crazy mass murderer 3.5

[the humanity]

what do you think would be the best loony stab a brother in an alley, toe eating, police escaping, chaotic evil insane murderer you can imagine? build wise I mean, otherwise my picture is going to get posted inevitably >_>

Avenging Executioner, Assassin from rogue all seem like viable options...

[sambo.]

Paladin Of Slaughter.

[arguskos]

Currently, I'm playing a fairly suave sort of Chaotic Evil dude. He's a Warlock 1/Binder 2 who is entering Anima Mage next level (DM worked with my about the entry prereqs). Binder actually works really well for the crazy dude on the street shouting and stabbing folks, given the flavor. It's easy to see a CE Binder being all lolcrazy and stabbing people randomly.

[druid91]

Ashworm dragooon? for the awesome ability to ride a giant sand worm.

[the humanity]

Ashworm dragooon? for the awesome ability to ride a giant sand worm.

the other 2 I can see.

I don't see much relevance here, though sand worm riding is pretty awesome.

[arguskos]

the other 2 I can see.

I don't see much relevance here, though sand worm riding is pretty awesome.
Dude, use your sandworm to EAT PEOPLE AT RANDOM! :smallbiggrin:

That is awesome, I totally approve.

[druid91]

Depends on your setting, I think some guy who comes out of the ground uses his mounted combat feats to plaster some random guy all over a wall and then dives underground never to be heard from until his next strike is a crazy mass murderer.

Dude, use your sandworm to EAT PEOPLE AT RANDOM! :smallbiggrin:

That is awesome, I totally approve.
Didn't even think of that, but ash-worms are kinda small, though I guess spearing them with a poison sting while underground before eating them works right?

[Ravens_cry]

Wizard or sorcerer. So many varied options for all neuroses.

[arguskos]

Didn't even think of that, but ash-worms are kinda small, though I guess spearing them with a poison sting while underground before eating them works right?
Ashworms are Large-sized, since humans ride them. That means they're probably what, 10-12 ft long, 3-4 ft wide. They have a large maw. They can eat small children in a single go I'd bet. This sounds like a mass murdering psycho in the making to me! :smallbiggrin:

Besides, if they can't eat adults in one go, they you just burst up, hack them up, and THEN have the ashworm eat some of them before repeating the process on someone else a few minutes later. Think of it as an opportunity to be an evil bastard.

[the humanity]

hmm. given the area has max ground thickness 100 feet, it is pretty crazy.

I'll have to stat the brother up for future reference. sand worm assassin is starting to sound like the coolest thing ever.

[arguskos]

hmm. given the area has max ground thickness 100 feet, it is pretty crazy.

I'll have to stat the brother up for future reference. sand worm assassin is starting to sound like the coolest thing ever.
Dude, I can make nearly anything crazy and evil-sounding. :smallamused:

With an Ashworm Dragoon, it's basically done for ya. You ride a giant worm that eats and stings people. This just SCREAMS psycho murdering bastard.

[Pluto]

Beguiler.

Twist others.

(they're after you)
Contort the shapes of late-night passersby into predators and monsters.

(use your dagger. slit their throats)
Make other people do the work.

(if you don't get them, they will get you)
It's just more satisfying that way.

[Paragon Badger]

You don't need much of a build to create a compelling antagonist.

Look at The Joker from The Dark Knight. Physically he was weaker than Batman, had signifigantly less technological advantages, and likely wasn't smarter than Bruce Wayne... just more unorthodox.

His advantages had been...

A. Understanding his opponent when they didn't understand him
B. Able to coerce weaker-minded people against the good guys
C. Acting unpredictably and foiling the plans set against him

This could be done with a relatively intelligent character who is simply capable of scaring the crap out of your usual NPC ordinaries, turning them into minions in his favor.

Heck, a fighter could do this if you worked at it a little, and depending on the PCs' levels. How much of a circumstance modifier does a sharp weapon and a menacing smile give you when trying to intimidate joe schmo peasant? A large amount of skillpoints isn't neccesary when you can bend people to your will. :smallamused:

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

You don't need much of a build to create a compelling antagonist.

Look at The Joker from The Dark Knight. Physically he was weaker than Batman, had signifigantly less technological advantages, and likely wasn't smarter than Bruce Wayne... just more unorthodox.

His advantages had been...

A. Understanding his opponent when they didn't understand him
B. Able to coerce weaker-minded people against the good guys
C. Acting unpredictably and foiling the plans set against him

This could be done with a relatively intelligent character who is simply capable of scaring the crap out of your usual NPC ordinaries, turning them into minions in his favor.

Heck, a fighter could do this if you worked at it a little, and depending on the PCs' levels. How much of a circumstance modifier does a sharp weapon and a menacing smile give you when trying to intimidate joe schmo peasant? A large amount of skillpoints isn't neccesary when you can bend people to your will. :smallamused:So you're saying play a Joker bard.

[The Rabbler]

well, flaming homer would be a pretty fun psychopathic killer. give him a ring of invisibility and you'll never see him again.

[Doc Roc]

Wizard is the natural choice for crazy mass murderer. Arcane rituals, casual disregard for human life, the power to make it stick, access to most effects that prevent resurrection...

Wizard 3/Master Specialist(Conjuration) 10 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101393/quotes?qt0396327)

[Thurbane]

I'd recommend the Willing Deformity (Madness) feat...great feat for an evil, crazy character.

[Doc Roc]

Alternatively, it's hard to get crazier than a subverted psion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20051125a) with levels in body leech (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040925a). Motive and mechanism, all in one. All OGL content, too!

Throw in a ring-gate, and you have instant bad-times.
Don't forget to take Landlord.

[nedz]

Ranger Sureley :belkar::belkar::belkar:

[Doc Roc]

Ranger Sureley :belkar::belkar::belkar:

What build?

[veovius]

Think how much fun a warlock could be! Even without being optimized, you have eldritch blast with shapes (cone blast in a market? yeesh), Beguiling Influence to diplo/bluff past suspicious coppers, Flee the Scene when you want to "die".

[the humanity]

I'm thinking a mostly martial type, like the dragoon thing.

all my campaign worthy NPC's so far are wizards and druids and other magic people. the only one who can't cast a spell is a warlock/mindbender/cancer mage you guys may have met before.

a ranger would be ok I suppose. and what is a flaming homer? I googled it and all I got was the simpsons and a recipe.

[druid91]

I'm thinking a mostly martial type, like the dragoon thing.

all my campaign worthy NPC's so far are wizards and druids and other magic people. the only one who can't cast a spell is a warlock/mindbender/cancer mage you guys may have met before.

a ranger would be ok I suppose. and what is a flaming homer? I googled it and all I got was the simpsons and a recipe.

Hey I made a suggestion that someone liked!:smallbiggrin:

[FishAreWet]

Avenging Executioner + Scarlet Corsair from Stormwrack is a straight terrifying build.

[Telonius]

what do you think would be the best loony stab a brother in an alley, toe eating, police escaping, chaotic evil insane murderer you can imagine? build wise I mean, otherwise my picture is going to get posted inevitably >_>

Avenging Executioner, Assassin from rogue all seem like viable options...

Halfling Ranger X. Animal companion: Cat.

[druid91]

Belkar is no cannibal.

[Telonius]

Belkar is no cannibal.

He didn't specify halfling toes (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0358.html).

[Ganurath]

Desert Half-Orc Hexblade 3 / Paladin of Slaughter 2 / Avenging Executioner 5 / Ghost-Faced Killer 10

Be sure to get thrown in the Otyugh Hole for a +4 to Intimidate. Make the character falsy accused (this time) to meet the requirements for Avenging Executioner.

[jiriku]

what do you think would be the best loony stab a brother in an alley, toe eating, police escaping, chaotic evil insane murderer you can imagine? build wise I mean, otherwise my picture is going to get posted inevitably >_>

Avenging Executioner, Assassin from rogue all seem like viable options...

My first thought on reading the title, and again on reading the OP, was that depending on the day of the week, this label could apply to any adventurer of almost any class.

[Doc Roc]

So, you need to be really careful if you're going melee, or you'll have to explain why he wasn't found with just a couple of quick divination spells, or a wish.

[goken04]

Vampire Halfling Swordsage. A new minor villain I'm working on.

[Xallace]

Fortune's Friend? Every murder is a Rube Goldberg machine of madness!

[druid91]

Fortune's Friend? Every murder is a Rube Goldberg machine of madness!

In that vein make it a luck-stealer.

[gdiddy]

Level 20 Expert with UMD and a respectable, flourishing business. :smallsmile: What?

[Graymayre]

Druid

He's a villain that makes nature itself hate you, and whose only goal is to completely and utterly annihilate civilization.

There's also an alternative druid (not sure about the splatbook) that sucks nature away and makes undead.

[Lycanthromancer]

Totemist 20. Those random mish-mashed footprints are going to confuse the hell out of the authorities.

Just make sure magic can't be legally used to track down criminals in the city he's operating from, or grant him some form of protection from divination (like maybe a homespun template as the favored minion of a god of murder of some sort).

[goken04]

Druid

He's a villain that makes nature itself hate you, and whose only goal is to completely and utterly annihilate civilization.

There's also an alternative druid (not sure about the splatbook) that sucks nature away and makes undead.

Blighter from Complete Divine

[Lycanthromancer]

Blighter from Complete DivineYes, anyone who took levels in blighter would have to be crazy.

[Thurbane]

what do you think would be the best loony stab a brother in an alley, toe eating, police escaping, chaotic evil insane murderer you can imagine? build wise I mean, otherwise my picture is going to get posted inevitably >_>

Avenging Executioner, Assassin from rogue all seem like viable options...
If you post a level range, and some additional info on character concept (i.e. melee, caster etc.) I'd be happy to take a stab (pun intended) at a build.

...also, what are your preferred levels of flavour and crunch? i.e. Do you want the build to focus more on the thematics of being a psychopath, more on it's playability/power level, or a mix of both?

[deuxhero]

Locate city bomb, but replace the explosive spell stuff that may not work with fell drain.

[the humanity]

I want a viable, flavorful version at 12-15 level that can pull all the way to 20th.

as for justification for this guy surviving- he's got the backing of a fallen solar lich. this lovely character will give him something that not only helps him kill people, but keeps him hidden, so she can drive him to kill the people she wants killed, without his death resulting. this guy is also supposed to be an unusually powerful npc (no expert/paladin/barbarian type builds) who one on one will outclass the unoptimized pcs. that said, though he should be a little optimized, he shouldn't be built for power. flavor>power.

scarlet corsair might be a really cool idea.

[Doc Roc]

What's the optimization level of your player base?

[the humanity]

mainly core using, single classers, with some multiclassing, but mainly just one class straight to 20. they are very picky with feats however. they often get the best available feats. they like playing simple characters, like fighters, rogues, or sorcerers, and where they lack in optimization, they make up for with strategy. at 8th level, took out a rage drake in one round. that includes movement.

I don't have any specific build, but I can post one of the better fighters in the group.

[druid91]

I was looking at another thread and an idea came. How about a guy who gives money to random street people, He can tell if someone has one of these coins, then he shoots a bullet that is really shrunken down to normal size, the coins produce an antimagic field effect so that the bullets grow enoumas and then explode through walls and such, maybe even see if you can get one of these coins into the hands of the players.

[Doc Roc]

I was looking at another thread and an idea came. How about a guy who gives money to random street people, He can tell if someone has one of these coins, then he shoots a bullet that is really shrunken down to normal size, the coins produce an antimagic field effect so that the bullets grow enoumas and then explode through walls and such, maybe even see if you can get one of these coins into the hands of the players.

And if he doesn't have line of sight?

[druid91]

He sets a coin down in their general direction, backs up, loads his gun, and fires.:smallcool:

How is that for an entrance, a huge lead bullet bursting through a brick wall maiming a few people and then is followed by the now reloaded psycho who with a flourish takes aim at the duped PC's and fires another bullet which hits the antimagic field and grows.

[Doc Roc]

Can I see one of the fighters, please? And the party's core caster?

[the humanity]

the basic setup, not exact, but:

warfey (homebrew) two weapon fighter. most optimized, hardest to kill.
human battle sorcerer. mailman style.
githyanki power attacker fighter. trains dogs. second most optimized.
elf rogue. least optimized.
tiefling ninja. if it wasn't for the githyanki abilities, this one would be tougher than the gith.

I'll get you the warfey. not tonight though.

can't get you the caster, didn't put her build together at my house.

not feeling the coin thing, one they don't have guns, 2, that just doesn't feel right.