Dragon with AMF

[Balor01]

Most monsters with all their "mumbo-jumbo" can do damn little ws. lvl 20 wizs. But I was thinking ... would a great wyrm dragon with constant AMF on, be a threat to a wizard? Say, if a dragon would protect an item? It could just sit there and vomit fire/acid/... (whatever dragon type is). Or could wizard somehow touch the dragon?

[Frosty]

Depends on what level the wizard is really. The Wizard can still Gate in Solars to do his bidding. Or if not that, use Conjuration damage spells metamagic'ed enough to kill the dragon in one shot.

If we're sticking to Core, then there's still Contingency to worry about.

[Mastikator]

Disjunction has a 20% chance for a wizard to destroy the AMF.

Failing that the wizard would be forced to teleport out. Unless the wizard is already inside the AMF, in which case he has no course of action to escape or remove the AMF, basically he's screwed. A wizard without spells is just a high level commoner, but a dragon without spells is still a big badass dragon.

[Runestar]

An AMF isn't really big enough to cover a great wyrm dragon anyways, unless you widen it (which only the red dragon and metallic dragon can do).

Alternatively, hover above the dragon, PAO a beach ball into uranium/plutonium ball and let it drop onto the dragon. Remember the rules for throwing damage in complete warrior. :smallcool:

[krossbow]

Orbs can still hurt that lizard. Alot of other conjuration spells also continue to work in an anti-magic field as well.

[Balor01]

Depends on what level the wizard is really. The Wizard can still Gate in Solars to do his bidding. Or if not that, use Conjuration damage spells metamagic'ed enough to kill the dragon in one shot.

If we're sticking to Core, then there's still Contingency to worry about.
Yup, summoning (or simulacrum) can be a problem. I guess one just has to "import" some epic monsters then.

[Starbuck_II]

Most monsters with all their "mumbo-jumbo" can do damn little ws. lvl 20 wizs. But I was thinking ... would a great wyrm dragon with constant AMF on, be a threat to a wizard? Say, if a dragon would protect an item? It could just sit there and vomit fire/acid/... (whatever dragon type is). Or could wizard somehow touch the dragon?

You do realize that Breath attacks are supernatural...right?

[Optimystik]

Core-only, the Wizard can't do much besides run, or Planar Bind some artillery (like a Pit Fiend.)

Splats provide a ton of options. Orbs are a good standby, because Dragons generally have awful touch AC without Scintillating Scales (and even with them, the Wizard still has True Strike, Moment of Prescience and other goodies.) Then we have Cheater of Mystra, a marvelous feat.


You do realize that Breath attacks are supernatural...right?

A large enough dragon can stick its head out of the emanation to fire.

[PhoenixRivers]

You do realize that Breath attacks are supernatural...right?

You do realize that breath weapons are the weakest option in a dragon's arsenal, right?

[Saph]

Besides, you can set it up so as to get a Breath Weapon AND an AMF. We worked out the details a while back in one of those interminable "Wizard Vs X" threads.

[Starbuck_II]

A large enough dragon can stick its head out of the emanation to fire.

Morbo says AMF doesn't work that way, human!

Even if it did, Breath weapons come from your square not your head.

[PhoenixRivers]

Morbo says AMF doesn't work that way, human!

Even if it did, Breath weapons come from your square not your head.

That's easy, Just have one square sticking out. It's unaffected, and can breath. Then rotate to protect that square.

[ericgrau]

He said your square not your head's :smalltongue:. Though I see no such restriction in the spell description. Which brings up a bit of a logistical issue. Great wyrms are colossal and an AMF's radius is only 10 feet.


You do realize that breath weapons are the weakest option in a dragon's arsenal, right?
Still enough to one shot a level 20 wizard, or come awfully close. Two shot if he is not surprised and has protection from energy of the correct type. Though getting the wizard inside the AMF still seems like a better idea. Even instantaneous conjurations can't be cast while inside (only into it from outside).

[Myou]

That's easy, Just have one square sticking out. It's unaffected, and can breath. Then rotate to protect that square.

That doesn't work at all - AMF doesn't block line of effect, so if any part of you lies outside it, you're totally vulnerable to spells. :smallconfused:

[PhoenixRivers]

That doesn't work at all - AMF doesn't block line of effect, so if any part of you lies outside it, you're totally vulnerable to spells. :smallconfused:

Only if they target the right square. If they can't see the invisible AMF, then they're very likely to shoot the wrong part.

[Yuki Akuma]

Only if they target the right square. If they can't see the invisible AMF, then they're very likely to shoot the wrong part.

He's a wizard. Of course he can see the AMF.

[herbe]

Dragon with AMF ? hmmmm
Look at here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137185)

[Myou]

Only if they target the right square. If they can't see the invisible AMF, then they're very likely to shoot the wrong part.

That's not how targeting works. You target the creature, not the square. Any 'effect' spell works automatically, and by RAW so do those requiring attack rolls. The only spells I can think of requiring you to target a square are area spells, and they will still hit since they target all square in the area.