Arena Tournament, Round 84: Syberphyst & Bobhorst vs. Mattos & Shooty McElf

[ArenaManager]

Arena Tournament, Round 84: Syberphyst & Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild vs. Mattos & Shooty McElf

Map:
http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/ArenaManager/Arenas/ffa03-trenches.png



XP Award: 300 XP to each non-DQd member of winning team
GP Award: 300 GP to each non-DQd member of winning team

Syberphyst (http://pifro.com/pro/view.php?id=4166) - RandomAction
Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=180623) - TheFallenOne
Mattos (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=8042) - Lord Mattos
Shooty McElf (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=184783) - thefurmonger


All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare any final purchases

Prior to the match start you may privately plan by spoiler or PM with your partner, but after the start any communications will need to be done in character inside the arena as rules allow.

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Checking In.

Init [roll0]

Still thinking of purchaces...

[RandomAction]

Ah here is the rematch. Good luck everyone.

@Bobhorst:Ok, we need to think of some different here. Any ideas?

Syberphyst, ready: [roll0]

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos is here. Man, the other match took a long time.

Init: [roll0] :biggrin:

@Shooty:Strategy?

[Thefurmonger]

@ MattosHell yes that took forever....
Anyway I think we should head for high ground ASAP. I think you should start in W-7 and head to the stairs at P-5 and meet me around N-13ish so we can buff up together.
After that I think we should pick off the Monk first so we dont get grappled.

What do you think?

**EDIT** I think buying and starting with a potion of either Longstrider or Exp retreat, that will really help moving around the map and only cost 50Gp.

[TheFallenOne]

What's up with everyones Initiative rolls? 19, 19, 20?
Well, good luck everyone in the rematch. I guess this time Shooty won't accidentaly fall from the sky and take 10 falling damage, so it will be harder for us :smalltongue:

Bobhorst Initiative [roll0]

Ref:
Before declaring purchases, I need to know what Climate/Terrain combination this Arena constipates for the purposes of Camouflage Netting(Heroes of Battle, page 95)

Syberphyst

They'll likely take high ground first with that initiative. I'll move up also to +10 to a nice spot with good LoS and hide with the netting. If Shooty flies up again I'll start sniping, you should focus on Mattos this time because once Shooty is in the air you'll have no way to reach him apart from your sling and that renders you immobile. You should probably go clockwise to Mattos while I give you covering fire

edit: Ref question, will most likely need a High Ref
OK, this is something most likely nobody tried before. I'm thinking of buying a barrel, a chest, whatever, something that can be ruled to be 5 ft high. My intention is to place it somewhere and stand on it so I get a +5 elevation. Need to know if this is acceptable and if so, how the mechanics for it work(Balance check to stay on top?)

[Ranger Mattos]

@Shooty:Those potions aren't on D20srd, how long do those effects last?

Seems like a good strategy.

[Thefurmonger]

@MattosThe spells are in the SRD a potion of a first level spell is always 50G, longstrider is +10' move for one hour, expedius retreat is +30 but only 10 rounds. I think we should go with exp retreat.

Shooty is buying a potion of Expedius Retreat and a potion of faith healing.

100G total.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos is buying a potion of expedious retreat.

@V: Yeah, probably should have.

[TheFallenOne]

hm, should you start before everyone declared purchases?

[Thefurmonger]

@MattosGlad you like the potion idea, if you start with it in hand and use your first standard to drink it, you will get one move action of 60 instead of 2 at 30.
So by the action economy we get to drink the potion for free :biggrin:

[RandomAction]

I am not making any purchases, so I am ready whenever.

@Bobhorst:
Good idea. I will go past you, then look for Mattos. If you spot them let me know with a signal/shout.

[TheFallenOne]

Initiative Order

Mattos
Shooty McElf
Syberphyst
Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild

Teammate
I'll take position in D9 for the beginning, halfway decent LoS and I get there without check thanks to my ladder. Some other positions would be more favourable like C6, but it's too exposed and with them having first turn I risk being seen. D9 will have cover no matter where they go turn 1

[Sallera]

Bobhorst:Aye, it'd probably be a DC10 balance check for most such items. If it's something large, flat, and sturdy, you might get away without one.

We'll call the terrain type temperate hills. Doesn't much matter, anyway; I think the last time someone used it they just bought Camouflage Netting (Garden Arena). :smalltongue:

[TheFallenOne]

Hm, alright. I keep that one in mind, for now I think I'll manage without one. Glad to have you back on the Reffing side

Purchase small Camouflage Netting(Temperate Hills) - 25 GP
though I'm not sure how to actually use it. Do I wear it over my clothes or do I have to spend an action covering myself with it once I'm in the desired position?

I'll edit my character sheet reflecting new possessions, otherwise I'm good to go

[Sallera]

Don't think any extra action is required for its use; you simply have to be still and have a move action free to use hiding (I don't think it can be used to make a hide check at the end of a partial move action).

[TheFallenOne]

Alright, fair enough. I actually dug up the Garden Arena match you mentioned to see how it works, but you beat me to it

Starting position
D8, wearing Camouflage Netting, holding potion of Faith Healing(Chocolate) in mouth, ladder in both hands. Tanglefoot Bag and glaive stay outside Arena


I think we're all good to go, so Furmonger is on

[Thefurmonger]

No I'm Not, Mattos is.

[TheFallenOne]

oh, my bad, only now saw that he edited out his turn after I reminded him not everyone was done with purchases

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 1

Refs/LoSStart in W7. Drink potion of Expedious Retreat. Move to P5

End of turn.

Statslocation: P5
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
9 rounds left of Expedious Retreat

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 1

Ref/LOS
Begin in W-19 with a potion in one hand and Bow in the other.

Standard: Drink the potion (Expedious Retreat)
Move: To O-16
Free: Drop Bottle

Turn Done

Stats
Location: O-16
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:18 FF:15 T:13
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 10/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

My turn, eh? Well, good luck everyone.

Syberphyst,R-1:
Rfs/LoS:
Start in D-19, with sling in one hand and potion in other.
Move to J-16 - move.
Drink potion - standard.
Effect:Mage Armor
Activate Law devotion - swift.
Set devotion bonus to AC - free.
End turn.

Stats:
Location: J-16.
Mage Armor - 1 hour duration.
Law Devotion: 10/10
Hp: 10/10
AC: 23(4armor+3Dex+3class+3Feat), T: 19, F:20
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 1

Refs/LoS

Move: Place ladder against wall
Move: Climb ladder up to D9(Autosuccess on DC 5 climb)
Free as part of Move: Draw light crossbow
Move Silently: [roll0]
Hide: [roll1]
Free: Reload crossbow


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Leave page blank.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

Shooty:No LoS.

Mattos:No LoS.

Syberphyst:No LoS.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 2

Ref/LoSMove from P5 to N14. Ready an actionShoot if I gain LoS to Bobhorst or Syberphyst

End of turn.

StatsLocation: N14
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
8/10 rounds left of Expedious Retreat

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 2

Ref/LOS
Swift: Activate Law devotion (AC)
Move: To N-19 (Only 30' of 60)

TURN NOT DONE, NEED LOS

Stats
Location: N-19
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 9/10
Law Devotion 10/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Mattos: [roll0]
Spot for Shooty: [roll1]

Bobhorst:No LoS.

Shooty:No LoS.

Mattos:When you reach N8, you see Syberphyst in J16, holding a sling and an empty bottle. You may revise your turn from this point. Incidentally, as you didn't state what you were holding at match start, you may find it helpful to draw your bow before readying an action to shoot someone with it.

Syberphyst:You see Mattos in N8, holding an empty bottle.

Rewind to Mattos' turn.

[Ranger Mattos]

Revised turn

Refs/Syberphyst
Draw bow as free action during movement. From N8, shoot Syberphyst.
[roll0]
damage: [roll1]

End of turn.

StatsLocation N8
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
8/10 rounds left of ER

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 2 M.2

Ref/LOS
Swift: Activate Law devotion (AC)
Move: To N-19 (Only 30' of 60)

TURN NOT DONE, NEED LOS

Stats
Location: N-19
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 9/10
Law Devotion 10/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:Blanks.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N19, holding bow.

Shooty:Mattos is in N8, holding bow.

Mattos:Syberphyst is in J16. Shooty is in N19, holding bow.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N8, holding bow.

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty End of Round 2

Ref/LOS
Finish Move: To N-13
Standard: Cast DC 16 to readBlessed Aim


END TURN

@Mattos/Refs
Mattos is within 50' of me so is hit with the spell effect, +2 to ranged hit for 10 rounds

Stats
Location: N-19
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 9/10
Law Devotion 10/10
Blessed Aim 10/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty moves to N13 and casts a spell.

Shooty:Mattos is in N8. Syberphyst is in J16, holding sling.

Mattos:Syberphyst is in J16. Shooty moves to N13 and casts a spell.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N8. Shooty moves to N13, holding bow, and casts a spell.

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-2:
Refs/LoS:
Shift devotion to attack - free.
Drop bottle - free.
Ranged attack @ Mattos.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
At som point here I move out of LoS, so for the refs:Move to D-13.
Switch devotion to AC - free.
Yell @ partner - Here they come.
End turn.

Stats:
Location: D-13.
Mage Armor - 1 hour duration.
Law Devotion: 9/10
Hp: 10/10
AC: 23(4armor+3Dex+3class+3Feat), T: 19, F:20
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[RandomAction]

Refs/LoS:
Oooo a crit, time to check.
Crit confirm: [roll0]
Damage on confirm: [roll1]
That will more than likely miss.

Carry on.

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N13.

Shooty:Mattos is in N8. Syberphyst attacks Mattos, and you lose LoS to him as he exits I15 to the west.

Mattos:Syberphyst attacks you and moves out of LoS to the northwest. Shooty moves to N13 and casts a spell.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N8.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 2

Refs/LoS


Standard: Activate Psionic Tattoo Chameleon
Free: Hold crossbow in offhand
Move: Retrieve ladder
Free: Drop ladder to C8
Free: hold crossbow with both hands again
Since I haven't moved I should now be hidden with Camouflage Netting
New hide check just in case, though I believe without actually having moved I don't get one [roll0]


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)
Chameleon: 100/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N13. You do indeed need the hide check, since you took actions this round, so the new one counts.

Shooty:Mattos is in N8.

Mattos:Shooty is in N13.

Syberphyst:No LoS.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos Round 3

Refs/ShootyFree: say in Elven 'Syberphyst has left J16 to the northwest.'

Move to M12, 40 feet of movement left. Need LoS

Not done, need LoS check.

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N13.

Shooty:Mattos is in N10.

Mattos:Shooty is in N13. You see Syberphyst in D13 when you reach M10. You may revise your turn from this point.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in M10.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 3 continued

Refs/Syberphyst/ShootyStop in M10.
Free: Say 'Syberphyst is in D13' in Elven

Shoot Syberphyst: [roll0]
damage: [roll1]

End of turn.

StatsLocation: M10
Hp: 5/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
7/10 rounds of ER
9/10 rounds of +2 ranged hit

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 3

Ref/LOS

BTW Mattos, you should spoiler if your not talking in Common so if they dont speak it they wont read it.

Free: Speak in ElvenOk I'm going around to E-17 to get him in a crossfire
Move: To E-17 (Auto success on Jump check due to my Move rate.)
Free: Law to Hit.
Standard: Shoot Syberphyst (Dragons Breath) [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]+1 Fire. If hit please make a DC 15 Ref or Take [roll2] More Fire.
If you failed the save you are now on fire and take 1d5 more on your turns unless you save.


Not quite done.

[Thefurmonger]

More.
Confirm:
[roll1] More. (Never mind)

Free: LAW to AC
Free: Say in ElvenI hit him

TURN DONE

Stats
Location: E-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 8/10
Law Devotion 9/10
Blessed Aim 9/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

REFS/Syberphyst Please Read
It seems i am an idiot and rolled a D5 for the additional Fire Damage on a failed save. The real # is [roll]1d6

[Thefurmonger]

Seriously??!?!

Once again... Refs/Syberphyst...
[roll0]

None of this holds up play BTW

[RandomAction]

Refs/LoS:Here is the Save, turn to follow. DC=:[roll0]

[RandomAction]

Refs/LoS:
Well, that didn't work. Save to negate damage before turn. DC=15:[roll0]
See if this means my death before I go.

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-3:
Refs/LoS:
Good hit, btw.

Draw potion - move action.
Move somewhere out of LoS, so Refs:
Move to F-8.
Shout to Bobhorst - "Badly hurt, they coming fast! One thinks they want revenge since Shooty tripped on floating rock!"

End turn.

Stats:
Location: F-8.
Mage Armor - 1 hour duration.
Law Devotion: 8/10
Hp: 1/10
AC: 23(4armor+3Dex+3class+3Feat), T: 19, F:20
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 2

Refs/LoS


alright, still LoS on Shooty
Standard: Snipe snipety snipe
Attack [roll0] vs flatfooted AC(16 I guess with Law Devotion)
Damage [roll1]
Move: Hide after sniping [roll2] -20 included


Not done

[TheFallenOne]

Refs/LoS
Well damn

Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)
Chameleon: 99/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Syberphyst: [roll0]
Spot for Shooty: [roll1]
Spot for Mattos: [roll2]

Bobhorst:Shooty is in E17. Syberphyst is in F8, and shouts to you: "Badly hurt, they coming fast! One thinks they want revenge since Shooty tripped on floating rock!"

Syberphyst:No LoS.

Shooty:Mattos is in M10. You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits D12 to the northeast.

Mattos:Shooty is in E17. You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits G11 to the north.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 4

Refs/LoSMove to M14.

Need LoS check.

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in E17. Syberphyst is in F8. Mattos is in M16.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in M16.

Shooty:Mattos is in M16.

Mattos:Shooty is in E17. Syberphyst is in F8.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 4 continued

Refs/LoSFree: say in Elven Syberphyst is in F8

Attack Syberphyst!
[roll0]
damage: [roll1]

End of Turn.

StatsLocation: M14
Hp: 5/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
6/10 rounds of ER
8/10 rounds of +2 ranged hit

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 4

Ref/LOS

Swift: Activate Animal Devotion (Flight)

Move: To I-13
Free: Law to Hit
Standard: Shoot Syberphyst (Dragons Breath)

Attack: [roll0]
Dam: [roll1] +1 Fire
If hit and failed DC 15 save then [roll2] More Fire, and your on fire...


NOT DONE.

[Thefurmonger]

Ref/LOS

Well crap I think thats a miss....

Free: Law to AC
Free: In Elvish Damn it, I missed. I'll keep you posted on where he goes. by the way, have you seen the other one?

Sadly Turn over

Stats
Location: I-13
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 7/10
Law Devotion 8/10
Blessed Aim 9/10
Animal Devotion 10/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-4:
Refs/LoS:
Drink potion - standard
Potion effect:
Repair Light Damage potion, repairs: [roll0]
Reload Sling - move action.
I think I leave LoS with this part, so Refs:5' step to E-8
End turn.

Stats to follow.

[RandomAction]

Stats:
Location: E-8.
Mage Armor - 1 hour duration.
Law Devotion: 7/10
Hp: 2/10
AC: 23(4armor+3Dex+3class+3Feat), T: 19, F:20
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 4

Refs/LoS


Standard: Take Sniping lessons on Mattos
Attack [roll0] vs flatfooted AC(13), +4 because of cover from his buddy
Damage [roll1]
Move: Hide after sniping [roll2] -20 included


Not done

[TheFallenOne]

Refs/LoS
Wow, seems like Bobhorst needs to take a lot more lessons...


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)
Chameleon: 98/100 rounds remaining


done

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 5

Refs/LoSMove to K6

Need LoS check please.

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Syberphyst: [roll0]
Spot for Mattos: [roll1]
Spot for Shooty: [roll2]

Bobhorst:Mattos is in K6. Syberphyst is in E8. Shooty is in I13.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in K6.

Mattos:Syberphyst is in E8.

Shooty:You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits F8 to the west.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 5 continued

Refs/LoSYell in ElvenSyberphyst is in E8!

Attack Syberphyst
[roll0]
damage: [roll1]

End of turn.

StatsLocation: K6
Hp: 5/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15
5/10 rounds of ER
7/10 rounds of +2 ranged hit

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 5

Ok I think I know the only place you could go out of my LOS but to do it right....

REF/LOS
As he only had a 5' left when he moved out of my LOS from F-8 I assume he is in E-8 or E-7.

Move: To I-8
I think I should see him, but I'll go get a ref to make sure

TURN NOT DONE

Stats
Location: I-8
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 6/10
Law Devotion 7/10
Blessed Aim 8/10
Animal Devotion 9/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:Oh look, an empty spoiler.

Bobhorst:Mattos is in K6. Syberphyst is in E8. Shooty is in I8.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in K6. Shooty is in I8.

Mattos:Syberphyst is in E8.

Shooty:Syberphyst is in E8.

[Thefurmonger]

Continued.

Refs/LOS
Free: LAW to Hit
Standard: Shoot Syberphyst
Attack: [roll0]
Dam: [roll1] +1 Fire, DC 15 Ref or... [roll2] more fire and on fire.

Free: LAW to AC
Free: ElvenHave you seen the oter one?

Turn Done

Stats
Location: I-8
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Exp Retreat: 6/10
Law Devotion 7/10
Blessed Aim 8/10
Animal Devotion 9/10

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-5:
Refs/LoS:
Begin by switching devotion to attack - free.
Attack Mattos with sling - standard.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Shift devotion back to AC - free.
Move out of LoS here at some point.
Refs:
Move to D-4.
End turn.

Stats:Location: D-4.
Mage Armor - 1 hour duration.
Law Devotion: 6/10
Hp: 2/10
AC: 23(4armor+3Dex+3class+3Feat), T: 19, F:20
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[RandomAction]

Play on.

Refs/LoS:
Here is the Critical check: [roll0] and damage: [roll1] if needed.

[Sallera]

One moment.

Syberphyst:D4 would take 45ft of movement. Remember that you can't move diagonally past solid corners.

[TheFallenOne]

Hey guys, I just tried to buy a potion of Expedious Retreat in another match and my opponent reminded me that spells with a range of personal can't be made into potions. Now, both of you bought one of these. So... what now? If you already used them we'd maybe need a complete restart and that would be troublesome :smallsigh: I'd prefer some other solution

[Sallera]

Ah, yes, that was quite the oversight... well, as they have significantly affected the match up to this point, if Syberphyst and/or Bobhorst wish to call for a match restart, then we'll do that.

[TheFallenOne]

up to Syberphyst then, it may give them an advantage, but Round 84 is already going on long enough as is

On the other hand the rolls thus far seem to not have been in our favour, with the 30 ft extra movement for both we're at a disadvantage, so... Well, no idea. Could just as well flip a coin if Random is undecided too

[Thefurmonger]

Yeah wow, oops.

You are quite right that they have affected the match.

My vote would be to restart and do it right. but its up to you guys.


Wasnt there a PRC that can change personal harmless buff type spells to touch? i seem to remember it from some talk on war weavers?

[TheFallenOne]

hm if you can track that PRC down and justify the potion as a legal item that would be a nice solution. Otherwise I guess we will end up with the restart, Arena precedent for willingly allowing a rule mistake with rather big consequences is pretty thin I guess and winning because of that could maybe feel rather hollow for you

Plus, I have no idea why we didn't reactionary buy an expedious retreat potion for Syberphyst too. If you have it and he doesn't he'll never catch you in melee. Lack of insight on our part it seems

[Sallera]

Master Specialist Abjurers can do it for Abjuration spells, and Spellguard of Silverymoon can do it for certain buffs, but neither works on Expeditious Retreat. Time to restart, I believe.

[Thefurmonger]

Spellguard was what i was thinking of. well poop. how do we do this then?

[TheFallenOne]

right. Adjust your purchases if you want guys, mine stay the same. Initiative should keep the same too I guess unless Sallera says otherwise

new pre-battle stuff for Syberphyst
Just thought of this. You lose mobility because reloading your sling is a move action, so start with a loaded sling in each hand and one in your mouth and drop them after use, that way you have three shots without need of reloading

[RandomAction]

A restart would help save me right now, :smallbiggrin:

@Bobhorst:I have a different idea this time, I am going for quick melee against Mattos.

[Thefurmonger]

ok, just the one potion for me then and im all set.

[TheFallenOne]

Random
Alright. If there's any speedboosting potion better take it. Longstrider is personal too, but there may be other spells I'm missing right now

[Ranger Mattos]

Well this is unfortunate. Oh well, no purchases then.

Shooty: Same strategy though? I think we might need to try something different, they would probably expect the old one.

[Thefurmonger]

@MAttosUp to you. at this point im open to ideas :)

[TheFallenOne]

Random
You know what, go for the 3 slings anyway. They don't even cost money and you can just drop them anytime if you get into melee range. Additional options with no disadvantage never hurt

Just to make sure, even though the match until this point is void the spoilers shouldn't be read in case anyone will repeat the same course of action

Ready when you are guys. Could have been worse if we discovered this mistake late in the match

[Ranger Mattos]

ShootyI think we should do what we did before, although they might expect it and team up too.

[RandomAction]

No purchases, ready to rumble.

@Bobhorst:
Don't worry about me. I am going all out to find and eliminate Mattos. You should concentrate on Shooty and remove him from play, his ranged buff spell is/will cause some serious problems.

[TheFallenOne]

Random
No chance to get him before he casts the buff. 1 round climb up, 1 round psionic tattoo, then start sniping

good thing is that Shooty only has +3 spot, so it's unlikely he'll ever find me even when I snipe

[TheFallenOne]

alright, seems all are set. Mattos is on again

Let's get this started, poor Dormin and Gallows are stuck waiting for their opponents victims in the finals

[TheFallenOne]

um, Mattos? Everyone declared their lack of purchases, you're on

[Ranger Mattos]

Whoops, sorry.

Mattos round 1

Refs/LoSMove from W7 to P5

End of turn.

StatsLocation: W7
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 1 Mk.2

REF/LOS
Start in W-19 Bow in hand
Move to P-17

Turn done


Stats
Location: P-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:18 FF:15 T:13
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-1-retake:
Refs/LoS:
Start in D-20, holding loaded sling and potion.
Double move to A-20.
End turn.

Stats:
Location: A-20
Hp: 10/10
AC: 20(2armor+3Dex+3class), T: 16, F:16
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Starting Position (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8196626&postcount=17)

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 1

Refs/LoS

Move: Place ladder against wall
Move: Climb ladder up to D9(Autosuccess on DC 5 climb)
Free as part of Move: Draw light crossbow
Move Silently: [roll0]
Hide: [roll1]
Free: Reload crossbow

Let me already state that in the first two rounds I'll decline any rewinds if LoS is established before my turn


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Well, that was quick.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

Shooty:No LoS.

Mattos:You see Syberphyst enter B23.

Syberphyst:When you enter B23, you see Mattos in P5. You may revise your turn from this point.

Rewind to Syberphyst's turn.

[RandomAction]

No change other than this:
Refs/LoS:
Activate Law Devotion setting bonus to AC.

[TheFallenOne]

no change. Next

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Mattos: [roll0]

Bobhorst:Shooty is in P17.

Shooty:Syberphyst is in A20.

Mattos:You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits A21 to the north.

Syberphyst:Shooty is in P17.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 2

Ref/LoSMove from P5 to N9

End of turn.

StatsLocation: N9
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 2 Mk.2

Ref/LOS
Swift: Activate Law (Hit)
Move: To N-17
Standard: Shoot Syberphyst
Att: [roll0]
Dam: [roll1] +1 Fire, DC 15 or [roll2] More and on fire.... you know how it works by now.
Free: Law to AC
Free: YELL (Elven)The Monk is in A-20


Turn done

Stats
Location: N-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 10/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:... ... ...

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N17.

Shooty:Syberphyst is in A20. Mattos is in N9.

Mattos:Shooty is in N17. Syberphyst is in A20.

Syberphyst:Shooty is in N17. Mattos is in N9.

[RandomAction]

One second, please. Doesn't hold up play,

Refs/LoS:
Ok then, here is the save, turn will follow.
Reflex DC:15 = [roll0]

[RandomAction]

Well then...

Syberphyst,R-2, retake:
Refs/LoS:
Shift devotion to attack - free.
Attack Mattos - standard.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Shift devotion back to AC - free.

I don't know if this removes me from LoS, but just in case.
Refs: I think I will have cover from Mattos.
Move to A-17 at half speed and try to hide there.
Hide check: [roll2]
End turn.

Stats:

Location: A-17
Law Devotion - 9/10 rounds
Hp: 5/10
AC: 20(2armor+3Dex+3class), T: 16, F:16
Saves: +5/+5/+1

Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 2

Refs/LoS


Standard: Activate Psionic Tattoo Chameleon
Free: Hold crossbow in offhand
Move: Retrieve ladder
Free: Drop ladder to C8
Free: hold crossbow with both hands again
Hide with Camouflage Netting [roll0]


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size)
Chameleon: 100/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Mattos can't make the Spot check.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N17.

Shooty:Mattos in in N9. You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits A18 to the north.

Mattos:Shooty is in N17. You lose LoS to Syberphyst as he exits A20 to the north.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N9.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 3

Refs/LoSMove from N9 to N15.

Need LoS check.

[Sallera]

Refs:Well, that doesn't change much.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N17. Mattos in in N15.

Shooty:Mattos in in N15.

Mattos:Shooty is in N17.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N15.

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 3 continued

Refs/LoSReady an actionShoot if either Syberphyst or Bobhorst comes within LoS

End of turn.

Stats: Location: N15
Hp: 8/8
AC: 18, FF: 13, T: 15

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 3

Ref/LOSMove: To I-17
Free: In elvenDid you see where he went after going north out of A-18?
Standard: Cast a spell DC 16 Spellcraft Blessed Aim


Turn Done

@MattosYou have blessed aim for 10 rounds, +2 to ranged

Stats
Location: N-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 9/9 Left
Blessed Aim 10/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-3:
Refs/LoS:
Reload sling - move action.
Ready an Action - standard.
Trigger -
Attack Mattos if he moves or attacks.
If LoS is gained to Shooty and only if he casts a spell attak him instead.

I think that is a legal trigger, if not please let me know. Also, am I allowed to take a 5' step with my readied action?
Switch devotion to Attack -free.
End turn.

Stats:
Location: A-18
Devotion: 8/10 rounds
Hp: 5/10
AC: 23(2armor+3Dex+3class+3feat), T: 19, F:19
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 3

Refs/LoS

Free: Drop prone
Standard: Snipe Mattos
Attack [roll0] vs FF AC
Damage [roll1]
Move: Hide after Sniping [roll2]


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size), prone
Chameleon: 99/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Mattos:Syberphyst reloads his sling in A17, triggering your readied action. Do you take it?

Need clarification.

[TheFallenOne]

Ref question, doesn't hold up play
Will Shooty see that Mattos gets hit by a crossbow bolt? Assuming LoS, will I see if one of them gets hit by a sling bullet?

Btw, my action will stay the same unless somehow Mattos somehow goes unconscious before my turn

[Ranger Mattos]

Yes.

Ref/SyberphystReadied action triggered. Shoot at Syberphyst.

[roll0]
damage: [roll1]

[Sallera]

Syberphyst:As you reload your sling, you are attacked by Mattos as above. You may revise the rest of your turn.

[RandomAction]

Thanks Sallera.

Syberphyst,R-3,redux:
Refs/LoS:
Nod towards opponent - free.
Devotion to Attack - free.
Fire Sling @ Mattos - standard.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Devotion to AC - free.
End turn.

Stats:Location: A-18
Devotion: 8/10 rounds
Hp: 4/10
AC: 23(2armor+3Dex+3class+3feat), T: 19, F:19
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Mattos: [roll0]
Spot for Shooty: [roll1]

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N17. Mattos in in N15.

Shooty:Mattos in in N15, and is hit by an attack.

Mattos:Shooty is in N17. Bobhorst hits you for 6, then appears in D9.

Syberphyst:Mattos is in N15, and is hit by an attack.

Init order now Shooty, Mattos, Syberphyst, Bobhorst. Shooty's turn.

[Thefurmonger]

Free: In Elven Who Shot you?!?!?! where are they?

Note to Mattos. you CAN reply out of turn, I checked in the waiting room, If you are not going to, please post no reply so im not waiting for nothing.

[TheFallenOne]

Don't forget he has to roll listen to hear it

[Thefurmonger]

We are only 40ish feet apart with LOS. I would assume he can hear me yelling at him.

If he does have to roll so be it, but i assume we are ok

[TheFallenOne]

yeah, RAW is rather unreasonable when it comes to people talking... 40 feet is -4 for distance, he has to beat the DC by 10 to make out the words... Not a given he makes the check. Had the same problem in my Round 90 match

[Thefurmonger]

So, hold on here.

if i am standing next to someone and they say "hey man, whats up?" i have to make a DC 10 listen check to understand it?!?

If we start enforcing the rule for all matches then sure, im all for it.

[TheFallenOne]

Well, the way precedent roles as far as I'm aware you can whisper to an adjacent ally and he'll automatically hear you, but once there's distance roles have to be made

That's how I played it in my Round 90 match (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147800&page=2), no idea if it isn't enforced in other matches

[Thefurmonger]

As far as I can tell, the only time it has been enforced is if the parties are behind walls/have no LOS or if they are trying to whisper without being heard.

There are LOADS of matches where partners have talked to each other or their opponents with no check.

As I said, if thats how we (the high refs) want it, then thats fine by me, but we really need to think about the can of worms we are opening.
That and and I said thats not how it has been done in the past.

[TheFallenOne]

well, fine by me since it works for both teams, I'm just not sure how you want to handle it if not by RAW. So, up to which distance tcan you talk and automatically hear each other? Sure, having to roll for 10 feet distance is ridiculous from a RL perspective, but what about 100? 200?

Well, we could just dig through precedent now to see how it's handled, but let's just wait for a High Ref to make the call.

[Scorer]

High Ref Scorer

Please note that SRD says that the DC for listening people talking is 0, and to hear someone whispering is 15.

However, that's just to listen, to actually understand it, you have to beat the DC by 10.

Now the issue is, If whisper is DC 15 and normal volume talking is 0, then what would be the DC for shouting? if Shouting has a DC of -10, then understaing a shout would be DC 0, thus, auto pass (on most cases). But if DC is -5, then to understand a shout would be 5, plus the distance modifier (in this case +4 = DC 9)

And all of this is accounting that there's no wall blocking anything (which I know is the case.)

I used to post shoutings in the open thinking everyone could hear you anywhere. I do such no more cause not everyone hears you everwhere :smallredface:.

[Thefurmonger]

thats all quite true, but if we go with straight RAW then to understand the guy next to you talking TO YOU is a DC 10. thats just absurd.

In this case I am in LOS of my partner, not that far away with no walls, shouting in Elven so he can hear me. Sadly by RAW it seems that chances are that he cant.

I have a feeling we may need that mighty summoning spell the name of wich i will not speak....


High Ref Scorer

Please note that SRD says that the DC for listening people talking is 0, and to hear someone whispering is 15.

However, that's just to listen, to actually understand it, you have to beat the DC by 10.

Now the issue is, If whisper is DC 15 and normal volume talking is 0, then what would be the DC for shouting? if Shouting has a DC of -10, then understaing a shout would be DC 0, thus, auto pass (on most cases).

That also means the to be understood 100% of the time I have to stand next to someone and SHOUT in their ear. (-10 for shout, +10 to understand)

Im all for RAW but come on.

[TheFallenOne]

I could spend the night rumbling about RAW oddities, but then I'd miss my philosophy seminar tomorrow. Yes, listening is handled very badly by RAW, but that's all we have.

Though if we assume Shouting is DC-10, DC0 to understand, he would hear you with his +7 modifier and -4 distance. Problem is that RAW gives no DC for shouting, only talking. So yeah, since this is something important for many a match I fear you have to summon Big K.

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

On Listen Checks In LoS: Precedent says that anyone speaking in a strong voice (ie: not whispering) is automatically heard by those in LoS.


On Listen Checks Without LoS: Precedent says that noise, even a load shout isn't automatically heard if you don't have LoS to the source, making listen checks required. The base DC is set by the local LoS ref, but is usually between -5 and -10 for shouting depending on the ref and how pointedly loud the shouter implied themself to be.

For speech improperly posted in the open warnings may be issued, but rewinds are rarely called for unless the shout legality had been challenged.

[TheFallenOne]

Well, I then suggest this be added to the Arena Precedents. I played it differently and didn't read what my teammate tried to tell me in Round 90

[Psionic Dog]

The Listen Precedents are a mess truthfully: what I listed was how I and a few others commonly have ruled, but I'm sure other refs have done differently both now and in the past.

The only real rule on speech and listen seems to be "LoS Ref's Choice" -and- "Anything within the limits of Precedent and/or RAW provided the rulings are consistent for the whole match"

I guess we, the unpaid refs, probably ought to put something more official into writing...

[hustlertwo]

Or we could continue to half-ass it. That's always an option.

Yeah, basic listen precedents for 2v2s as far as I've both ruled them, and seen them ruled, would be that next to each other, you can whisper and automatically hear, no check needed. Others not next to you but close have to roll for it. Like Psionic said, if you have LoS, you can post it out in the open. It's just easier that way. This is one of those times Arena precedent overrides RAW, for the better in my opinion. We can add it to the rule list, but first we'd all need to sit down (or summon Kyeudo) and determine whether this is the way it should work, officially..

[Scorer]

I guess we, the unpaid refs, probably ought to put something more official into writing...

Unpaid you say? :smallfrown:

[Thefurmonger]

With this many refs weighing in I feel confident in re-posting what I did last page. As we have LOS Mattos will be able to hear it due to arena presedent.

Honestly this is one reason it's so nice when you and your partner share a language.



Free: In Elven Who Shot you?!?!?! where are they? and did you see where the Monk went? Or was it him that shot you?

Note to Mattos. you CAN reply out of turn, I checked in the waiting room, If you are not going to, please post no reply so im not waiting for nothing.

[Ranger Mattos]

Sorry I've been gone a little. Homework and all.

Free: In ElvenIt was the halfling. He's in D9. I didn't see where the monk went.

Whose turn is it now?

[Thefurmonger]

Mine I'll post it in a few

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 4

Ref/LOS
Free: In Elven If you didnt see where he went then I'm fairly sure the monk is in A-17, I think they are hiding to try to wait our buffs out. I already hit the monk once, I'm going for the halfling.

Free: LAW to Hit
Full round: Rapid shot D-9
Free: Hope to god he is in D-9
Attack 1: [roll0] [roll1] Hit on 2
Attack 2: [roll2] [roll3] Hit on 2

Confirm (I wish) [roll4]

Dam 1: [roll5]+1 Fire
Dam 2: [roll6]+1 Fire

If either hit make a DC 15 Ref save or take [roll7] More fire damage.

More to come.

[Thefurmonger]

Ref/LOS
Free: LAW to AC
Free: in elven Damn it I missed

Turn done

Stats
Location: I-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 8/9 Left
Blessed Aim 9/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Ranger Mattos]

Mattos round 4

Refs/LoSStandard: drink potion of Cure Light
Wounds for:[roll0] hp.
Move to J18.

LoS check please.

[TheFallenOne]

Mattos
Were you holding that potion? :smallconfused: It would be a move action to draw it if not

[Ranger Mattos]

Refs/FallenOneI suppose I could use the same mechanics as drawing a weapon to draw it during the move, then drink it once I'm there.

[Sallera]

Mattos:You can't do that with a potion, only weapons.

[Ranger Mattos]

RefsOk, should I edit my turn to something else?

[Sallera]

Mattos:Aye, modify it to something legal.

[TheFallenOne]

Is Mattos' turn resolved or are we still waiting on him?

[Sallera]

Still waiting.

[TheFallenOne]

*sigh* he's well into DQ time(I'm assuming this applies for correcting mistakes in your turn too). If he doesn't show up soon I'll request a DQ, otherwise this match will go nowhere

[Sallera]

High Ref Sallera

Mattos vacillates straight into a bolt of Ref Lightning.

[Thefurmonger]

Awsome.... Ok so what is the Order now? I'm a tad confused.

[TheFallenOne]

Shooty
Syberphyst
Bobhorst

Syberphysts turn

Another 2on1 *sigh* Don't like it, but we gave Mattos plenty of time and I don't want to break any records for match/round duration here

[RandomAction]

Before I make my move, I would like to have an LoS check.

[Sallera]

Refs:Blank.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in N17.

Shooty:No LoS.

Syberphyst:No LoS.

[RandomAction]

Hm.......

Syberphyst,R-4:
Refs/LoS:
Move to A-10.
Reload sling - move.
End turn.

Stats:Location: A-10
Devotion: 7/10 rounds
Hp: 4/10
AC: 23(2armor+3Dex+3class+3feat), T: 19, F:19
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 4

Refs/LoS/Shooty

Since you rolled a miss chance, I assume you didn't beat my hide, but Mattos told you where I am.
You see Bobhorst appear prone in D9 after shooting you from hiding
Free: reload crossbow
Standard: Shoot Shooty [roll0] vs FF AC
Damage [roll1]
Free: reload crossbow
Move: stand up
leave Los to the west
5 foot step to C19
Hide [roll2]


Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size), prone
Chameleon: 98/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Bobhorst:You see Syberphyst in A10 before your turn. Does this change your actions? (Also, I presume you meant C9, rather than C19.)

[TheFallenOne]

revised. scrap the @Shooty part, instead @Syberphyst. Sorry for the typo in my original turn post
Move: Stand up
partial move to B9
Free: shift potion to hand
Free: whisper Hey buddy, you wounded? Shooty is in N17, unwounded, Law Devotion active. I had hit Mattos for 6 damage, but doesn't matter now. I'll try to climb up next round and then hide with my Camouflage Netting to start sniping again, my former location was compromised. What's your plan?
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]


done

[Sallera]

Refs:This should be over shortly, I imagine.

Syberphyst:No LoS, but you hear a whisper as above.

Bobhorst:Syberphyst is in A10.

Shooty:No LoS.

[Ranger Mattos]

Noooooooooo! Sorry furmonger. I was grounded because my sister threw a chunk of solid pewter at me and broke a window :smallfrown:

Oh well. Kill them anyways.

[TheFallenOne]

Furmonger? Your turn, don't just follow Mattos on the lightning road

[Thefurmonger]

Sorry, Im just trying to figure out how the LOS worked out like it did....

Shooty Round 5

REF/LOS
Swift Activate Animal (Flight)
Move to E-17

NOT DONE

Stats
Location: E-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 7/9 Left
Blessed Aim 8/10 Left
Animal Devotion 10/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:Oops.

Syberphyst:Shooty is in I17.

Bobhorst:Syberphyst is in A10.

Shooty:Sorry, I missed that somehow. Syberphyst is in A10, where you can see him from the beginning of your turn. You may revise your actions.

[Thefurmonger]

Ok, that makes a lot more sense.

Shooty Round 5 (Redo)

REF/LOS
Free: Law To Hit
Rapidshot Syberphyst
A1 [roll0]
A2 [roll1]

D1 [roll2]+1 fire
D2 [roll3]+1 fire

If hit, DC 15 or [roll4] More fire and on fire. you know the rest.
Free: Law to AC
Free: Curse Mattos's Sister.


Man I hope that worked. Turn Done

Stats
Location: E-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 7/9 Left
Blessed Aim 8/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[RandomAction]

Syberphyst,R-5:
Refs/LoS:
5' step to A-11 - free.
Shift devotion to Attack - free.
Fire sling @ Shooty - standard.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Shift devotion back to AC - free.
Reload sling - move.
End turn.

Stats:Location: A-11
Devotion: 6/10 rounds
Hp: 4/10
AC: 23(2armor+3Dex+3class+3feat), T: 19, F:19
Saves: +5/+5/+1
Listen/Spot: -1/+3

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 5

Refs/Los

Free: drop potion, reload crossbow, switch it to mouth
Move: climb up to B10 [roll0] DC 15
If fail, try again [roll1]
Hide [roll2] if success with first check hide nit camouflage netting
Move Silently [roll3]


not done

[TheFallenOne]

Refs/LoS
well, that wasn't very productive

Stats

Hp: 9/9
AC: Full 18, Flat-Footed 13, Touch 16 (+5 Dex, +2 Armor, +1 Size), prone
Chameleon: 97/100 rounds remaining


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Hide in not-quite-plain sight.

Syberphyst:Shooty is in I17. You see a potion appear on the ground in B9.

Bobhorst:Syberphyst is in A11.

Shooty:Syberphyst is in A11.

[TheFallenOne]

Refs
Syberphyst 5 foot stepped to A11

doesn't hold up play, Shootys turn

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty Round 6


REF/LOS
Free: Law To Hit
Rapidshot Syberphyst
A1 [roll0]
A2 [roll1]

D1 [roll2]+1 fire
D2 [roll3]+1 fire

If hit, DC 15 or [roll4] More fire and on fire. you know the rest.
Free: Law to AC
Free: Think, for the love of god die.


Man I hope that worked. this time. Turn Done

Stats
Location: E-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 6/9 Left
Blessed Aim 7/10 Left

HP: 9 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Thefurmonger]

Had to fix stats

Also I think that drops Syberphyst as he cant make a reflex save when in the neg. (14 damage I THINK makes -10)

Stats
Location: E-17
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 6/9 Left
Blessed Aim 7/10 Left

HP: 7 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[TheFallenOne]

oh, damn. Well, in case you're right it would be my turn

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 6

Refs/Los

Move: climb up to B10 [roll0] DC 15
Hide [roll1]
Move Silently [roll2]


not done

[TheFallenOne]

Ref/Los
Oh, come on
*sigh* move to A10. Same hide check should apply


done

[Sallera]

Refs:*tosses bags of flour at bystanders*

Bobhorst:Shooty is in I17.

Shooty:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

Ok, time to play find the archer.....

Shooty Round 6

REF/LOS
First things first.
Swift: Animal (Flight)
Move to: End At A-11 (Double Move)


Turn done, may need to revise based on LOS

Stats
Location: A-11
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 6/9 Left
Blessed Aim 7/10 Left
Animal Devotion 10/10

HP: 7 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[TheFallenOne]

LoS established. I'm in A10, looking wide-eyed at you

[Thefurmonger]

At what point would i have gained LOS?

[TheFallenOne]

Only once you're in the A row I believe, you can't possibly beat my hide check, so you need LoS without cover

[Thefurmonger]

Ok, then A-11 it is and for what its worth, Shooty looks as suprised as you do.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 7

Free: switch crossbow to mouth
Free: tap Shooty on the forehead and say "You're it!"
Move: A9, then leave LoS to the east
Let's go for sheer audacity here. Go to F10(still cover from A11), hide with Camouflage Netting
[roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]


done

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty 7

Round and round the mullberry bush.......

Ref/LOS
Fly to G-11 (10 ft up, so level with where i was)


Need LOS

Stats
Location: A-11
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 5/10 Left
Blessed Aim 6/10 Left
Animal Devotion 9/10

HP: 7 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[Sallera]

Refs:No making that spot check.

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in G11+10.

[Sallera]

Refs:Forgot the listen, though. [roll0]

Carry on.

[TheFallenOne]

Refs
I know he has Blessed Aim, Law Devotion and Animal Devotion active, so it would be advantageous for me to simply outwait those buffs. Since there's no way he can find me unless he has some Detection spell readied or starts shooting blindly, is there a way to fast-forward a couple of rounds? I really don't want to keep saying "no action" for a week while he runs around the map and asks for LoS checks, guess I'd rather attack anyway although waiting is in my favour

Doesn't hold up play

[Thefurmonger]

Ok quick question as Im not sure how it works.

Lets say he is in C-9 (If you are I'm sorry to out you :biggrin: )

Do I auto see him when I get to F-9? no cover from him to me?

[Sallera]

Aye, for the most part, that's how it works.

Bobhorst:You could suggest it to him if you wanted.

[TheFallenOne]

Refs

Alright, I'll do that once I had chance to relocate so he can't just shoot the squares I could be in randomly. Seems he isn't aware of how Camouflage Netting works

[TheFallenOne]

his last turn wasn't finished, was it?

[Thefurmonger]

No, ill end on I-10

That was for LOS/refs BTW

Turn done.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 8

Refs/Los

well, I'll at least wait until he leaves LoS/has a higher range penalty to spot
Ready Action
Move if he left LoS
Stay hidden


done

[Sallera]

Refs:So maybe not as quick.

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:Shooty is in I10+10.

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty

ref/los
Move to S-11 ground level

Turn done.

Stats
Location: S-11
Main: Bow
Off-hand: Empty
Law Devotion 4/10 Left
Blessed Aim 5/10 Left
Animal Devotion 8/10

HP: 7 (Rageclaws)
AC:21 FF:18 T:16
Fort:3 Ref:5 Will:3

Spot: +3
Listen +1

Spells

Guidance
Guidance
Light

Truestrike
Blessed Aim
Magic Weapon

[TheFallenOne]

Ref/Los
Left LoS, that triggers my readied action. Move to A12
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn 10

Refs/Los

Move to A17
Ready Action
Move if
He attacks me, he blindly attacks my square, he ends his turn in my square
Hide with Camouflage Netting [roll2]
Move Silently [roll3]


done

OK furmonger I'll be honest with you now. Seems you don't know what my Camouflage Netting this. In short, it allows me to hide in a square without cover as long as I have a move action left after arriving in said square. My Hide modifier is +26, so unless you brought a Detection spell it is impossible for you to find me until I start sniping you, getting -20 on hide. I know you have Law Devotion, Blessed Aim and Animal Devotion active, so it is in my interest to outwait those buffs. So unless you want to start shooting random squares, I propose we fast-forward until your buffs run out. Or you just take 8, 9 rounds in a row, unless you hope to get lucky by shooting blindly I'll do nothing apart from keeping up my readied action

[Thefurmonger]

Oh i understand how the netting works. I'll be honest tho, the fact that you can be in a plain featureless area and I cant notice the man sized lump is beyond stupid.

The "I hide/turn Invisiable and make the game take months due to LOS checks/not seeing each other" game is about enough to make me just concede any match i find it in as I find that there are a lot more fun ways to spend an afternoon like DIY eye surgery for example.

However having said that I do applaude you for getting such a high Hide DC that when coupled with camo netting makes me want to take the Mattos express and rent a sister just to have her throw things at me in the hope that my mother will hear of it and ground me from the computer.

Now that I have that out of my system I will accept your offer as I assumed that was the plan.

Shooty (round who cares-till I fall asleep)

Ref
I end up in W-19 with a ready action to shoot him if i see him

[TheFallenOne]

Oh believe me, I don't like hiding endlessly while LoS checks have to be made either. I planned Bobhorst as a mobile sniper, sadly it turned out he is way more effective as a sitting duck(though I have an idea how to fix it next level)

The catch here is that you can't possibly find me, so we don't need endless LoS checks while I wait. Bobhorst was my first Arena character and I disliked the amount of LoS checks he needed and all the work that meant for a few Refs. Take a look at my character Sturmherz and his matches in Round 89 to see what my solution for this problem was. I just could have waited 9 rounds while you keep asking for LoS, but instead I revealed my hand to get the boring search-and-don't-get-LoS phase over in one stroke

[TheFallenOne]

would it be my turn then?

[Thefurmonger]

Looks that way, tho we are about to embark on yet more LOS checks.

[TheFallenOne]

unfortunately, yes. Well, now I know not to make a character focused on hiding again

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+1

Refs/Los

assuming no LoS
Move to A10
Shoot if he ends turn in LoS without readying an action
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]


done

[Thefurmonger]

Shooty.

Ref/los
Maintain ready action

Done

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+2

Refs/Los

Double Move: First A9, then I9, autosucceed on Jump(according to Psidog only width of the gap counts, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8382287&postcount=105) otherwise I'll revise), end in I7
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]


done

well let's wait on LoS for now

[Sallera]

Refs:*poke*

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

Refs/LOS Continue with the same ready action

Done.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+3

Refs/Los

assuming no LoS
Move to P6
Ready Action
Shoot if he ends turn in LoS without readying an action
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]


done

[Sallera]

Refs:*poke*

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

ref/losYet again i hold my ready action.

Done

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+4

Refs/Los

hm this may be risky, miscalculated on my last move
Double Move to X4
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]
edit: *facepalm* totally forgot I can't use the netting after a double move :smallsigh: ah well, what's posted has to be kept

done

[Thefurmonger]

Getting LOS

[Sallera]

Refs:*prod*

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

WOO HOO, You will never see this one a comin'

ref/losContinue to stand in the corner and maintain my ready action

Turn done.

[TheFallenOne]

why not? :smallconfused:

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+5

Refs/Los

Move to Z10
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]
Ready Action:
Shoot if he ends turn in LoS without readying an action, enters LoS and tries to leave it again

done

[Sallera]

Refs:*punt*

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

ref/los

Boy o boy, you will never guess what I'm gonna do......

Yep, stay where I am and continue to hold my ready action.

Turn done.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+6

Refs/Los

He's not simply staying in the same place waiting for me is he? :smallconfused: Would be rather inconsequential after his rant about hiding and stalling characters
Well, I covered most of the map now, so I just hope we're not both going clockwise
Move to Z17
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]
Ready Action:
Shoot if he ends turn in LoS without readying an action, enters LoS and tries to leave it again

done

[Sallera]

Refs:*shuriken*

Shooty:No LoS.

Bobhorst:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

ref/losyet again, I hold my ready action

TURN DONE

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+6

Refs/Los

Move to X23
Hide [roll0]
Move Silently [roll1]
Ready Action:
Shoot if he ends turn in LoS without readying an action, enters LoS and tries to leave it again

done

[Sallera]

Refs:Listen for Shooty: [roll0]

Bobhorst:When you reach Z18, you see Shooty in W19. You may revise your turn from this point.

Shooty:No LoS.

Rewind to Bobhorst's turn.

[TheFallenOne]

Refs/LoS

Finally
Move to Y18
Ready Action: Shoot him if he ends turn without readying an action, tries to enter cover or leave LoS

done

[Sallera]

Refs:*sigh*

Bobhorst:Shooty is in W19.

Shooty:No LoS.

[Thefurmonger]

ref/losyet again I stand here with my ready action

Turn done

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+7

Refs/Los

ah, so he did just camp in one place.
Well, it would be advantageous to go to a more distant location to start sniping from to increase his penalty to spot, but this charade went on long enough

Free: drop prone
Standard: Snipe Snipety Snipe [roll0]
Damage [roll1]
Move: Hide after Sniping [roll2]

done

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Shooty: [roll0]

Bobhorst:Shooty is in W19.

Shooty:You are shot (A:20, D:4). You do not see your attacker.

[Thefurmonger]

Outch..

Ref/losReady an actionCast true strike if he ends his turn while i know where he is

Turn done.

[TheFallenOne]

Bobhorst the Foxdevilswild Turn X+8

Refs/Los

Free: reload crossbow
Standard: Snipe Snipety Snipe [roll0]
Damage [roll1]
Move: Hide after Sniping [roll2]
edit: uhoh. Nice damage, but the bad Hide could break my neck


done

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Shooty: [roll0]

LoS established as Bobhorst shoots Shooty (A:16, D:8). Bobhorst is in Y18, prone. Shooty is in W19.

[TheFallenOne]

ohoh. This is gonna hurt :smallbiggrin:

[Thefurmonger]

alright my ready action goes off. Cast truestrike

Shoot you [roll0]

Damage [roll1] the 1 pt is fire. if hit please make a DC 15 Ref check or [roll2] more fire and you catch on fire.

also I am at -3 currently.

[TheFallenOne]

Reflex [roll0] doh!

[TheFallenOne]

well, I should probably retreat now and heal myself, but truth to be told this game went long enough and I'm honestly not that keen on a slow final with Dormin constantly hiding in his Fellmist Robe, Gallows invisible and me hiding with my netting, so I'll go for the longshot here and either finish it with a lucky shot or I'm literally toast. Sorry Random
What action is rolling on the ground for +4 on the save, move? I'll assume for now, if not I'll instead draw a potion and shift it to mouth

Standard: Countershot [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Move: roll on the floor laughing burning [roll2]

edit: well the damage would have been enough, but it's a miss sadly. Your turn

[Thefurmonger]

Ok. and i quite agree that this needs to end. however with a failed save to catch fire we need to see if any of your equipment burns up.

I can only see it mattering for the netting as 4 pts wont destroy anything else, i dont think. whats the hardness/hp of potions or bolts? i sure dont know. it may not even matter tho if this hits.

spend 3 turns to activate law again. (Hit)

shoot you

1d20+9[

Dam [roll0] if hit and failed save [roll1] more and yet again... on fire.

[Thefurmonger]

wow i suck.

[roll0] again.

[Thefurmonger]

Does that blessedly end this? please god i hope?

[TheFallenOne]

with +4 cover and +4 prone that's a miss. End turn?

edit: I'd really like to just give you the victory so I can resubmit Bobhorst with Travel Devotion and get the mobile sniper I actually wanted, though my teammate might feel betrayed by me if I do so

[Thefurmonger]

its up to you, my turn ends with me putting law to ac and dropping prone.

as we are continuing it looks like it actually matters the hardness/hp of potions and the netting from when you were on fire.

[RandomAction]

No that alright TheFallenOne. Syberphyst was a prototype character. I have decided to retire him and create a new variation. It was a good match/rematch anyways.

[TheFallenOne]

alright. Charge of the Light Brigade then!

Move: stand up
Free: drop crossbow
Free: GERONIMOOOOOOO!
5 foot step to X19
Jump to negate damage: [roll0] if fail take [roll1]
Standard: unarmed attack [roll2]
Damage [roll3]

let's go out with style :smallbiggrin:

If this against all probability takes you out, I commit seppuku before you bleed out. Just wanted a last token gesture before giving the match to you

[Thefurmonger]

LOL, ok i have to admit, that was a great way to go.

I do appreciate the lesson in why i need spells to help me spot people.

[TheFallenOne]

yes you do, especially considering the opposition in the final. Snipers are annoying and hard to counter without a good spot modifier, that's why I designed Sturmherz as the nightmare of casters and shooters

And you gotta admit, it would have been hilarious if that suicidecharge actually worked :smallbiggrin:

Well then, I formally yield. Good luck in the final, trust me, you'll need it

[Sallera]

We get to face everyone! :smallbiggrin: I was hoping that'd happen.

Shooty and Mattos claim victory by virtue of flying, screaming, burning corpse-dodging.

[TheFallenOne]

haha, yeah, it's a nice touch of 2on2s that it's possible to fight every other team. Kind of why I hope Psidog and Vollmond make it into the final in Round 90

well then, I'm gonna resubmit Bobhorst then after some corrections. Travel Devotion + insane hide + Camouflage Netting - move and snipe afterwards, snipe and move afterwards. Way more fun to play :smallbiggrin: