Warcraft Heroes - D&D Style

[pilvento]

ok, new thread. im not a fan of the night elves in warcraft, but they are the most exotic characters. a progresion for the orc or human heroes whould be too easy so, what about tyrande wisperwind, you know, the mounted archer/priest...

[Optimystik]

How about you rename the thread so we can stat them all out in here?

Maybe "Warcraft Heroes - D&D Style."

Anyhow, Tyrande may be a priest, but the bow and animal companion have me thinking ranger. She has an Owl too. Maybe Arcane Hierophant? I'd say Consecrated Harrier, but Starfall is a 9th-level spell or I'll eat my boots.

[ErrantX]

Prestige Ranger perhaps for Tyrande?

-X

[The Glyphstone]

Full Cleric, with Zen Archery, Wild Cohort, and Spell Thematics (Stars) = Starfall is Storm of Vengeance. That was easy. Next?

[pilvento]

How about you rename the thread so we can stat them all out in here?

Maybe "Warcraft Heroes - D&D Style."



ok...
how can i rename the thread ?

[Swooper]

ok...
how can i rename the thread ?
Edit the top post.

[AtwasAwamps]

Full Cleric, with Zen Archery, Wild Cohort, and Spell Thematics (Stars) = Starfall is Storm of Vengeance. That was easy. Next?

That's rather elegant. Cloistered?

[The Glyphstone]

That's rather elegant. Cloistered?

Nah, she's a warrior-priest for certain. She just chooses to not wear heavy armor, to make it easier for her to ride the tiger.

[Frosty]

Well, there's a difference between not wearing heavy armor and wearing this:
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/09/10/wowa008OYI2I60wxg.jpg

[Optimystik]

Nah, she's a warrior-priest for certain. She just chooses to not wear heavy armor, to make it easier for her to ride the tiger.

The tiger is the problem. It's almost certainly an animal companion, and even if it isn't, the Owl is. How do you account for them?

EDIT: I missed Wild Cohort for the tiger, but what about the owl?

[Draken]

The owl has timed life, so it is clearly a summon. Both Summon Nature Ally I and Summon Monster I can summon owls (celestial in the case of summon monster) so she could be either a druid or a cleric in the end.

As for that skimpy armor? Easy. Use the defense variant in UA. It is exclusive with armor, so that... Leather Armor I guess, is just for modesty.

[Cogidubnus]

Well, there's a difference between not wearing heavy armor and wearing this:
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/09/10/wowa008OYI2I60wxg.jpg

Ah, but remember, WoW know their target audience. (No offense to anyone, but SHEESH XD)

[Kaiyanwang]

Two questions, seeing the image:

1) Is somewhere statted a three bladed boomerang? Maybe Eberron?

2) Bananas? WHY bananas?

[Frosty]

The units that wield those 4-bladed boomerang things I'd stat out as Warblade/Bloodstorm Blades. The weapon itself is probably Exotic.

[~LuckyBoneDice~]

Two questions, seeing the image:

1) Is somewhere statted a three bladed boomerang? Maybe Eberron?

2) Bananas? WHY bananas?

1. I think there is a boomerang like that in SoX

2. Trip trap?

[Draz74]

A Monk's Belt and uber-high wisdom could explain the lack of armor.

So could just uber-high Dexterity, for that matter.

[IcarusWings]

The units that wield those 4-bladed boomerang things I'd stat out as Warblade/Bloodstorm Blades. The weapon itself is probably Exotic.

They're called moonglaives

[Optimystik]

I'm convinced. Cleric with Wild Cohort could indeed pull of Tyrande. Maybe give her the Moon and Elf domains, or Moon and Animal.

Next up - Thrall :smallsmile: Spirit Shaman? Druid? Shugenja?

EDIT:


A Monk's Belt and uber-high wisdom could explain the lack of armor.

She might just be wearing a full-plate bikini (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini?from=Main.BreastPlate) :smalltongue:

[pilvento]

yes, how could trall be...

i cant be a druid cause orcs simply cant be druids and besides, he has that big fullplate...

i think it can be like tirande for the animal companion, with lvls in ordained champion for the violent touch.

[lsfreak]

Next up - Thrall :smallsmile: Spirit Shaman? Druid? Shugenja?

Tactician, charismatic, and the second-best fighter to be in Horde, after Doomhammer and maybe his father. There's the usual problem of converting Vancian into a system that's very much not, but I'd say something along the lines of sorcadin with minor spell list/significant fluff changes.

[Optimystik]

Tactician, charismatic, and the second-best fighter to be in Horde, after Doomhammer and maybe his father. There's the usual problem of converting Vancian into a system that's very much not, but I'd say something along the lines of sorcadin with minor spell list/significant fluff changes.

In cases where Vancian presents problems, we can get around that by assuming the Spell Point variant. But I think the concern is more around what he is capable of, than how often he can do it.

I definitely don't see him as a Paladin. While he seems to be LG and martial, that's really where the similarity ends. Paladins aren't primal enough (to borrow a 4e term) to model Thrall, imo.

Here are his abilities that I know of:

- Proficiency with Doomhammer
- Frostwolf companion
- Can communicate with spirits
- Lightning/Weather control
- Earth control
- Far sight

What class combination can do all or most of that?

[icastflare!]

In cases where Vancian presents problems, we can get around that by assuming the Spell Point variant. But I think the concern is more around what he is capable of, than how often he can do it.

I definitely don't see him as a Paladin. While he seems to be LG and martial, that's really where the similarity ends. Paladins aren't primal enough (to borrow a 4e term) to model Thrall, imo.

Here are his abilities that I know of:

- Proficiency with Doomhammer
- Frostwolf companion
- Can communicate with spirits
- Lightning/Weather control
- Earth control
- Far sight

What class combination can do all or most of that?


I am seeing something that are out of reach. maybe a wizard/shaman/barbarian? probably not as getting the stats right wouldnt be viable with his how well his abilities work.

Barbarian/paladin? could get him the mount and weapon, but misses nearly everything else.

[Draz74]

Is it just me, or is straight Cleric the best answer yet again?

[Optimystik]

I am seeing something that are out of reach. maybe a wizard/shaman/barbarian? probably not as getting the stats right wouldnt be viable with his how well his abilities work.

I wouldn't worry about stats; He's a legendary hero, so we can assume he has a pretty high point buy/rolled really well.

The mount can be gotten via Wild Cohort as we did with Tyrande. The spirit fluff and a lot of the spells (Earthquake, Spirit Communication and Lightning) can all come from Spirit Shaman. Barbarian is probably where he gets MWP from.

So maybe a Spirit Shaman/Barbarian with Wild Cohort? Is there a PrC that merges the two?

[pffh]

Well, there's a difference between not wearing heavy armor and wearing this:
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/09/10/wowa008OYI2I60wxg.jpg

Yup that's a female heavy armour all right.

[Greenish]

In cases where Vancian presents problems, we can get around that by assuming the Spell Point variant. But I think the concern is more around what he is capable of, than how often he can do it.

I definitely don't see him as a Paladin. While he seems to be LG and martial, that's really where the similarity ends. Paladins aren't primal enough (to borrow a 4e term) to model Thrall, imo.

Here are his abilities that I know of:

- Proficiency with Doomhammer
- Frostwolf companion
- Can communicate with spirits
- Lightning/Weather control
- Earth control
- Far sight

What class combination can do all or most of that?Cleric with storm/nature/something domain? He should be more castery than martial IMO.

I also think the mount is not a class feature, but just a… mount.

[Optimystik]

Is it just me, or is straight Cleric the best answer yet again?

I'm definitely leaning more toward Spirit Shaman. For one thing, Clerics don't get Stone Tell, and that's almost certainly one of Thrall's abilities.

But just to add some martial classes to the mix, how about Grom Hellscream as the next hero? (Both a ToB and a no-ToB version.)

[lsfreak]

Nothing says paladin's can't be primal though. Also, the wolf companion was less something he did, and more 'the wolf happened to hang around him.' It was the wolf's choice. Finally, I'd say 'talking with spirits,' in most cases, comes down to 'casting a spell.' Petitioning the spirits for certain effects is basically just spellcasting, and the existence of the spirits is mostly just a fluff thing.

Other things to add:
- Best gladiator in Lordaeron, proficiency with essentially all weapons
- Self-haste/bloodlust/whatever (though probably racial ability)
- Command over plants and animals
- Fire spells
- Full plate + casting

EDIT: I'm slow. I'll keep thinking about it.

[pffh]

I'm curious how you would make arthas both pre fall and post. Hell even both in one build first 10 levels pre fall next 10 post.

[Greenish]

But just to add some martial classes to the mix, how about Grom Hellscream as the next hero? (Both a ToB and a no-ToB version.)Non-ToB: barbarian. ToB: warblade/barbarian with Martial Study for that Shadow Hand maneuver that turns you invisible.

Just maybe barbarian/sorcerer for Mirror Image and Invisibility?

[lsfreak]

Non-ToB: barbarian. ToB: warblade/barbarian with Martial Study for that Shadow Hand maneuver that turns you invisible.

Just maybe barbarian/sorcerer for Mirror Image and Invisibility?

I think we might run into a few problems here: are we including all Warcraft sources or not? I'd argue Hellscream turning invisible and mirror image are specific to that game, since the lore itself makes no mention of that at all. He can't use magic of any kind, he's just a good fighter with a reputation of being ****ing terrifying.

[Voldecanter]

Well I am sure that the World of Warcraft 3.5 d20 books covered this , I forget which supplement covered the hereos , but I remember a 'Legendary Heroes Section' in one of the books.

[Greenish]

I think we might run into a few problems here: are we including all Warcraft sources or not? I'd argue Hellscream turning invisible and mirror image are specific to that game, since the lore itself makes no mention of that at all. He can't use magic of any kind, he's just a good fighter with a reputation of being ****ing terrifying.Dropping the original source seems a bit silly to me. Maybe just because I'm only familiar with the games, not with the books/comics.

Anyway, barbarian with optimized Intimidate isn't bad approximation.

[lsfreak]

Dropping the original source seems a bit silly to me.
Original source is WC2, where he's got no magic :p


Well I am sure that the World of Warcraft 3.5 d20 books covered this , I forget which supplement covered the hereos , but I remember a 'Legendary Heroes Section' in one of the books.

They did, finally found them after half an hour of on-and-off searching (only have scans here at the dorms, takes a *lot* longer).

Light and Shadows is the book. Hellscream is Fighter12 plus 10 levels in a non-magic prestige class, but does get his WC3 abilities as spell-like abilities (I didn't remember that). Thrall as mostly Warcraft-specific divine gishes, so that doesn't help us. Same with Maeiv.

(And BTW, it's my opinion that the Warcraft RPG is still pretty good for this kind of stuff, if you're willing to fill in a few editing gaps and include non-PHB 3.5 sources. The WoW RPG, not so much, as it's less 3.5 and more WoW-on-paper d20).

[Frosty]

How about a Shugenja for Thrall?

And to whomever said that she's using the AC variant...even if she is, she's certainly NOT concerned about modesty.

[Optimystik]

I think we might run into a few problems here: are we including all Warcraft sources or not? I'd argue Hellscream turning invisible and mirror image are specific to that game, since the lore itself makes no mention of that at all. He can't use magic of any kind, he's just a good fighter with a reputation of being ****ing terrifying.

The invisibility and imagery stuff can easily be fluffed as being very skilled at non-magical deception, stealth, and battlefield control. It doesn't have to be Supernatural.


And to whomever said that she's using the AC variant...even if she is, she's certainly NOT concerned about modesty.

"Modesty?" Have you seen the Vixens thread?

[pilvento]

what about illidan stormrage.

a rougelike demon slayer with lots of evasion and super cool spell like abilities like inmolation.

he also wields not one, but two double edge swords.

[Runestar]

I think thrall could be a diviner/barb/loremaster. Wolf mount might be a cohort from leadership. He also reminds me this this wotc npc here.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cc/20020518a

As for arthas, cleric/marshal/prestige paladin. Ultimate is likely some sort of chained raised dead, maybe followed by mass heal. Any idea how to throw ranged healing?

I know they statted Kael as a wiz15/fighter14. Can be easily revised to include eldritch knight and maybe even abjurant champion.

As for Jaina, I am tempted to make her a psion instead of a wizard or sorc, since astral construct seems to replicate her elementals' abilities better than any summon can.

[TheThan]

Lets see quick and dirty here.

Grom Hellscream is a barbarian/frenzied berserker

Thrall is a shaman in the games, so that means he’s something like a cleric with the storm domain and some sort of nature domain, probably animal, though strength works too. probably has a legacy weapon too.

Jaina Proudmoor is a straight wizard

Arthas is a paladin pure and simple.

Unther the lightbringer is a straight paladin, probably with some PRCs thrown in.

Arthas as the lich king is a fallen paladin, with some sort of custom PRC most likely. Since he’s one of the main villians it makes sense the Dm would mess with the players.

Lady Vasha is a shinomen naga with the aquatic template. Sorcerer/fighter/arcane archer.


Not sure on the elves, they're... well elves and I’ve never really paid much attention to them.

[The Glyphstone]

Tyrande: Cleric with a Wild Cohort.

Malfurion Stormrage: Druid, possibly with an ACF that trades away Wildshape. Has the Chain Spell feat that he applies to Liveoak.

Illidan: Fighter/Dervish or Warblade/Dervish. Half-Fiend template.

Kael'Thas: Sorcerer.

Maiev: See other thread.

[Frosty]

Jaina specialized in Conjuration, and traded out her Familiar for something *other* than Abrupt Jaunt for some reason. Went straight into Master Specialist at level 4, and then after that probably went into Archmage. She summons elementals. She (mass) teleports. What part of this doesn't scream Conjurer?

[Draz74]

What part of this doesn't scream Conjurer?

The lack of Abrupt Jaunt. :smalltongue: :smallwink:

[Optimystik]

I think thrall could be a diviner/barb/loremaster. Wolf mount might be a cohort from leadership. He also reminds me this this wotc npc here.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cc/20020518a

My favorite part of that story is how he became a canon Schrodinger's Wizard.

"The same divination spells that he'd used to catapult the chieftain to power also alerted him to the chieftain's treachery. When the chieftain struck, Gorin was ready." So much for "real wizards don't check if they're going to get jumped!"

But I digress.


As for arthas, cleric/marshal/prestige paladin. Ultimate is likely some sort of chained raised dead, maybe followed by mass heal. Any idea how to throw ranged healing?

Reach Spell would handle the healing easily.

There needs to be three versions of Arthas, I think. Yours works well for pre-fall, then we need Death Knight (complete with bony steed, though Animate Dead can handle that easily enough) and Lich King (that one might actually be easier than the rest - he's definitely Epic to be able to control 80% of the world's undead, no question.)


I know they statted Kael as a wiz15/fighter14. Can be easily revised to include eldritch knight and maybe even abjurant champion.

Yes, I'm definitely trying to incorporate PrCs wherever possible, especially if they fit the class concept. Most of the heroes are probably epic but I'm trying to see if their abilities can be made to fit into a 1-20 build. Epic removes much of the challenge since you can just create an epic spell to model anything they can do and fiat some mitigation.

[Runestar]

Jaina specialized in Conjuration, and traded out her Familiar for something *other* than Abrupt Jaunt for some reason. Went straight into Master Specialist at level 4, and then after that probably went into Archmage. She summons elementals. She (mass) teleports. What part of this doesn't scream Conjurer?

Except for the part where summoned elementals lack a ranged attack. Astral constructs can at least fire an energy ray (and you can easily shape them to look like elementals).

[Jayabalard]

Well, there's a difference between not wearing heavy armor and wearing this:
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/09/10/wowa008OYI2I60wxg.jpgThat's heavy armor... it's obviously plate armor in fact.

[Frosty]

I thought it was leather?

[Optimystik]

I thought it was leather?

I think the point behind this very drawn-out gag is that you can't tell what kind of armor a female character is wearing just by how skimpy it is, nor what kind of AC bonus it provides.

Now can we please move on from Tyrande's boobage?

[pilvento]

Well, there's a difference between not wearing heavy armor and wearing this:
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/09/10/wowa008OYI2I60wxg.jpg

i curse you. 3/4 of this thread talks about the "picture" instead of i dont know..., warcraft heroes in dnd 3.5 paper and pencil maibe?

[GolemsVoice]

I actually like the WoW RPG very much, and while it is true that it is sometimes too much WoW, it does a very good job of emulating the world!

[DragonOfLies]

for Kael'Thas i think wizard/warlock/eldrich theurge would work, what with the demonic magic

[GolemsVoice]

Maybe also a focus on conjuration and fire-themed spells and feats that enhance those. Also something that can represent his phoenix.