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Saint GoH
2010-05-08, 01:16 AM
After reliving a few levels of this fantastic game, I decided to get creative and re-create Ozzie (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5026/ozzieot6.jpg), Slash (http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Slash-chrono-trigger-873721_150_333.gif), and Flea (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/112/475559-flea_large.jpg)as D&D 3.X enemies. Here's what I have thus far:

Ozzie: Completely lost. Not a clue. Artificer mayhap?

Slash: (Race?) Warblade + Interesting PrC?

Flea: Changling Sorcerer/Wilder/Cerebremancer

I would of course like them to synergize fairly well. Thus, Ozzie could kinda stand in the back and do his weird spells/devices he always used, Slash would be up close and personal in the front lines doing all sorts of crazy sword tricks, and Flea would be buffing crazy swordsman and alternately blasting people.

Sir Homeslice
2010-05-08, 01:21 AM
Flea? Blast? Are we playing the same CT? Because last I remember, most of what Flea did was throw statuses everywhere, mostly Confusion.

As for their classes, I have no clue what Ozzie is, though fluff states he's a magician of some sort. Flea's an enchanter through and through.

CrypticOcean
2010-05-08, 01:28 AM
Ozzie would likely be an...Abjurer...perhaps a Conjurer? The only notable things he ever does in a fight is either make himself hard to kill or summon something else to do his dirty work.

Slash actually strikes me as being more of a Swordsage, due to his lack of armour and his slightly supernatural attacks. (At least, I recall some of his sword techniques doing things that seemed supernatural.)

Flea...yes, I would say Enchanter, or if he must go Sorceror, he could choose equal parts Enchantmant and Evocation.

Saint GoH
2010-05-08, 01:28 AM
Good point... Specialist Wizard then? Focus in Enchanting? Are there any PrC's that enhance this? Currently away from books >.<

CrypticOcean
2010-05-08, 01:36 AM
Most of the Enchantment-focused Prestige Classes focus on the Dominate and Charm spell line, although I have never played an Enchanter, so I am not familiar with them.

However, the Master Specialist from the Complete Mage does give an Enchanter some nifty abilities, the first of which allows their Charm spells to not take a penalty when cast upon a hostile target, and Compulsion spells do not grant an automatic save for attempting to make the target do something against its nature. Among other bonuses that the class grants you.

Learnedguy
2010-05-08, 03:44 AM
Considering how useless Ozzie was, you might as well make him an expert with maxed ranks of craft (trap) and the feat "Run":smallconfused:

Then you give him some handy protection from save-or-die spells so your players can't finish him from afar.

Sir Homeslice
2010-05-08, 03:46 AM
Considering how useless Ozzie was, you might as well make him an expert with maxed ranks of craft (trap) and the feat "Run":smallconfused:

... But it's heavily implied that Ozzie taught Magus how to Magus.

Learnedguy
2010-05-08, 03:54 AM
... But it's heavily implied that Ozzie taught Magus how to Magus.

You mean by the way Magus was born in the time of Everyone's a Mage and then time jumped to the AD 600 and met Ozzie:smallconfused:?

Skaven
2010-05-08, 04:00 AM
Wasn't Ozzie the one who polymorphed Glenn into an anthro Frog? He'd definitely have Polymorph any object or something alone those lines.

Fruchtkracher
2010-05-08, 04:15 AM
no the form shaping was definitely magus himself.
though it appeared that ozzie was the one controlled all the undead in the castle,
so maybe necromancer would be more fitting.
actually, remember the scene on the bridge? he definitely has animate dead!

Kurald Galain
2010-05-08, 04:20 AM
Wasn't Ozzie the one who polymorphed Glenn into an anthro Frog?

No, that was Magus.

And it strikes me as more plausible that it was Magus who taught Ozzie how to, you know, Ozzie, rather than the other way around.

Eldariel
2010-05-08, 04:44 AM
Flea never once attacked you. Closest thing he had to an attack was having one character attack two others. He's Enchanter/Nightmare Spinner (Enchantment Adaptation) throwing nasty enchantment/illusion-based spells around (Remember him as a bat? Yeah, he knows some illusion or polymorphing; more likely illusion since he didn't turn into anything unsightly during the fight).

Flash teleports around the place in addition to flurrying from hell and having counterattacks. Warblade/Swordsage, use Desert Wind stuff as the Slash-move itself. Maybe give him Mage Slayer and company.

Ozzie is obviously a caster. Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil who's really bad with his spells? :smallbiggrin: He floats and teleports and creates an impregnable barrier, but he isn't really much of a combatant, at least without Slash and Flea. Bard-based Initiate Inspiring Flash & Flea?

true_shinken
2010-05-08, 07:48 AM
In Chrono Cross, Flea has a few fire spells.

Sir Homeslice
2010-05-08, 08:32 AM
You mean by the way Magus was born in the time of Everyone's a Mage and then time jumped to the AD 600 and met Ozzie:smallconfused:?

Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

Prime32
2010-05-08, 08:47 AM
I second Ozzie as Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil.

Hand_of_Vecna
2010-05-08, 10:21 AM
Third, just have him be a focused specialist with like conjuration, transmutaion, evocation banned so he's a total gimp.

Magus is something along the lines of caster base class 8/IotSFV 7/Shadowcraftmage 5. I'd do wizard because he seems studous though you could just as eaily make him a unusually intelligen soceror to reflect videogame style casting.

Prime32
2010-05-08, 11:57 AM
Magus
NE Human prodigy (Charisma) Battle sorcerer 10/Abjurant champion 5/Initiate of the sevenfold veil 3/Archmage (Mastery of Elements) 2
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scythe), Sanctum Spell

A psionic build might also work, with Dark Matter as tornado blast.

Eldariel
2010-05-08, 01:14 PM
Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

It's heavily implied Magus was hiding his talents: Melchior says Janus's power even exceeds Schala's, while the simplefolk of Zeal are the ones stating Janus has no powers whatsoever. Chances are he wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as he was with someone like Ozzie teaching him if he didn't have incredible natural aptitude. And chances are Ozzie would've just killed him had he not been able to blast the Imps into oblivion. And chances are he wouldn't have become the leader of the Mystics otherwise.

Learnedguy
2010-05-08, 02:39 PM
Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

Considering the first thing he does when he meets you is predicting the death of Crono, I quite frankly doubt that.

gallagher
2010-05-08, 02:53 PM
actually, with an ozzie, a slash, and a flea, you could instead make it three bards, thanks to Ozzie Osbourne, Slash from Guns n Roses and Velvet Revolver, and Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers.

with that in mind, Ozzie can go for the prestige class that gives bards sorceror spells, Slash could go for a more martial bard, maybe be an arcane duelist or something along those lines? Flea, as a bassist, would make a good buff-sorceror, as bassists tend to be good at making other people be better.

Kurald Galain
2010-05-08, 03:01 PM
actually, with an ozzie, a slash, and a flea, you could instead make it three bards, thanks to Ozzie Osbourne, Slash from Guns n Roses and Velvet Revolver, and Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Um, yeah... why do you think they have those names in the first place? :smallbiggrin:

gallagher
2010-05-08, 03:07 PM
Um, yeah... why do you think they have those names in the first place? :smallbiggrin:i have no knowledge of chrono trigger, so i wiki'd it, and according to ctrl-F, there are characters whose english versions of them are named flea and slash. that is pretty much all i had to go off of

Eldariel
2010-05-08, 03:16 PM
i have no knowledge of chrono trigger, so i wiki'd it, and according to ctrl-F, there are characters whose english versions of them are named flea and slash. that is pretty much all i had to go off of

Yeah, they were named Ozzie, Flea and Slash after said musicians. Also, the three gurus of Zeal were named Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar after the noncanonical wisemen.

By the way, I'm noticing multiple people in this thread not having played CT. I don't really care how you do it; emulate if you have to, but that's one experience in your life not worth missing, especially if you're at all into RPGs (and as you are here, you are). Even my friend who otherwise hates JRPGs loved CT and played it through (by comparison, he quit FF7 after the first real boss battle).

true_shinken
2010-05-08, 04:29 PM
By the way, I'm noticing multiple people in this thread not having played CT. I don't really care how you do it; emulate if you have to, but that's one experience in your life not worth missing, especially if you're at all into RPGs (and as you are here, you are).

This. Chrono Trigger is amazing. If at all possible, try the playstation version for the videos.

OracleofWuffing
2010-05-08, 06:52 PM
Yeah, they were named Ozzie, Flea and Slash after said musicians.

Weren't they "originally" named after condiments or something? Soy Sauce I remember, but not the other ones.

Anyhow, however you class Flea, that one's going to be an elf and pull the whole gender-uncertain stuff all over again. :vaarsuvius:

Eldariel
2010-05-08, 07:33 PM
Weren't they "originally" named after condiments or something? Soy Sauce I remember, but not the other ones.

Vinegar (Ozzie), Soy Sauce (Slash) and Mayonnaise (Flea), to be precise.


Anyhow, however you class Flea, that one's going to be an elf and pull the whole gender-uncertain stuff all over again. :vaarsuvius:

Should be outsider, IMHO. "Male or female, what's the difference? Beauty is power and I have beauty." Doesn't sound like an androgynous elf, but rather someone who's very certain that she's a male and beautiful enough to kick butt.

Deth Muncher
2010-05-08, 07:35 PM
This. Chrono Trigger is amazing. If at all possible, try the playstation version for the videos.

Or, do the new DS version for the videos with the load time of the SNES version (aka, none). I've got the SNES version emulated and almost beaten, but I just bought the DS version a while back, so I'm itching to try it out this summer.

deuxhero
2010-05-08, 07:48 PM
Magus
NE Human prodigy (Charisma) Battle sorcerer 10/Abjurant champion 5/Initiate of the sevenfold veil 3/Archmage (Mastery of Elements) 2
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scythe), Sanctum Spell

A psionic build might also work, with Dark Matter as tornado blast.

Scythe is martial.

I'd recomend normal sorcerer and prcing out asap. You lose the benifits if you PRC, but you keep the penalties.

Prime32
2010-05-08, 07:58 PM
It's heavily implied Magus was hiding his talents: Melchior says Janus's power even exceeds Schala'sThat was a mistranslation. He was supposed to say the Prophet's power even exceeds Schala's. Basically, Magus clawed his way up from nothing to become the greatest sorcerer of all time, who even the God of War says "could teach [him] a thing or two".

Another infamous line was "Someone close to you needs help. Find this person, fast!" which many fans took as evidence of a secret quest to save Schala but was actually "Talk to your party members for side-quests".

Then there was a line someone said about "EnergyWhirls", which was supposed to tell you that using the Slash attack on MasaMune stopped him from charging energy.


The DS version fixes these, but it also removes Frog's Shakespearian accent. :smallfrown: (I feel it added quite a bit to his character - note that he only takes it up after he resolves to avenge his hero) Mazoku is translated as Fiends instead of Mystics, and Magus is referred to as Fiendlord half the time.

Interestingly, the DS version also adds a bonus dungeon with an additional ending which ties the story closer to Chrono Cross.

Hand_of_Vecna
2010-05-09, 07:04 AM
I've been spoiled by the emulator and I don't know if I could play through the DS version without the ability to switch to 10 times speed and auto attack when I want to grind or run through an easy area after a side quest.

AstralFire
2010-05-09, 07:39 AM
Yeah, they were named Ozzie, Flea and Slash after said musicians. Also, the three gurus of Zeal were named Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar after the noncanonical wisemen.

By the way, I'm noticing multiple people in this thread not having played CT. I don't really care how you do it; emulate if you have to, but that's one experience in your life not worth missing, especially if you're at all into RPGs (and as you are here, you are). Even my friend who otherwise hates JRPGs loved CT and played it through (by comparison, he quit FF7 after the first real boss battle).

Meh.

I wasn't impressed. Couldn't grab me on the SNES. Last year, tried and beat the DS version; seemed like the combat would have been relatively interesting if you were used to Final Fantasy back then, but by midway through the game, the positional aspect of combat is pretty much dead since most things target 'all' or 'one.' Writing, eh, it's a Square game. Tolerableish. Schala's fate tugged at my heartstrings, the rest of the game completely fails to get any sort of reaction from me.

Ehra
2010-05-09, 08:29 AM
While we're recommending CT, we might as well mention Chrono Cross as well :smalltongue:

I'm probably the only one, but I'd say CC was easily on par with, if no better than, CT.

Eldariel
2010-05-09, 11:20 AM
That was a mistranslation. He was supposed to say the Prophet's power even exceeds Schala's. Basically, Magus clawed his way up from nothing to become the greatest sorcerer of all time, who even the God of War says "could teach [him] a thing or two".

Ah, yes. I actually knew that was a mistranslation, and had conveniently forgotten about it (I've read it...at some point, but I've finished the game ~30 times so the lines are slightly more strongly ingrained in me). Go me. Anyways, yeah, I still believe Janus does have the power or at least potential; while it's true that the whole Lavos-ordeal and Schala, the only person he actually cares for, would give him incredible drive to master magic to destroy Lavos, chances are he couldn't master the simplest cantrip without magical aptitude; Ozzie isn't exactly Spekkio.


Another infamous line was "Someone close to you needs help. Find this person, fast!" which many fans took as evidence of a secret quest to save Schala but was actually "Talk to your party members for side-quests".

I originally thought that was about King Zeal as the continuation of the Rainbow Shell lacked a real quest seed (outside Marle's "whatcha...father..." or whatever she says).


The DS version fixes these, but it also removes Frog's Shakespearian accent. :smallfrown: (I feel it added quite a bit to his character - note that he only takes it up after he resolves to avenge his hero) Mazoku is translated as Fiends instead of Mystics, and Magus is referred to as Fiendlord half the time.

Interestingly, the DS version also adds a bonus dungeon with an additional ending which ties the story closer to Chrono Cross.

DS version removes Woolseyisms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Woolseyism), returning it closer to the original release. Frog's accent is one of the most famous ones (along with Kefka's "Son of a submariner!" and few others). But yeah. Magus was originally "Maou" or "Dark King" so meh, Fiendlord is as good as any, I guess. If Mystics are called Fiends, at any rate.


Meh.

I wasn't impressed. Couldn't grab me on the SNES. Last year, tried and beat the DS version; seemed like the combat would have been relatively interesting if you were used to Final Fantasy back then, but by midway through the game, the positional aspect of combat is pretty much dead since most things target 'all' or 'one.' Writing, eh, it's a Square game. Tolerableish. Schala's fate tugged at my heartstrings, the rest of the game completely fails to get any sort of reaction from me.

Few more struck the chord with me; the whole deal with Crono in the latter half, the first encounter with Lavos, the Magus/Frog deal and so on. The game definitely evoked a lot of emotion in me. Then again, I was a child back then.


While we're recommending CT, we might as well mention Chrono Cross as well :smalltongue:

I'm probably the only one, but I'd say CC was easily on par with, if no better than, CT.

Do not speak of that name. It does not exist. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/discontinuity) Schala not having natural blue hair?! My arse! Of course the royal family's blue heir is natural and the rest dye it to match them. What, you think Magus had been dying his hair blue all those years? And it just gets pettier from here.

Closak
2010-05-09, 01:26 PM
While on the subject of Chrono Trigger, how would one stat out Lavos?

Lavos sorta curbstomped Magus, curbstomped the party, killed Crono, mindraped Queen Zeal into becoming the crazy bitch you see in the game, destroyed the entire ancient civilization (FALLING CONTINENTS!), wiped out the reptites/dinosaurs, influenced the course of evolution, absorbed the combined powers and abilities of every single species in the world, and then finally pretty much nuked the entire planet, resulting in nuclear winter and the gradual extinction of every single organic lifeform everywhere.
He also screwed around with the flow of time is seems, if the fact that you spend the final battle against him in temporal free fall is any indication.

So uh...how do we stat this thing out?

Lycanthromancer
2010-05-09, 02:01 PM
While on the subject of Chrono Trigger, how would one stat out Lavos?

Lavos sorta curbstomped Magus, curbstomped the party, killed Crono, mindraped Queen Zeal into becoming the crazy bitch you see in the game, destroyed the entire ancient civilization (FALLING CONTINENTS!), wiped out the reptites/dinosaurs, influenced the course of evolution, absorbed the combined powers and abilities of every single species in the world, and then finally pretty much nuked the entire planet, resulting in nuclear winter and the gradual extinction of every single organic lifeform everywhere.
He also screwed around with the flow of time is seems, if the fact that you spend the final battle against him in temporal free fall is any indication.

So uh...how do we stat this thing out?Refluffed tarrasque spell-to-power erudite 20?

Trenelus
2010-05-09, 02:09 PM
Magus
NE Human prodigy (Charisma) Battle sorcerer 10/Abjurant champion 5/Initiate of the sevenfold veil 3/Archmage (Mastery of Elements) 2
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scythe), Sanctum Spell

A psionic build might also work, with Dark Matter as tornado blast.
Scythe is martial.

I'd recomend normal sorcerer and prcing out asap. You lose the benifits if you PRC, but you keep the penalties.

You could use elf warlock instead. Works greatly and was awesome to play. And thanks to weapon group rules didn't even have to spent a feat to use scythes.

Re-flavor some of the invocations and have fun. I for sure did.

JadedDM
2010-05-09, 03:23 PM
While we're recommending CT, we might as well mention Chrono Cross as well :smalltongue:

I'm probably the only one, but I'd say CC was easily on par with, if no better than, CT.

No, sorry. You are the only one.

(I mean, seriously? BETTER than CT? I could actually buy someone saying the game is 'not bad' or even 'good' but on par if not better than Chrono Trigger?)

true_shinken
2010-05-09, 05:16 PM
No, sorry. You are the only one.

(I mean, seriously? BETTER than CT? I could actually buy someone saying the game is 'not bad' or even 'good' but on par if not better than Chrono Trigger?)
I love chrono cross... but IN NO WAY is it better than CT.

Prime32
2010-05-09, 06:18 PM
While on the subject of Chrono Trigger, how would one stat out Lavos?

Lavos sorta curbstomped Magus, curbstomped the party, killed Crono, mindraped Queen Zeal into becoming the crazy bitch you see in the game, destroyed the entire ancient civilization (FALLING CONTINENTS!), wiped out the reptites/dinosaurs, influenced the course of evolution, absorbed the combined powers and abilities of every single species in the world, and then finally pretty much nuked the entire planet, resulting in nuclear winter and the gradual extinction of every single organic lifeform everywhere.
He also screwed around with the flow of time is seems, if the fact that you spend the final battle against him in temporal free fall is any indication.

So uh...how do we stat this thing out?Read Elder Evils. It has some very similar creatures.

OracleofWuffing
2010-05-09, 08:32 PM
Should be outsider, IMHO. "Male or female, what's the difference? Beauty is power and I have beauty." Doesn't sound like an androgynous elf, but rather someone who's very certain that she's a male and beautiful enough to kick butt.
As long as you've got the book of Chrono Trigger Quotations out, could you please catch me up on the three or four blocks of dialogue before that? 'Cause that's the line I was thinking of when I made that suggestion, and I think you're missing out on some context.

Random NPC
2010-05-09, 08:55 PM
Slash: Swordsage through and through
Flea: Beguiler :smalltongue:
Ozzy: Adept of some sort. Something silly like that

sonofzeal
2010-05-09, 10:04 PM
... But it's heavily implied that Ozzie taught Magus how to Magus.
Everyone thought Janus couldn't use magic. He could, though - we see that in his ability to give predictions. Did you ever notice, though, that the spheres of magic in that era don't match up to the ones the heroes use? The heroes have Fire, Water, Lightning, Shadow. But in the kingdom of Zeal, they have Fire, Water, and Wind (Masa and Mune use Wind magic, for example). We also know that Janus is Shadow.

The conclusion? Janus could use magic all along, but his sphere of magic simply wasn't known about back then. He failed at Fire, Water, and Air so they thought he had no magic.

banthesun
2010-05-09, 10:23 PM
While on the subject of Chrono Trigger, how would one stat out Lavos?

Lavos sorta curbstomped Magus, curbstomped the party, killed Crono, mindraped Queen Zeal into becoming the crazy bitch you see in the game, destroyed the entire ancient civilization (FALLING CONTINENTS!), wiped out the reptites/dinosaurs, influenced the course of evolution, absorbed the combined powers and abilities of every single species in the world, and then finally pretty much nuked the entire planet, resulting in nuclear winter and the gradual extinction of every single organic lifeform everywhere.
He also screwed around with the flow of time is seems, if the fact that you spend the final battle against him in temporal free fall is any indication.

So uh...how do we stat this thing out?

Like this (http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Brobdingnagian_Teratoid_Tarrasque) I'd assume. I'm not good with my D&D, so I don't know how good that version is, but it might help.

Random NPC
2010-05-09, 10:47 PM
Everyone thought Janus couldn't use magic. He could, though - we see that in his ability to give predictions. Did you ever notice, though, that the spheres of magic in that era don't match up to the ones the heroes use? The heroes have Fire, Water, Lightning, Shadow. But in the kingdom of Zeal, they have Fire, Water, and Wind (Masa and Mune use Wind magic, for example). We also know that Janus is Shadow.

The conclusion? Janus could use magic all along, but his sphere of magic simply wasn't known about back then. He failed at Fire, Water, and Air so they thought he had no magic.

I think they were the same and that was translation problems. Because they were actually Fire, Water and Heaven, which is both wind and lightning.

Eldariel
2010-05-09, 11:38 PM
As long as you've got the book of Chrono Trigger Quotations out, could you please catch me up on the three or four blocks of dialogue before that? 'Cause that's the line I was thinking of when I made that suggestion, and I think you're missing out on some context.

Hum. I don't have a book, but I've played through the game a couple of times. I should be able to recite the whole game from memory if necessary.

Well, assuming you have Marle in your party anyways (I practically always keep her in party, so I don't remember that much else):
Flea: "Giving up, little tadpole?!"
Marle: "Who is this person?"
Frog: "Keep your guard up. This is no ordinary woman. Meet Flea, the magician!"
Flea: "What the? Hey, I'm a GUY!"
Marle: "That thing is a guy?!"
Flea: "Male, female, what's the difference? Power is beautiful and I have the power!"


...or something to that effect. I'm of the opinion that she chooses what she looks like, as an outsider, and as such doesn't really get the whole "male, female" thing. And decides to look like she does, while claiming to be a guy to appear more powerful...and still decides to look so beautiful 'cause the powerful look beautiful. Or something.

sonofzeal
2010-05-10, 12:03 AM
I think they were the same and that was translation problems. Because they were actually Fire, Water and Heaven, which is both wind and lightning.
But "Heaven" makes little sense for the "Water summons Wind, Wind makes Fire dance" riddle, and also that the only "Wind" moves are ones Masa+Mune use (and aren't blocked by Lightning resist, last I checked). (edit) Unless it's like how Ice is a form of Water... but I don't think I'm wrong about the resist.

And even if it's true, we're still left with Zealites not knowing about Shadow magic, leaving Janus without appropriate training or recognition.

Eldariel
2010-05-10, 12:11 AM
But "Heaven" makes little sense for the "Water summons Wind, Wind makes Fire dance" riddle, and also that the only "Wind" moves are ones Masa+Mune use (and aren't blocked by Lightning resist, last I checked). (edit) Unless it's like how Ice is a form of Water... but I don't think I'm wrong about the resist.

And even if it's true, we're still left with Zealites not knowing about Shadow magic, leaving Janus without appropriate training or recognition.

Though Magus is capable of casting Lightning 2, Fire 2 and Ice 2 too in the game. I'm still of the opinion that he hid his powers, possibly on Schala's urging, to avoid getting mindraped by Lavos.

It's plausible that Crono's element is Heaven; Luminaire and Life heavily imply that anyways. They don't really feel like Lightning-type moves. And his element is the opposite of "Shadow". The riddle may be slightly different in the Japanese version. Hm, actually, I have a fan translated version of the game; maybe I can take a look...

sonofzeal
2010-05-10, 12:22 AM
Though Magus is capable of casting Lightning 2, Fire 2 and Ice 2 too in the game.
I see that as a product of his long training at the other elements. As a royal child, he would have had all sorts of instruction based around the three "known" elements, which all would have been unsuccessful but would have left him at least somewhat more capable of using those once he really got going. Shadow is his element and shadow is what comes naturally to him, but because he spent years being drilled in the basics of fire/water/lightning, he understands them a whole lot better than most people understand elements not their own. All Chrono's damaging magic techs deal lightning damage and it works just fine for him, no need to try and slog together a basic understanding of fire or water, but Janus had that forced on him at a young age. Is it any surprise he's the only human(-ish) magic user to access multiple elements?

Dust
2010-05-10, 06:07 AM
Magus is a sorc. He came from people that had the POTENTIAL for magic, and despite arguments in this thread to the contrary, showed several examples of his magical ability in the game. First, he fought off Blue Imps sent at him by Ozzy with magic, which is why the big O actually took the l'il guy under his wing. Secondly, he predicted Chrono's death, as already noted.
He's multiclassed/prestiged a lot since then, but never into anything that reduces his casting ability.

Ozzy is a low-level wizard, who gets by being tougher thanks to his monstrous levels. We know he's always been vastly inferior to Magus, proven by his comments upon meeting Glenn that the character looks like "a scared little frog with no pond to jump into", and asks Magus if he can give Glenn a more fitting form. If Ozzy was capable of Polymorph, he'd do it himself.

Flea's an outsider. Shapechanging, mind-affecting enchantments, and illusions. When Flea first appears, Frog proclaims the appearance to be trickery as well.

Slash has already been satisfactorily described.

true_shinken
2010-05-10, 06:43 AM
Any idea on how to perform Glenn's Frog Smash on D&D (I think it was the name: his last skill, area-effect dealing higher damage when he is low on HP)?

Eldariel
2010-05-10, 06:46 AM
Frog Squash. The issue with that is, D&D doesn't really have mechanics for spells that get stronger as the caster's HP drops; it's clearly a spell since the damage does not improve his normals (Berserker Strength and Pain Mastery would help there otherwise), but so...strange a mechanic for D&D that it's hard to make happen.

Falling Giant Frogs are easy enough though; use Shrink Item with a look-alike statue, Gates, or something.