungry Beast that calls itself Ork. Even in the death of the galaxy, war would rage.

This time, however, the humans remaining have the pariah gene, so the Warp is pacified, and only the strength of steel and wit remains. It would be an endless war, but a victorious one in the end, for the death cultists would emulate the combat style of their patrons by purging the very ground of any traces of the enemy.

Nice... I'll change my theory:

The Necrons and the C'tan shall endlessly consume the Tyranids, and the Tyranids shall endlessly produce. And the orks will go about fighting and breeding as they always do, and some other races might rise up.
But mostly, the Necrons and the Tyranids. Sweet.

nooblade

2010-03-26, 04:15 PM

Something like this. (http://gamerfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/diablo-iii-rainbow-unicorn-logo.jpg)

The WH40k universe would become a nice playpen for the playful race of enormous rainbow unicorn-ponies and the warpspace would be used to dispose of their cloud-like, world-sundering excrement.

...Surprised noone had gone for the comically opposite yet.

Lord of Rapture

2010-03-26, 06:53 PM

Selrahc

2010-03-26, 07:06 PM

And no-one else thought of Cohen.

I don't know whether to be more disappointed in myself or you guys.

It was just a good job he didn't need an 8. That would have taken some very good swordplay.

shadow_archmagi

2010-03-26, 07:16 PM

"Orks loot the infinity circuit, gaining the intelligence and psychic powers of the eldar"

Amiel

2010-03-26, 07:39 PM

Doesn't really fit with the Void Dragon's previous (pathetic) track record.

Reason and continuity?

This. Is. WH40K!

However, the true fate of the WH40K universe shall be as follows;
Bow before CIAPHAS CAIN, GOD-EMPEROR OF EVERYTHING!

crazedloon

2010-03-26, 07:59 PM

Ciaphas Cain is a pansy...

Give me Yarrick a true war hero any day

Concrete

2010-03-26, 08:09 PM

THe last ones standing will be the necrons and the tyranids. The tyranids will overrun the necrons after boosting their numbers with pretty much bio-mass in the galaxy.
Then, they will run out of things to consume, and die off.

cue endless, lifeless universe.

Oslecamo

2010-03-26, 08:13 PM

The Necrons and the C'tan shall endlessly consume the Tyranids, and the Tyranids shall endlessly produce. And the orks will go about fighting and breeding as they always do, and some other races might rise up.
But mostly, the Necrons and the Tyranids. Sweet.

The necrons have disintregation weapon weapons, wich completely destroy matter.

The nids however are still tied by the laws of convervation of matter. They have no way of replenishing disintregated matter. It will be a slow process, but eventually all nids will be disintregated into energy.

Similarly, necrons can actualy completely wipe out planets of life, including ork spores.

trmptfnfr

2010-03-26, 08:54 PM

The necrons power at the end seems dependant on how many of them there are to reactivate, and what exactly happens if you destroy their tombs.

Jayngfet

2010-03-26, 09:13 PM

The Necrons and the 'nids become embroiled with a Nec-Nid war as their huge legions take the brunt of each others power, with the orcs deciding to get in on that action.

The loss of strain on the Tau-Eldar-Imperium causes all three to grow in size and over centuries eventually band together

As the 'nids and 'crons spend a good melinnium fighting, stripping worlds so efficently of life that Orks that die can't grow from spores, cutting the Ork population dramatically. Under fire from the Triple Alliance(yes, the name is intentional), the planets they inhabit are marred with scorched continents and oceans nearly boiled away as Orks are exterminated in an epic blaze of glory.

After the 'nids and 'crons weaken themselves sufficently and give the TA time to build itself up to a record population and advancement, they both come under siege. Necrons seal off the warp, but the Tau methods cause the structure to more or less survive, though hundreds of planets are lost.

Eventually, with great hardship and much sacrifice, the ignorance and xenophobia is replaced with advancement and tolerance. The survivors try to enjoy the uneasy peace, knowing that a single ork spore could ignite the problem if the alliances don't disintegrate one day.

Coidzor

2010-03-27, 02:29 AM

And no-one else thought of Cohen.

I don't know whether to be more disappointed in myself or you guys.

...So THAT'S where they flew off to at the end of Last Hero....

Yeah, Warhammer 40K has no chance, everyone's getting their butts kicked.

Amiel

2010-03-27, 05:44 AM

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, no one can afford light bulbs.

Oslecamo

2010-03-27, 12:27 PM

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, no one can afford light bulbs.

Oh, they can. By the trillions. They're called lasguns. Smiting the enemies of the imperium with epyletic attacks since the 31st millenium.:smalltongue:

In alternative, seting stuff on fire with promethium is considered one of the best ways to worship the emperor.:smallbiggrin:

Nerocite

2010-03-27, 03:12 PM

Orks fall. Everybody dies.

J.Gellert

2010-03-27, 03:22 PM

The Necrons are rather thorough. The C'Tan devour world after world, while the Imperium and the Tau empire with all their concentrated strength are still powerless. The Orks are just a speedbump, and the Necrons leave no spores behind. The followers of Chaos scatter across the universe but have nowhere to hide.

Once the dust settles, it is revealed that the Eldar Seers had predicted this. And, for once, they actually did something with the knowledge and win.

Once the Eldar rule everything, they go back to their old ways and just create new Chaos Gods. And they also end up pissing off some hidden minor race so badly as to make new Necrons out of them.

Repeat.

golentan

2010-03-27, 03:49 PM

Someone shoots the Emperor of mankind. After the offender is tortured to death in the most horrible way imaginable, the Emperor having been lifted of the agony of his flesh and the golden throne is able to heal his mind. He reincarnates, having successfully kicked enough warpspawned ass to do so.

Trillions die in the intervening time without the Tarot or Astronomicon, but the emperor rises and once more stands triumphant. Branded as a heretic by the surviving Imperial Leadership, he fights his way back to terra and takes up his throne, disbanding the cult that has formed around him in his absence and starting things from scratch. He masses the complete armed forces of the surviving Imperium, engages with the Tau and some of the Eldar, psychically dominates the tyranids to bend them to his will, and drives a crusade into the Eye of Terror, brutally ripping the Chaos Gods a new one while readying firepower to curb stomp the necron.

Tackyhillbillu

2010-03-27, 06:42 PM

The Squats return from the Edge of the Galaxy and wipe everyone out, proving once and for all that Space Dwarves > then all.

vrellum

2010-03-27, 06:54 PM

The winner (based on game rules anyway) would be whoever could master hate. And by master I mean be filled with and consumed by pure hate for the enemy.

Apparently being really mad can let you survive a shot through the chest by 50 cal mg, maybe bigger, run about twice as fast, especially if moving straight towards the enemy. Makes you superhumanly strong and quick, allows you to ignore relative weapon skill and hit your opponent 2/3rds of the time. I think it can even allow you to reroll misses (though I haven't played for a long while, so I'm not sure about this one). Granted noone gets all of these goodies, but that's just because they're not mad enough. Someday someone will master it all and rule the universe.

It really is the super weapon. Nothing can compare with fanatic, mindless hatred of your enemy.

Oslecamo

2010-03-27, 07:30 PM

It really is the super weapon. Nothing can compare with fanatic, mindless hatred of your enemy.

Well, the black templars do claim that hatred was the emperor's greatest gift to mankind. Guess they were right.:smalltongue:

Ravens_cry

2010-03-27, 08:06 PM

This is the way it will it end. With a bang, not a whimper.

Amiel

2010-03-27, 08:34 PM

Oh, they can. By the trillions. They're called lasguns. Smiting the enemies of the imperium with epyletic attacks since the 31st millenium.:smalltongue:

So, to be able to see and unsee, light it up with lasguns?
Lasguns, removing the stupid from the rest of society via no safety labels and overabundance.
And the pyrotechnics shall be glorious.

In alternative, seting stuff on fire with promethium is considered one of the best ways to worship the emperor.:smallbiggrin:

The Emperor demands things to be set on fire; no one suspects the Flammable Inquisition.

Eerie

2010-03-28, 06:04 AM

I`ll tell you how WHK40 will end. It will become boring.

Wait a minute, it already ended... :smallamused:

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-28, 07:01 AM

40K will end up being forgotten as players move on to a new system.

Talking in universe, however, although the logical conclusion would involve the Orkz or the Necrons or the Tyranids, the fact remains that the fluff would dictate an Imperium victory. They probably unite the seven ancient mystic whatevers to create an army of Imperial Power Rangers who purge the universe with their grimdark friendship or whatever.

Although I could've sworn that the whole point of the 40K war was that it was, y'know, endless.

Draxx

2010-03-28, 05:58 PM

I think, on a scale from one to 10, it would be Chuck Norris.

Please, Chuck doesn't have what it takes to be a regular guardsman in this setting.

My money is on the orks. Chaos destroys itself if it beats the Imperium, the Tau and eldar don't have the numbers, and they necrons, scary as they are, don't have the power.
The tyranids toss orks into their gestation pools, which create squigs, who, upon meeting orks, recognize the essential orkiness in themselves and unite to destroy the great devourer.
Then whatever the Tyranids are running from shows up and kill them too. Hopefully, that will turn out to be the space dwarves (who are not squats).

Thane of Fife

2010-03-28, 06:30 PM

Hmmm. You know the saying about giving an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters? Wait long enough and you're bound to have an Ernest Scribbler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM) in there somewhere.... (note that there are pictures of swastikas in that video)

At least, that's how I envision it.

gooddragon1

2010-03-29, 01:35 AM

-There doesn't seem to be a limit to the number of necrons that exist on the tombworlds.

No limit>Tyranids Numbers
No limit>Orks

-The necrons leave nothing for the tyranids and prevent orc respawn.
-Short of DM FIAT with eldar knowledge victory or crazy imperium victory... it's the necrons.

The orks would just have to seriously overwhelm the necrons and that isn't possible with their nonlimit and respawn ability of their own... In fact, gathering up enough orks together probably constitutes a DM FIAT on it's own. It's just not likely to occur given how divided they are. Also, great deciever+orks=orks fighting orks.

Rutskarn

2010-03-29, 01:41 AM

I hate to say it, but those 'nid bastards have a hell of a racket going. Eventually, they'd hit the critical mass where nothing can really stop them, not even the Orks, not even the Necrons.

See, Necrons don't really die, but they take a while to come back. By the time they've respawned, there's a dozen more bugs waiting to rip them back apart.

'Nids are the way everything ends, forever.

golentan

2010-03-29, 02:14 AM

Eldan

2010-03-29, 02:34 AM

If they are really running from anything other than "there's no food left over here."

Now, the most convincing argument I've seen is really the "Necrons break down matter" one. It seems they can just go on increasing entropy until there's not enough left for the nids to devour.

Killer Angel

2010-03-29, 02:59 AM

I`ll tell you how WHK40 will end. It will become boring.

Wait a minute, it already ended... :smallamused:

It's a thin ice, the one you're walkin on, you know? :smalltongue:

Coidzor

2010-03-29, 03:37 AM

Warhammer... Warhammer never changes...

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-29, 04:01 AM

But... But... There's whatever it is they're running from.

That would be the forces of Khador.

Eldan

2010-03-29, 05:34 AM

I thought it was the Doctor.

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-29, 05:53 AM

I thought it was the Doctor.

No, that's who the forces of Khador are fleeing.

chiasaur11

2010-03-29, 10:22 AM

No, that's who the forces of Khador are fleeing.

And he's "running"* from Death's Head, who was paid by the Eldar.

It's all one big, fun cycle of death.

Until K-9 gets involved, and then it stops being fun. Even for the Orks.

*More "Avoiding while he forms a very clever plan to use Death's Head as part of some big day saving shenanigans, but he has to make it look convincing.

Cracklord

2010-03-29, 11:37 PM

Ciaphas Cain is a pansy...

Give me Yarrick a true war hero any day

Yarrick, Cain and Gaunt, the Commissar holy trinity, meet up, and the Emperor is reborn.

Or Rex the Wonderdog arrives, defeating all opposition in a blaze of awesome, and The Emperor is reborn to bow to Rex, the greatest being ever to be produced ever.

Oslecamo

2010-03-30, 04:31 AM

Warhammer... Warhammer never changes...

Starring:

Super mutants as the orks! (because green is best!)

The enclave as the Space Marines! (purge the mutants, uncleans, and heretics and bring our order to the land!)

President Eden as the emperor in the Golden Throne!(trying to "save" mankind.)

Brotherhood of Steel as Chaos!( traitors of the government, divided, searching for relics of old, recruiting whoever is willing to join their cause)

In a post-apocalyptic setting near you!

Drascin

2010-03-30, 05:52 AM

That would be the forces of Khador.

Tsk. Everyone knows the Tyranids are running away from Kirby.

Oslecamo

2010-03-30, 05:56 AM

Tsk. Everyone knows the Tyranids are running away from Kirby.

Indeed
http://www.absoluteanime.com/kirby/cook_kirby.gif

Kirby considers the nids a delicious delicacy.:smallbiggrin:

Smiling Knight

2010-03-30, 06:08 AM

Red X :smallfrown:

Neon Knight

2010-03-30, 06:53 AM

The Squats. Why? Because we can.

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-30, 07:11 AM

Tsk. Everyone knows the Tyranids are running away from Kirby.

Kirby is allied with the forces of Khador.

Specifically the Butcher of Khardov and his steam powered armour.

The Glyphstone

2010-03-30, 07:14 AM

horngeek

2010-03-30, 07:15 AM

The Squats. Why? Because we can.

*twitches*

*kidnaps loved one and holds said loved one hostage until this statement is taken back* :smalltongue:

paddyfool

2010-03-30, 08:36 AM

WH40k ends when the galaxy slides off into the warp, which promptly implodes. All that's left are fragments of extremely anti-warp Necron tech, which float off in the wake of still-hungry, but now redirected, 'Nid hive fleets as they turn up to find a big fat nothing.

Alternative answer: It would take a full-on, nuclear-powered world war 3 on this green earth to bring a final end to WH40k. Until then, GM, or whoever buys them, seem vanishingly unlikely to ever wrap it up.

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-30, 09:19 AM

Karchev > Zoktavir. Really, what kind of big brass ones does it take to have your life support machine layered up with armor and guns just so you can go back out and keep beating people's faces in? All the Butcher did was massacre an entire town and name his axe. The 'Nids are totally running from him.

I remember reading one of the official short stories where Cygnar aimed to wear down the Butcher by attrition ...

Butcher ran out of enemies to kill :smallbiggrin:

(Still it's all the forces of Khador, so both would be in there really ...)

Thrawn183

2010-03-30, 09:28 AM

The forces pursuing the 'Nids catch up to them and destroy them before they reach the Imperium. The Eldar finally die out. A massive civil war wracks the Imperium leaving all of humanity stuck in the stone age. Chaos loses all of its influence without humans travelling through the warp. The Necrons decide that after destroying the Tau they can rest until the universe has built up a bit again. The orks have no one worthy left to fight so they commit mass suicide

The WH40K universe goes out, not with a bang, but with the pathetic whimper it deserves.

golentan

2010-03-31, 11:10 AM

BRC

2010-03-31, 11:23 AM

I'd like to change my answer. Orkz discover mathematics. An Enterprising Smartboy notices if you divide by smaller numbers, you get more. So he tries going as small as possible when counting his ammo: 0.

Because he believes really strongly it'll work, this gives him the result he wants: Enuff Daka (Infinite/undefined), while ripping open a hole in the fabric of the universe where things he can use it for stompin' come through. One pitched gun battle later, Chaos is gone forever and the Orkz go looking for more enemies to use their dakka on.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/090/0/e/__Nuff_Dakka_by_golentan.jpg
One problem. According to the Thinka-Boy Sokrotez since nobody knows exactly how much Dakka is Enuf (They are merely able to determine that they need more), Enuf Dakka must be forever unknown. If it has some set value (Which he does not state it has, or does not have), once that value is determined, it then has a different value.

This is one of his lesser known theories. He is best known for the Sokrotek method, in which he proved that nobody knew anything by asking somebody a question, hearing their answer, and then continuing to smash them until they were no longer able to answer.

The Glyphstone

2010-03-31, 11:28 AM

I remember reading one of the official short stories where Cygnar aimed to wear down the Butcher by attrition ...

Butcher ran out of enemies to kill :smallbiggrin:

(Still it's all the forces of Khador, so both would be in there really ...)

I read this and thought you said "Cypher" at first (the rogue Dark Angel). We need more 40K/Warmachine crossover fics.

Indon

2010-03-31, 12:23 PM

If we remove the stopper for the universe changing, that doesn't mean anyone will necessarily win - but things may definitely change.

-Ork spores co-infest with a Tyranid colony, ultimately producing green, "Orky" insectoids (Orknids) that rapidly begin to outcompete either of their component species.
-The Emperor awakens, but almost all of his power is devoted to something or other, probably holding back the forces of Chaos. The Emperor uses his leadership abilities to start bringing humanity out of its' long Dark Ages. Slow and awkward peace negotiations with the Tao begin, that could possibly result in an Enlightened Imperium/Tao alliance to face fearsome forces like the Orknids and Necrons.
-An Eldar lord with a black chainsword appears and all Chaos seems to buckle before the inconcievable skill and power of their new Champion.

New battle lines are drawn across the cosmos, and a new balance is struck - for now.

golentan

2010-03-31, 02:31 PM

One problem. According to the Thinka-Boy Sokrotez since nobody knows exactly how much Dakka is Enuf (They are merely able to determine that they need more), Enuf Dakka must be forever unknown. If it has some set value (Which he does not state it has, or does not have), once that value is determined, it then has a different value.

This is one of his lesser known theories. He is best known for the Sokrotek method, in which he proved that nobody knew anything by asking somebody a question, hearing their answer, and then continuing to smash them until they were no longer able to answer.

Which is why Infinite/Undefined Dakka is enuff, because no matter how you slice it up you always, always, always have more Dakka left over, you see?

BRC

2010-03-31, 03:26 PM

Which is why Infinite/Undefined Dakka is enuff, because no matter how you slice it up you always, always, always have more Dakka left over, you see?
And since a number divided by 0 is undefined and therefore unknown, it works within Sokrotez's theories.

That said, I really want to make an ork army lead by Sokrotez now, consisting of Orkified versions of various philosophers.

Dervag

2010-03-31, 04:55 PM

One problem. According to the Thinka-Boy Sokrotez since nobody knows exactly how much Dakka is Enuf (They are merely able to determine that they need more), Enuf Dakka must be forever unknown. If it has some set value (Which he does not state it has, or does not have), once that value is determined, it then has a different value.

This is one of his lesser known theories. He is best known for the Sokrotek method, in which he proved that nobody knew anything by asking somebody a question, hearing their answer, and then continuing to smash them until they were no longer able to answer.Of course, Sokrotez was eventually sentenced to death by drinking really bad fungus ale after the assembled WAAAGH! voted that he was guilty of "muckin' about."

Subsequently, the warboss beat the tar out of each and every individual ork present, and then sentenced Sokrotez to death by drinking really bad fungus ale for the crime of "muckin' about."

Mercenary Pen

2010-03-31, 05:17 PM

Haven't read through the entire thread, but WH40K ends with the beginning of WH41K- I thought that was self evident.

BRC

2010-03-31, 05:26 PM

Of course, Sokrotez was eventually sentenced to death by drinking really bad fungus ale after the assembled WAAAGH! voted that he was guilty of "muckin' about."

Subsequently, the warboss beat the tar out of each and every individual ork present, and then sentenced Sokrotez to death by drinking really bad fungus ale for the crime of "muckin' about."
We've been spelling his name wrong. It's SORKratez.

Other great Orkish philosophers.
Reden DisKart: The Mek who famously proposed "I tink, derefore I am mukin' about".
Deaded Humie: Who believed very strongly in empirical evidence, and to that effect, always measured the Ork's around him to make sure he was da biggest.

thorgrim29

2010-03-31, 05:57 PM

How about Fridrark Nortche, who discovered two essential truths about orkiness:

1: Fings that dun kill me, make me largelyer
2: Every boy's goal is ta be super orky, orky enuff that all the other boys follow him

Klose_the_Sith

2010-03-31, 10:24 PM

I read this and thought you said "Cypher" at first (the rogue Dark Angel). We need more 40K/Warmachine crossover fics.

All I can see is Winterguard screaming out "For the Empress" and then the Imperial Guard stopping, being all "What'd you say there?"

Hilarity ensues.

(Alternately, I'd love to see Chaos v Cryx)

Lord of Rapture

2010-04-01, 04:25 AM

The orks have no one worthy left to fight so they commit mass suicide

The WH40K universe goes out, not with a bang, but with the pathetic whimper it deserves.

What? Orks not having anything left to fight? You git! There's always other orks to fight! You iz mukkin' about!

On dakka: let's ask the experts on science whether there is such thing as enuff dakka
http://1d4chan.org/images/e/eb/Mythbusta.jpg

Oslecamo

2010-04-01, 06:17 AM

On dakka: let's ask the experts on science whether there is such thing as enuff dakka
http://1d4chan.org/images/e/eb/Mythbusta.jpg

Actualy, big mek Newtenz three laws of Stompincanics support the theory that you could get enuff dakka if you had a gun wich would use all the bitz in the universe as ammo, including the gun itself.

So what are you waiting for? Go loot more stuff so we can achieve enuff dakka already!

Eldan

2010-04-01, 06:22 AM

Actually, Kwantem Mekaniks proofed that it wasn't possible to have both a gun big enuff and enuff ammo to ever achieve enuff dakka.

Deca

2010-04-01, 06:22 AM

Actualy, big mek Newtenz three laws of Stompincanics support the theory that you could get enuff dakka if you had a gun wich would use all the bitz in the universe as ammo, including the gun itself.

So what are you waiting for? Go loot more stuff so we can achieve enuff dakka already!

But Mek Newtenz din't take multiverses into his Feory. Besides, his laws of Stompincanics were disproved by Einstompa's Feory of Relative Crumpin'.

Einstompa later had his hed smashed in for muckin' around. Sed dakka couldn't go faster than light.

Oslecamo

2010-04-01, 06:37 AM

Actually, Kwantem Mekaniks proofed that it wasn't possible to have both a gun big enuff and enuff ammo to ever achieve enuff dakka.

Kwantem Mekanikis is still a very mucky field of expertise. Big Meks burn their heads (literally) trying to use it. Actualy, if you tried to apply Kwantem Mekanikis, and you aren't bleeding from your ears and nostrils, you didn't do it hard enough.

It would be more orky to say that we just didn't manage to have a WWWAAAAGGGGHHHH!!! powerfull enough to be able to build a gun big enuff and enuff ammo to achieve enuff dakka.

That's why the biggest weirdboyz are working on the feory of unification. If we could get all boyz togheter in a single WWWWWAAAAGGHHHH!!!!, enuff dakka could surely be achieved!

Ravens_cry

2010-04-01, 09:56 AM

Now we know.
It ends today. (http://www.hiderefer.com/GYf1zDFH.htm)

Eldan

2010-04-01, 09:58 AM

Sorry, but... when I see a link labeled as "hiderefer", I just expect a rick roll.

BRC

2010-04-01, 10:06 AM

Kwantem Mekanikis is still a very mucky field of expertise. Big Meks burn their heads (literally) trying to use it. Actualy, if you tried to apply Kwantem Mekanikis, and you aren't bleeding from your ears and nostrils, you didn't do it hard enough.

It would be more orky to say that we just didn't manage to have a WWWAAAAGGGGHHHH!!! powerfull enough to be able to build a gun big enuff and enuff ammo to achieve enuff dakka.

That's why the biggest weirdboyz are working on the feory of unification. If we could get all boyz togheter in a single WWWWWAAAAGGHHHH!!!!, enuff dakka could surely be achieved!
Don't forget about the famous "Shredager's Grot" experiment. An Orkish Weirdboy known as Shredager who proposed that if you put a Grot in a box, then shot the box, until you look inside the box, the Grot is both dead and not dead.

Of course, most people forget the second part of his statement, which says that if there is still a box to look inside, you need moar dakka (If there isn't a box to look inside, you still need more dakka)

Eldan

2010-04-01, 10:20 AM

Ah, yes. You forgot one important part of the formulation, though:

"If you put a grot in a box and then shoot the box until nothing remains, you won't know if the grot disappeared, or if he just ran away really fast."

Ravens_cry

2010-04-01, 06:40 PM

Sorry, but... when I see a link labeled as "hiderefer", I just expect a rick roll.
I can promise you it isn't (http://tinyurl.com/W40kEND).

Eldan

2010-04-02, 04:34 AM

Oh, I know. I still clicked it. I just wasn't expecting anything serious.

Kane

2010-04-05, 11:25 PM

I propose that it NEVER ends, just like the Emperor has never truly died. (And if you say otherwise, your a dirty double-heretic!)

Instead:http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20091112.gif

Replace that last panel with the God-Emperor playing an electric guitar while battleship-surfing, and fighting all five four chaos gods at once. Or something suitably epic.

A potential interpretation that has no grounding, but I've always been rather fond of, is that the God-Emperor and the Void Dragon are bros, and when the Void Dragon wakes up, the first think he/it/VoidDragon will do it is go pull the final switch on the Golden Throne, bring God-Emperor around to watch the Harrier's* playoff game, and then they'll go out and de-grimdark the universe.

*Of Blood for the Blood God!/Harrier's for the cup! fame.

I can hope, okay?

Meshakhad

2010-04-07, 12:26 PM

Chaos wins in the end. As the Imperium is weakened by the Orks, Necrons, and Tyranids, the Chaos Gods themselves plan the ultimate Black Crusade, uniting all the Chaos Space Marines under their banner. They successfully assault Holy Terra, and slay the Emperor. Within a decade, the Ruinous Powers control the Imperium, and the Eye of Terror expands to engulf the entire galaxy.

Fate of other races:

Necrons: Exterminated. The Chaos campaign against the C'tan took centuries (or possibly five minutes - time flows oddly in the Warp), but they finally destroyed the Star Gods.
Tau: Wiped out.
Eldar: All but wiped out. A handful of Eldar are kept as prisoners, to ensure that their death god never arises.
Orks: Most of the Orks were killed, but some survived - and now thrive - in the Eye of Terror. Possessed Orks are really nasty things.
Tyranids: The Hive Fleets are still out there, pillaging other galaxies. But they seem to have left this one alone.

hamishspence

2010-04-07, 12:48 PM

In the 5E Tyranid codex, it says the Astronomicon is drawing them- the Emperor and the Astronomicon would have to be destroyed to cause the Tyranids to stop coming.

BRC

2010-04-07, 12:50 PM

In the 5E Tyranid codex, it says the Astronomicon is drawing them- the Emperor and the Astronomicon would have to be destroyed to cause the Tyranids to stop coming.

Nah, they just get abunch of planet sized bug candles.

Surrealistik

2010-04-07, 01:52 PM

How does WH40K End?

It doesn't.

Oslecamo

2010-04-07, 02:08 PM

In the 5E Tyranid codex, it says the Astronomicon is drawing them- the Emperor and the Astronomicon would have to be destroyed to cause the Tyranids to stop coming.

Wich just shows that the emperor is the true villain in the middle of all of this. He plans to kill all other non-human form of life in the galaxy. And that's probably just because he needs pawns.

The nids aren't running away from some mysterious mighty enemy that would drive them extinct

The nids are charging against a mysterious mighty enemy that would drive them extinct. The hate for life of the emperor is so concentrated that the highly psionic nids detected it a galaxy away and decided they had to take measures now that the emperor is weakened.

So new theory on how 40K ends! The emperor awakens, and all other factions declare truces between themselves to gank on him!

Angrist

2010-04-07, 02:37 PM

Another recession hits,
sales drop,
Games Workshop closes,
gamers are left drifting in the wind. (sigh)

Kane

2010-04-07, 09:36 PM

Another recession hits,

Dude. Not cool. I'm going to be looking for work in a couple of years. Not cool.

Finn Solomon

2010-04-08, 12:19 AM

Not with a bang, but a whimper. To the sound of applause.

Hunter Noventa

2010-04-08, 12:48 AM

No, the Emperor wakes up, dons a pair of Kamina Glasses, and starts telling the people to believe in the them, that believes in themselves, and then turns into this to curbstomp the enemy, powered by the burning passionate spirits of his people.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/Zeldamaniac/SuperTengenToppaGurrenLagann.png

Klose_the_Sith

2010-04-08, 01:03 AM

Another recession hits,
sales drop,
Games Workshop closes,
gamers are left drifting in the wind. (sigh)

You're right, there aren't any other wargames in existence or anything :smalltongue:

Oslecamo

2010-04-08, 01:52 PM

No, the Emperor wakes up, dons a pair of Kamina Glasses, and starts telling the people to believe in the them, that believes in themselves, and then turns into this to curbstomp the enemy, powered by the burning passionate spirits of his people.

I'm sorry, I think you mistook some characters here.

The emperor is the anti-spiral leader, seeking to crush all evolution and having sucessfully locked humanity in a cycle of endless stagnation thanks to his fanatic mutant army supressing all creative spirit they can.

Chaos, Tau and Orks are the spiral energy users, piercing trough all barriers while developing all kinds of amazing technology powered by burning passionate spirits of his people. Yes, the Tau do it too.

It burns so briefly, the light of my children, so briefly. But, by the Greater Good, it burns so bright!-Aun’Va, Tau ethereal

That's the dude who'll wear some Kamina glasses:smallcool:

Texas_Ben

2010-04-08, 02:02 PM

The emperor is the anti-spiral leader, seeking to crush all evolution and having sucessfully locked humanity in a cycle of endless stagnation thanks to his fanatic mutant army supressing all creative spirit they can.

Actually if anything the Emprah is most like Lord Genome-- Remember that the stagnation carried out in the Emporer's name is not his will, and when he was still up and about he was all for secular humanism and advancing forward. But then he had his little run-in with horus, and now all he can do is keep the astronomicon lit, allowing humanity to survive a little bit longer.
So yeah, pretty similar to Lord Genome in a lot of ways.

Coidzor

2010-04-08, 03:23 PM

The Chaos God of Games Workshops productions grows and grows until all of the Warhammer universes congeal into a state not unlike heat death.

BRC

2010-04-08, 04:01 PM

The current trends continue, until the universe is englufed by Pauldrons and skulls, EVERYWHERE.

SlyGuyMcFly

2010-04-08, 04:01 PM

It burns so briefly, the light of my children, so briefly. But, by the Greater Good, it burns so bright!-Aun’Va, Tau ethereal

That's the dude who'll wear some Kamina glasses:smallcool:

...

...

Ok. Someone really needs to convert a team of Crisis Suits into Ganmen.

Entropee

2010-04-14, 04:30 AM

The Tau and Eldar would get killed pretty fast due to lack of numbers.
The Imprium would get beaten by the orcs, who in turn would get beaten by tyranids and/or necrons.

Chances are there'd then be a big scrap between the 'nids and necrons (nids possibly have another galaxy or more under there control, necrons have an insane number of troops underground) with the winner facing random attacks by chaos.
Either that or chaos would be dumb enough to attack them head on and get their buts kicked back into the warp.

Killer Angel

2010-04-14, 04:57 AM

The Imprium would get beaten by the orcs, who in turn would get beaten by tyranids and/or necrons.

Hello Entropee... are you trying to stimulate an almost decaying thread? :smalltongue:
There was no much more to add, but anyway, even if I agree that the total number of 'Nids (impressive) and Necrons (mysterious) can give'em a definitive advantage, aren't you underestimating the Orks? after all, the OP stated that "The Orks have come together in a WAAAAAAGH! of never-before-seen proportions".

Entropee

2010-04-14, 06:14 AM

Hello Entropee... are you trying to stimulate an almost decaying thread? :smalltongue:
There was no much more to add, but anyway, even if I agree that the total number of 'Nids (impressive) and Necrons (mysterious) can give'em a definitive advantage, aren't you underestimating the Orks? after all, the OP stated that "The Orks have come together in a WAAAAAAGH! of never-before-seen proportions".

There are a lot of orcs, but (for the most part) each orc is pretty weak, and then theres the fact that both 'nids and necrons can make more men ('nids with the wierd biomass thing and necrons with pariahs. Plus necrons are technologically way ahead of the orcs).

And I'll try and avoid near threadcromancy in future. I'm new here :smallredface:.

Corvus

2010-04-14, 06:38 AM

Orks are weak? Thats a new one - aren't they individually as strong as a SM (just without the fancy tools and armour).

Killer Angel

2010-04-14, 06:41 AM

And I'll try and avoid near threadcromancy in future. I'm new here :smallredface:.

I know you're new, I gave the welcome in the "new members" thread. :smallwink:
Just to be clear: yours is NO thread necromancy (must be more old than 1.5 months, etc.). My observation was more in the line "this thread seems a dead horse, all the interesting things were said".

...but who knows, we can start again to debate. :smalltongue:

Entropee

2010-04-14, 06:50 AM

Orks are weak? Thats a new one - aren't they individually as strong as a SM (just without the fancy tools and armour).

Normal orks have a good strength stat, but suffer in other ways (which is why I called them weak, I guess). They are decent in close combat against poorly armoured people, but lack power weapons for people with decent armour (except 1 expensive power claw for the squad). When it comes to range attacking they have awful accuracy and few heavy weapons, and people can take saves almost all the time. Defence wise they have good toughness, but a very poor save.

And they are pretty cheap in terms of points, which shows GW don't think they're going to kill everything.

You can, of course, build an army around nobs, walkers, grot guns, warboses and the like, but I doubt that the majority of the ork armies in the imaginary 40k universe are like that.

Killer Angel

2010-04-14, 07:04 AM

And they are pretty cheap in terms of points, which shows GW don't think they're going to kill everything.

Vs threads, are based more on fluff than on army points, otherwise, all the factions would have the same chance to win, having armies builded with the same points.

Dr. Bath

2010-04-14, 07:11 AM

Entropee

2010-04-14, 07:37 AM

rakkoon

2010-04-15, 06:20 AM

I read the books stating that an ork head survives for three days when separated from its body. Then I played with their army. Ridiculous saving throws and couldn't kill a SM if they teleported into one. No wait, that would work actually. They were fabulous fluffwise though. Like the Eldar moving so fast that no human eye could see them. And then you meet them in combat :smallsmile:
Fun times, fun times.

Eldan

2010-04-15, 06:23 AM

That makes me think... is there an ork equivalent of a Pariah? The other orks would probably kill it right away for being un-orky, but still, it sounds theoretically possible.

Oslecamo

2010-04-15, 06:37 AM

Looking at Orks game-wise doesn't really work, as they've been changed and tweaked over time to fit a particular niche game style (hordes of moderately unreliable combat monsters) which doesn't overlap at all with other available armies. In the fluff Orks are frankly ridiculously tough, what with being able to lose all limbs without dying and so on. They aten't weak.

They aren't in the game either. Toughness 4 means they're as tough as 8 foot tall geneticaly altered spacemarines filled with drugs.

Plus you need to take in acount that by the rules, "dead" units may just be "crippled". An ork whitout limbs may still be alive, but it can't really fight anymore, so it counts as a casuality.

The Dark Eldar codex in particular makes very clear the point that DE combat poisons are aimed at leaving the enemy twitching in the ground with horrible pains rather than to kill them, in order to enslave them.

And then you need to take in acount that even if orks are unaturaly tough, everybody has unaturaly powerfull weapons (except the guard). Monomolecular shuriken machine guns, fast firing rocket launchers, disintregators, pulse rifles, railguns, super diseases, swarms of tiny creatures that will eat you from inside out, etc, etc.