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Arillius
2010-04-11, 02:40 PM
Are there any feats that allow one to use wisdom instead of strength as an attack modifier, the way weapon finesse does it for light weapons? 3.5 or pathfinder

Tinydwarfman
2010-04-11, 02:45 PM
Intuitive Attack from BoED does it for simple or natural weapons.

Half-Full
2010-04-11, 02:47 PM
With the errata, Oriental Adventures was updated to 3.5. There you have Shiba Protector (I think, ages ago I checked) which at first level, grants Wis bonus to both Attack Bonus and Damage. This is in addition to any other modifiers.

Still, it is in Oriental Adventures, which mean it might not be kosher. And in addition, it is a dip which grants really nice bonuses. That might not make the DM love you.

Arillius
2010-04-11, 02:48 PM
My characters a Neutral character who worships an evil god. My DM wouldn't let me use it.

Gralamin
2010-04-11, 02:48 PM
From X stat to Y bonus:

Class/Feat/Race Source Bonus
RACES/TEMPLATES
Illumian (Aeshhoon) Races of Destiny p54 3.5 Damage
Illumian (Uurhuun) Races of Destiny p54 3.5 Reflex
Saint Template BoED 9185 3.5 AC, +2 LA
CLASSES
Battlesmith 1 Races of Stone p96 3.5 Damage
Citadel Elite 5 Eberron: Sharn p165 3.5 Fort save (in addition to Con)
Cloud Anchorite Frostburn p52 3.5 Balance, Climb and Jump Skills
Dragon warrior 1/2 Dragon #298 p104 3.0 Hit Points/AC
Hunter of the Dead 3 Complete Warrior p43 Saves vs the spells and effects of undead
Impure Prince 4 Magic of Eberron p74 3.5 Fort (replaces Con)
Mantis Mercinary 5 OA p231 3.0 AC from dodge feat
Monk 1 PHB p39 3.5 AC (Doesn't stack with Ninja)
Ninja 1 Complete Adv. p5 3.5 AC (Doesn't stack with Monk)
Ordained Champion 5 Complete Champion p91 3.5 Attack/Damage, replaces Str, uses turn attempts
Perfected One Dragons #297 p56 EPIC PrC: Reflex saves (while unarmoured)
Sacred Fist 4 Complete Divine p59 3.5 Damage
Shiba Protector 1 OA p222 3.0 Hit/Damage
Shifter Drd 5 sub lvl Races of Eberron p127 Replaces Constitution to determine the duration of shifting
Shifter Rng 1 sub lvl Races of Eberron p128 Replaces Charisma for Wild Empathy
Soulbow 1 Complete Psionics p36 3.5 Damage (with Mind Arrows)
Sword Sage 2 Tome of Battle p16 3.5 Wis to AC in light armor
Sword Sage 4/12 Tome of Battle p16 3.5 Wis to strike damage with chosen discipline
FEATS
Dungeoneers Intuition Waterdeep book? p??? 3.5 Trapsense and Trapsense bonus to AC in surprise rounds
Intuative Strike BoED p44 3.5 Hit
Serenity DragMag306/DragComp p106 Divine grace, lay on hands, smite evil and turn undead
Yondalla's Sense Races o' Wild p152 3.5 Initiative
Zen Archery Complete Warrior p106 3.5 Hit
SPELLS/POWERS
EQUIPMENT
Monk's Belt DMG p248 3.5 AC (listed as "Belt, Monk's")
OTHER
Balance Domain PGtF p84 / Underdark p53 AC for 1 round per level
Watery Death Domain PGtF p92 3.5 Attack (smite, aquatic creatures only)

Arillius
2010-04-11, 02:54 PM
I'm not sure I understand any of that post. My apologies.

Apollo1776
2010-04-11, 02:54 PM
Intuitive Strike (BoED pg. 44) let's you do that.

EDIT

The above post is a list that allows you to switch out modifiers.

Arillius
2010-04-11, 02:57 PM
Already explained that I can't use that. Its prerequisites needs you to be good. For all intensive purposes I am the chosen one of the evil god trying to enslave the world.

EpicEvokerElf
2010-04-11, 02:57 PM
I'm not sure I understand any of that post. My apologies.

Check out the thread X Stat to Y Bonus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732). It's a compilation of ways to add some stat to something, essentially.

Gralamin
2010-04-11, 02:57 PM
I'm not sure I understand any of that post. My apologies.

I'll separate out the entires that interest you:

Illumian (Aeshhoon) Races of Destiny p54 3.5 - Damage
Battlesmith 1 Races of Stone p96 3.5 - Damage
Ordained Champion 5 Complete Champion p91 3.5 - Attack/Damage, replaces Str, uses turn attempts
Sacred Fist 4 Complete Divine p59 - 3.5 Damage
Shiba Protector 1 OA p222 3.0 - Hit/Damage
Soulbow 1 Complete Psionics p36 3.5 - Damage (with Mind Arrows)
Sword Sage 4/12 Tome of Battle p16 3.5 - Wis to strike damage with chosen discipline
Intuative Strike BoED p44 3.5 - Hit
Zen Archery Complete Warrior p106 3.5 - Hit
Watery Death Domain PGtF p92 3.5 - Attack (smite, aquatic creatures only)

Apollo1776
2010-04-11, 03:00 PM
Hmmm, well that sucks.

Any chance you're a ninja or have ki-power class ability?

Arillius
2010-04-11, 03:08 PM
With the errata, Oriental Adventures was updated to 3.5. There you have Shiba Protector (I think, ages ago I checked) which at first level, grants Wis bonus to both Attack Bonus and Damage. This is in addition to any other modifiers.

Still, it is in Oriental Adventures, which mean it might not be kosher. And in addition, it is a dip which grants really nice bonuses. That might not make the DM love you.

I'm trying to keep to cleric levels now. I have one level of fighter so I can use heavy armor, in pathfinder clerics can't, and to get all the martial weapon proficiencies.

I've found out about zen archery, I'm probably going to take it at level 6, but I was hoping to find something I could take at level 3 fore melee weapons.