Lycan-Entomanothrope?

[Volthawk]

OK, first of all:

Lycanthrope (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm)

Entomanothrope (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a)

1) Can both be applied to the same person? I guess so, but just checking.

2) Can you be in hybrid form for both at the same time?

3) Can be in animal/vermin form at the same time?

[urbanpirate]

looks ok RAW but it would make for some weirdness at the table

[Volthawk]

looks ok RAW but it would make for some weirdness at the table

Not gonna use it, got too much LA/RHD, just a fun thought.

Actually, in gestalt it might be fun...

[The Cat Goddess]

"Entomanothrope" is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

“Lycanthrope” is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

The base creature’s type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype.

By RAW, you can do this.

Of course, by RAW you can be a Were-Bear-Were-Boar-Were-Wolf-Were-Tiger-Half-Drow.

By RAI... no, you can't be more than one "Were" type at the same time.

[Volthawk]

"Entomanothrope" is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

“Lycanthrope” is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

The base creature’s type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype.

By RAW, you can do this.

Of course, by RAW you can be a Were-Bear-Were-Boar-Were-Wolf-Were-Tiger-Half-Drow.

By RAI... no, you can't be more than one "Were" type at the same time.

True, but you've got to admit, it is kinda cool.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

2) Can you be in hybrid form for both at the same time?

3) Can be in animal/vermin form at the same time?

The hybrid and alternate forms are based on alternate form, which changes your form completely rather than augmenting it somehow. Thus, I believe you can't be in multiple forms at once.


By RAI... no, you can't be more than one "Were" type at the same time.

Why not? A shamanistic character who can turn into two or more animals without all the druidic baggage makes sense. It's not a mechanical issue either, since anyone with that many -canthropy templates wouldn't be functional at all.

[Volthawk]

The hybrid and alternate forms are based on alternate form, which changes your form completely rather than augmenting it somehow. Thus, I believe you can't be in multiple forms at once.


Aw, so you can't be a Shark-Wasp-Minotaur monstrosity then....

[arguskos]

The hybrid and alternate forms are based on alternate form, which changes your form completely rather than augmenting it somehow. Thus, I believe you can't be in multiple forms at once.
Nitpick: It IS possible to be in multiple forms at once, thanks to the glory that is Master of Many Forms. :smallbiggrin:

Not helpful here, but fun anyhow.

[AmberVael]

Aw, so you can't be a Shark-Wasp-Minotaur monstrosity then....

Weeeeell...

Half-Minotaur, Wasp Entomanothrope, Anthropomorphic Shark.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Nitpick: It IS possible to be in multiple forms at once, thanks to the glory that is Master of Many Forms. :smallbiggrin:

Not helpful here, but fun anyhow.

That's not an inherent quality of alternate form, so the statement that alternate form does not allow multiple forms is correct. It would be interesting for a were-X/were-Y/.../were-N creature to enervation away all the excess HD and then take levels in MoMF, though.

[urbanpirate]

That's not an inherent quality of alternate form, so the statement that alternate form does not allow multiple forms is correct. It would be interesting for a were-X/were-Y/.../were-N creature to enervation away all the excess HD and then take levels in MoMF, though.

concept is great but you would need permenant level drain, enervation is only temporary negative levels.

aside from undead is there a spell that will do this?

[PairO'Dice Lost]

concept is great but you would need permenant level drain, enervation is only temporary negative levels.

aside from undead is there a spell that will do this?

Eh, whatever. Use the permanent negative level source of your choice.

[Flickerdart]

You can use Incarnate Construct template to negate the LA of this insanity.

Incarnate Warforged Werespider Weresnake can buy off its LA by 20, leaving it with 10 class levels, 8 Vermin HD and 2 animal HD. It would be a brutal assassin, trapping prey with its webs and then killing it with poisons, using its snake form when it wishes to stay hidden.
This were-combo has got a CR of +7, without class levels, making it a decent Evil Lieutenant. Its 10HD mean that you can get in 18 class levels as long as they're unassociated for a CR20 encounter. 18th level Druid seems fitting.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

Of course, by RAW you can be a Were-Bear-Were-Boar-Were-Wolf-Were-Tiger-Half-Drow.Are you sure?

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Are you sure?

It doesn't change your type, so you can keep adding were-X templates as long as you don't find some other way to disqualify yourself.

[Ravens_cry]

"Entomanothrope" is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

“Lycanthrope” is a template that can be added to any humanoid or giant.

The base creature’s type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype.

By RAW, you can do this.

Of course, by RAW you can be a Were-Bear-Were-Boar-Were-Wolf-Were-Tiger-Half-Drow.

By RAI... no, you can't be more than one "Were" type at the same time.
At full moon you would be like a one-man furry convention.
But with blood.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

It doesn't change your type, so you can keep adding were-X templates as long as you don't find some other way to disqualify yourself.Normally the same template can't benefit you twice due to same-source bonii

The question is whether choosing different animals for the lycanthrope template differentiates this enough

note: half-dragon is a similar situation. There is a WotC article that jokingly says its possible, but it didn't give a citation iirc