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Quirinus_Obsidian
2010-05-15, 09:29 AM
I am building a Psychic Warrior // Marksman character. ELC6. The Psychic warrior you know. The marksman is from Untapped Potential (Dreamscarred Press). It is effectively a WIS based ranged combat class; manifests powers as a Psychic Warrior. It also has the bonus of having a full BAB, and good REF and WILL saves.

The question is; does one get the bonus power points from WIS once or twice? If I were to change to a Psion instead of Psychic Warrior, would I get bonus power points from both WIS and INT?

Lochar
2010-05-15, 09:31 AM
Depends on how your DM runs things. If it were me, I would have you combine the PP from both side, and you only get your bonus PP from stat once.

Another method is having your PP from each side separate, and can only be spent on powers known by that part of your gestalt.

Lycanthromancer
2010-05-15, 09:41 AM
Depends on how your DM runs things. If it were me, I would have you combine the PP from both side, and you only get your bonus PP from stat once.

Another method is having your PP from each side separate, and can only be spent on powers known by that part of your gestalt.I assume you would do the same to a cleric//favored soul? Question is, though, which side gets the spell slots?

Spellcasters gain spell slots independently of each other, and they gain bonus spell slots to each, regardless of what ability score(s) fuel them.

Ruining it for psionics is sexist systemist.

Pluto
2010-05-15, 09:44 AM
I'd probably rule that you got full PP from both classes, including redundant ability bonuses. After all, a Wizard//Duskblade is going to get Int to spells twice.

Gestalt rules are nebulous, but they indicate that you'd only get PP from the class that provides the most, which would ruin this sort of build. I'd ignore that part of the guidelines here if I were the DM, but you should talk to whoever's running your game - it's their interpretation that matters.

Godskook
2010-05-15, 10:29 AM
Gestalt was a great idea, but what's RAW was poorly written, IMO.

Examples of the stupid results:

Rogue 20//SA Fighter 20 gets 10d6 sneak attack while Rogue 20//Barbarian 1/SA fighter 19 gets 20d6 sneak attack.

Daggerspell Mage is not an allowed prestige class, while all the really powerful prestige clases are ok, such as Archmage, Master Specialist, Incantrix and Malconvoker.

Instead, I'd suggest this:

1.Hybrid classes are ok provided that they only progress one tier 2 or higher class at each level. (There are a few that are unique and interesting enough to be worth nerfing into gestalt viable classes, such as Arcane Heirophant, but most are just of the "I wish I could play gestalt" variety to begin with).

2.You can't use gestalt to exceed normal limits on caster level or equivalent(initiator, manifester, etc).

3.If it stacks normally, it stacks in gestalt, and can be gained at the same time(bonus feats, sneak attack, etc.)

NEO|Phyte
2010-05-15, 10:33 AM
Rogue 20//SA Fighter 20 gets 10d6 sneak attack while Rogue 20//Barbarian 1/SA fighter 19 gets 20d6 sneak attack.


Class features that two classes share (such as uncanny dodge) accrue at the rate of the faster class.
Guess what's a shared class feature between rogue and SA fighter. Hint: starts with S, ends in k, and the middle has "neak attac" in it.

Dacia Brabant
2010-05-15, 10:49 AM
The answer to this question is actually found in the War Mind (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/prestigeClasses/warMind.htm) entry:


If a war mind has power points from a different class, those points are pooled together and usable to manifest powers from either class. Bonus power points from having a high ability score can be gained only for the character’s highest psionic class. (Bold added.)

I think this rule is listed here because it's one of the rare psionic prestige classes that has its own manifesting rather than adding manifesting progression to a base class. Anyway, I think this rule makes sense because of that first line: your power point reserve is the total of all your manifesting classes, rather than separate totals for each class. Only having one ability adding to that one reserve is a reasonable approach and a fair trade for the flexibility of combining your manifesting classes in a way that spellcasting classes cannot be.

So I would say if you're dumping Int then you should go with the two Wis-based manifesters, but if not and if you don't absolutely need the PsyWar bonus feats for your build then I would dump it and go with Psion for the much better access to powers--and probably choose Egoist for the buffs although a Nomad's mobility and a Shaper's versatility would be helpful too.

strider24seven
2010-05-15, 02:11 PM
^^^see above

And I do remember reading somewhere (might've been the SRD or FAQ) that gestalt stacks base power points from all psionic classes. My justification is that they are not the same ability, as they come from separate manifester "types." Good catch on the bonus PP though.

Just a bit of unwarranted advice: If you don't absolutely need the feats from PsyWar, use the Ardent from Complete Psionic. It's that much better.

And a dip in Elocater will help your build tremendously. Since you don't have to worry about BAB loss, you only need to worry about ML. And if you have Practised Manifester, then you're golden.

And if you can use Secrets of Sarlona (it's online), then take 2 levels of Monk somewhere and take Tashalatora. That way you have a backup weapon- in your fists.

Dacia Brabant
2010-05-15, 03:07 PM
And a dip in Elocater will help your build tremendously.

Since this is for an archer, I would only do that if the DM ruled that Spring Attack can be used with a ranged weapon or if it could be substituted for Shot on the Run. Otherwise there's a lot of effectively dead levels in there.

I don't know anything about the Marksman class but Elocator would be especially useful if combined with a way to get Skirmish damage, maybe a homebrew feat to let Marksman and Scout levels stack for that purpose? So Psion 5/Elocator 10//Scout 3/Marksman 12 for the first 15 levels, then PrC on one or the other side to taste.