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Anasazi
2010-04-26, 04:11 AM
Sometimes referring to oneself as a sorcerer/barbarian hybrid doesnt give off the vibe you really want. Sometimes you would rather just say Ragemage or something to that extent.
As a resource to those experimenting with the hybrid ruleset in the PHB3, I thought we'd build a list of all the class names we're using for our hybrids besides the obvious "class/class hybrid" title.

I'll go ahead and start us off,
Battlemind/Warlock: Dark Templar

Ubercaledor
2010-04-26, 05:00 AM
Ragemage! Love it.

Fighter/Cleric: Paladin... Oh wait.

XiaoTie
2010-04-26, 05:30 AM
Ragemage! Love it.

Fighter/Cleric: Paladin... Oh wait.

Battle Priest :P

Ranger/Rogue: I-deal-lots-of-Damage, Spy (tracking and infiltrating), Scout
Wizard/Cleric: Archivist :elan:

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 06:34 AM
Fighter/Warlock: Hexblade.

Theodoric
2010-04-26, 06:48 AM
Starlock/Paladin = Celestial Knight?

KillianHawkeye
2010-04-26, 06:57 AM
Starlock/Paladin = Celestial Knight?

I dunno, celestial usually means something different in D&D-land.

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 07:00 AM
Especially given that the stars in 4E are implied to be connected to the Far Realm in some way, in the Dragon Annual article on them.

So basically, you're making pacts with Cthulhu-esque Elder Evils.

At least, that's the most common interpretation.

A Star Sorcerer (Arcane Power), is slightly different- a Sorcerer/Paladin might fit the "Knight of the Stars" concept.

Anasazi
2010-04-26, 07:05 AM
(shifter)Druid/beast mastery ranger: Alpha _ (preferred shift/pet, ie Alpha Bear, Alpha Wolf, etc)

Also, I'm thinking Astral Knight.

Theodoric
2010-04-26, 07:55 AM
I dunno, celestial usually means something different in D&D-land.
Ah yes, just like Astral and stuff. Quite odd how all those Latin words refer to gods and the divine in D&D4, while Greek words refer to the Far Real and 'aberrations'. Too bad my ancient Greek is rather limited.

BobTheDog
2010-04-26, 07:59 AM
This might work as a prefix/suffix list. Like:

Cleric
Healing ---
--- Healer
--- Priest

Fighter
Combat ---
War/Battle ---
--- Fighter
--- Warrior

Blackfang108
2010-04-26, 08:14 AM
Bard/Barbarian: Bardarian

Swordmage/Barbarian: Blade Rager

Artifacer/Barbarian: Mad Tinker

[Other Arcane]/Barbarian: Rage Mage!

The Glyphstone
2010-04-26, 08:17 AM
Shaman/Druid: Hippie
Avenger/Paladin: Contradictory
Fighter/Swordmage: Redundant


At least, that's what I would call them.:smallbiggrin:

Leeham
2010-04-26, 08:31 AM
Damn it! Now I need to make a table for this, or I'll never sleep....

Mando Knight
2010-04-26, 10:24 AM
{table=head]Base Class|Prefix 1|Prefix 2|Suffix 1|Suffix 2
Barbarian|Rage|Raging|Rager|Berserker
Paladin|||Knight|*Suffix* Of JUSTICE
Cleric|Healing||Healer|Priest
Psionic|Mind|Psionic|Psycho
Arcane|Magic|Arcane|Mage|Caster
Divine|Holy|Divine
Martial|Martial||Swordsman|Warrior
Primal|Primal|Tree-Hugging
Fighter|War||Fighter|Blade
Sorcerer|Astral/Chaotic/Draconic/Storming|Witch|Sorcelator
Warlock|Pact-bound|Hex|alock[/table]

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 10:27 AM
Maybe "Magus" makes a good suffix for a wizard hybrid?

The Glyphstone
2010-04-26, 10:30 AM
Sorcerer|Warlock with Dual Implement Expertise. Dual-wield Wands. Call them "Hurt" and "Burn"?

MCerberus
2010-04-26, 10:53 AM
I kind of now want to just play a Barbarian and call him a Ragerager.

Leeham
2010-04-26, 10:59 AM
Some cleric-y ones.

Paladin/Cleric - Crusader
warlock/ cleric: Heretic
warlord/cleric : Holy marshal

and on a prefix/suffix note, marshal would be a good one for warlord I reckon.

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 11:23 AM
I would have gone with:

Paladin/Warlord: Crusader
Fighter/Warlord: Marshal or Warblade

But anything along those general lines will do.

Maybe carry on in this vein, pinching names from 3.5, or making up a few:

Paladin/Rogue: Inquisitor
Bard/Swordmage: Bladesinger
Assassin/Rogue: Shadowdancer
Wizard/Cleric: Theurge
Ranger/Seeker: Hunter

Maybe Skald might do for a Bard/Barbarian.

Draz74
2010-04-26, 11:40 AM
Maybe Skald might do for a Bard/Barbarian.

Or for a Bard|Druid.

Thajocoth
2010-04-26, 11:40 AM
There are 24 Hybrid half-classes. That's (24*23)/2 = 276 possible combinations. If you actually manage to come up with 276 unique class names, I will be amazed.

Also, Ardentificer.

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 11:42 AM
Main reason I thought of it the other way was that Skalds were the Norse equivalent of bards- but the Norse didn't have much in the way of druids- though they did have the barbarian/esque berserkers.

Hence Bard/Barbarian.

That said, Bard/Druid could work as well.

Assassin/Ranger- Darkstalker?

ShaggyMarco
2010-04-26, 12:26 PM
I would put forth Berzerker for Druid/Barbarian, as it literally means "Bear-Shirt Wearer." If being able to actually change into a Bear doesn't mean you are wearing a "bear shirt," I don't know what does.

I second Skald for Bard/Barbarian

The Glyphstone
2010-04-26, 12:28 PM
I would put forth Berzerker for Druid/Barbarian, as it literally means "Bear-Shirt Wearer." If being able to actually change into a Bear doesn't mean you are wearing a "bear shirt," I don't know what does.

I second Skald for Bard/Barbarian

C'mon, at least make the obvious pun and call it a Bearzerker.:smallbiggrin:

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 12:30 PM
In Forgotten Realms, some berzerkers (like Fyodor in the Starlight and Shadows trilogy) develop the ability to shapechange into creatures like giant ravens, or bears.

So, Berzerker seems about right.

Leeham
2010-04-26, 12:48 PM
They did near enough that in 3.5 surely Thajocoth? And with the prefix/suffix thing, it can't be too hard... right?

Aron Times
2010-04-26, 01:08 PM
Just a nitpick... Wizards and CharOp uses pipe "|" instead of slash "/" to distinguish between multiclass and hybrid characters. Thus, a fighter/wizard is a fighter who took Arcane Initiate, while a fighter|wizard is a hybrid fighter and wizard.

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 01:13 PM
Yes- but most of us have already put them up.

Maybe stress that (for this thread only) the / is being used to represent hybrids- and that multiclass characters will not be discussed at all, to avoid confusion.

Hal
2010-04-26, 01:39 PM
Assassin|Paladin --> Blackguard

Can you hybrid with the Assassin? I haven't looked nor tried.

hamishspence
2010-04-26, 01:46 PM
I think they put up the hybrid in a recent Dragon issue.

Yakk
2010-04-26, 05:24 PM
If we restrict ourselves to class combinations that provide at least a somewhat viable character, it would be ideal. Because thinking up names for characters that nobody builds will end up generating lots of noise that will drown out useful "pseudo-class" names.

I have built all of these characters at level 1, and can guarantee they are viable:

Monk|Rogue or Monk|Assassin: Ninja
Monk|Ranger(Melee): Dervish
Monk|Fighter or Monk|Warden: Samurai
Monk|Seeker or Monk|Ranger(Bow): Zen Archer

I cannot get Monk|Barbarian to work very well. Otherwise, it would also be a Dervish.

Thajocoth
2010-04-26, 05:37 PM
I would put forth Berzerker for Druid/Barbarian, as it literally means "Bear-Shirt Wearer." If being able to actually change into a Bear doesn't mean you are wearing a "bear shirt," I don't know what does.

I second Skald for Bard/Barbarian

Actually... Berzerker's original meaning contains bare, not bear. They'd run into battle naked, which would slow the reaction time of their enemies, who'd think "Are... Are they naked? Holy crap they stabbed me! The naked people have weapons!"

BobTheDog
2010-04-26, 06:35 PM
Strapped for time now, but I'll take the dare and put up a massive table with all possible combinations and as many possibilities as I can come up with (or gather from this thread). :smalltongue:

Hal
2010-04-26, 06:37 PM
I cannot get Monk|Barbarian to work very well. Otherwise, it would also be a Dervish.

Brawler? Wasn't there a PrC from Complete Warrior (3.5) that was a grappling focused progression for a fighter?

Excession
2010-04-26, 07:55 PM
Wizard|Cleric: Hierophant.
Wizard|Invoker: Mystic Theurge.

Maybe those should be round the other way, or they're interchangeable.

The Glyphstone
2010-04-26, 07:56 PM
Brawler? Wasn't there a PrC from Complete Warrior (3.5) that was a grappling focused progression for a fighter?

Reaping Mauler. It was horrible.

BobTheDog
2010-04-26, 08:56 PM
Okay, first draft at the BIG table of hybrid match-ups. I have put up some ideas, ranging from serious to silly. Tomorrow I'll hopefully be less sleepy and get some more ideas in. And take some time to browse the thread for ideas (I did get a few).

Rows are ordered alphabetically by Power Source, then class name. Columns are inverted to get a nice triangle. I've removed the last row (assassin) and column (artificer) since they were redundant.


{table]|Assassin|Psion|Monk|Battlemind|Ardent|Warden|Sham an|Seeker|Druid|Barbarian|Warlord|Rogue|Ranger|Fig hter|Runepriest|Paladin|Invoker|Cleric|Avenger|Wiz ard|Warlock|Swordmage|Sorcerer|Bard
Artificer|Deathforger|Mindcrafter|
Bard|Spy|Persuader|
Sorcerer|Shadow channeler
Swordmage|Shadow blade|Jedi
Warlock|Devourer (of souls)|Brain eater|Pact disciple|
Wizard|Black Mage|Brainiac
Avenger|
Cleric|Darkpriest|Mind healer|Cloistered priest|Battlemind|Ardent|Warden|Herbalist|Seeker|W ild priest|Savage healer|Church marshall|
Invoker|Dark godling
Paladin|Blackguard|Thinkpol|Monk|Battlemind|Ardent |Holy protector|Blessed spirit|Seeker|Druid|Fury knight|Crusader|
Runepriest|Runekiller
Fighter|Executioner
Ranger|Bounty hunter|Psion|Monk|Battlemind|Ardent|Warden|Shaman| Hunter|
Rogue|Cutthroat
Warlord|
Barbarian|Slayer
Druid|Predator
Seeker|Nightstalker
Shaman|Shadow Spirit
Warden|Hidden protector|Mindshield|Ascetic guardian||
Ardent|
Battlemind|Dark Ego|
Monk|Ninja|Mind over body
Psion|Mindkiller[/table]

Ubercaledor
2010-04-26, 09:05 PM
Warlock|Sorceror: Witch
Sorceror|Wizard: Sage

Asbestos
2010-04-26, 09:09 PM
Fighter/Warlock: Hexblade.
Swordmage/Warlock could be called the same.

Anasazi
2010-04-26, 11:59 PM
I would agree with assigning names only to useful hybrids but its likely that theres atleast one useful way to use every build, it just comes down to play style.
I for one would not rule out odd combos as they seem to be amusing. for example, my swordmage/rogue uses the aegis of ensnarement to give an easy sneak attack to each one of his hits, and stealths on move, so his target will go after another ally, allowing the use of that ability. Considering I really only use the armor bonus and the aegis from the swordmage, he really doesnt have any need for int.

speaking of which, for that specific build:
swordmage/rogue: Mystic Blade

DSCrankshaw
2010-04-27, 12:12 AM
For a while, the paladin/warlock combination was called a witch knight. That was before hybrids, though.

There was also a infernal warlock, fighter combination called a hexhammer.

hamishspence
2010-04-27, 02:36 AM
Swordmage/Warlock could be called the same.

True. And the spells of the swordmage might fit the concept well.

Main reason for choosing fighter, was that 3.5 hexblades weren't restricted to swords.

If that isn't an issue, swordmage might actually fit better.

Excession
2010-04-27, 04:07 AM
If Swordmage|Psion is Jedi, Swordmage|Warlock must be Sith.

Kaun
2010-04-27, 05:20 AM
Lazarcleric/Evoker = SMITE MASTER 9000

Tengu_temp
2010-04-27, 05:34 AM
Warlock|Sorceror: Witch

Witchalock!

Bard|Warlock: Death Metal Band Member

Eorran
2010-04-27, 09:32 AM
Rogue|Fighter - Swashbuckler

tbarrie
2010-04-27, 10:34 AM
Actually... Berzerker's original meaning contains bare, not bear.

This theory may not be completely dead, but a quick investigation shows that the "bear shirt" theory has more support from experts.

And there's no "z" in "berserk", people.

DragonBaneDM
2010-04-27, 10:46 AM
Now let's throw multiclassing in here for even MORE fun!!!