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Machiavellian
2010-05-20, 12:15 PM
I have a few terms I need clarified. I'm a veteran 2nd edition d&d player, and new to the forum scene. I have 4 terms my buddy told me about, and I want them clarified, if you can...

Mary Sue
Batman Wizard
Joker Bard
Pun-Pun
Omifiscer (?)

Please do explain this to me...I'm lost

Melamoto
2010-05-20, 12:22 PM
Mary Sue - A character with no real weaknesses, perfect personality, and always ending up as the star of the show. Mostly used to describe fictional characters, but can also apply to certain characters created by DMs. See here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue).

Batman Wizard - A wizard that has been optimised to have spells for every situation, and will never be caught off-guard. Focuses on battlefield control over actual damage. Original is no longer alive, see here (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19873034/Treantmonks_guide_to_Wizards:_Being_a_God) for the closest comparison.

Joker Bard - A hypothetical DMs counter to a batman wizard; a bard who uses networks of spies, divination fooling abilities, and knowledge to force the batman wizard into dangerous situations, making them play on his terms. See here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5496158).

Pun-Pun - The most powerful character. EVER. A kobold (Usually a Paladin), that through heavy rules abuse, has literally infinite power and any special ability he wants. See here (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER.).

Omniscifier - The "counter" to Pun-Pun. His entire premise is using more broken rules exploits and infinite loops to find out who and where Pun-Pun is before he becomes omnipotent, and wiping the floor with him at level 4. See here (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19868070/LoPs_Omniscificer).

2xMachina
2010-05-20, 12:24 PM
Mary Sue
Not D&D specific. TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue)

Batman Wizard
Utility/buffer wizard. Cause batman has utility belts.

Joker Bard
No clue. I suspect it's about a all-rounder bard.

Pun-Pun
Kobold Paladin who ascended by saying Pazuzu. Has any power he wants. Ultimate cheese/power

Omifiscer
ANY MAGIC. Triple++ 9's spells I think. The gestalt one is illegal (with dual Prc on both sides).

EDIT: Heh, mistake on the Omnificer. It has similiar names....

Also, ninjaed.

Saint GoH
2010-05-20, 12:25 PM
Errr... Im not certain of the EXACTS, but lets try.

Mary Sue -- From what I've gathered, and over the top perfect too-good to be true character. Try here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue).

Batman Wizard -- The Wizard designed to do everything. Never again will a party be lost or confused or have an unhandle-able situation! For Batman has the ingenuity, the gear, and the availability of alot of spells. Or, in simpler terms, a level 20 wizard.

Joker Bard -- The counter to the Batman Wizard. A user on this board, Shneeky, has a whole write up on him found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5496158).

Pun-Pun (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER.) and the Omniscifier (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19868070/LoPs_Omniscificer)are the "Most Powerful" characters alive essentially. LOTS of cheese. LOTS of silliness. Never actually practical to play in my opinion.

EDIT: Ninja'd beyond all reckoning... BUT I HAVE LINKS CURSE YOU!

Melamoto
2010-05-20, 12:27 PM
EDIT: Ninja'd beyond all reckoning... BUT I HAVE LINKS CURSE YOU!

Link-ninja'd. And to every single one of the terms as well.

And it's worth pointing out the difference between the Omniscificer and the Omnicaster. The former is as I wrote in my post, the latter is a build that, by abusing gestalt rules and by actually breaking a few, achieves 9th level casting in pretty much everything. It is not rules legal, however.

2xMachina
2010-05-20, 12:28 PM
Heh, if used:

DM: Ok, you win D&D. Now, do you want to play my campaign or not?

Saint GoH
2010-05-20, 12:28 PM
Link-ninja'd.

I Just can't win.

Heliomance
2010-05-20, 12:29 PM
Omifiscer
ANY MAGIC. Triple++ 9's spells I think. The gestalt one is illegal (with dual Prc on both sides).

Nope, that's the Omnicaster.

2xMachina
2010-05-20, 12:31 PM
Nope, that's the Omnicaster.

CURSE YOU, MULTI-OMNI'S!

Eldariel
2010-05-20, 12:33 PM
I have a few terms I need clarified. I'm a veteran 2nd edition d&d player, and new to the forum scene. I have 4 terms my buddy told me about, and I want them clarified, if you can...

Mary Sue

Mary Sue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue) is basically a flawless character; no weak points, the brightest, most beautiful, most charismatic character in the story with 0 interest in actually doing anything with it. Everyone loves or likes her, admires her beauty, wit, courage, etc. and so on. And she has an incredibly unusual background. The exact definitions vary a lot, but ba The male version is "Gary Stu" or "Marty Stu".


Batman Wizard

Batman Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104002) was the first real handbook written for character optimization. The credo is that there's a spell that solves every single problem in the game. As such, the better a caster prepares, the closer the number of scenarios he cannot solve is to 0.

Batman as an archetype is basically a controller Wizard, making battles effortless for the "big dumb fighter" to win without wasting resources. As the same spells work in vast majority of scenarios, few Wands and Scrolls combined with careful spell selection means there's pretty much nothing he cannot do. Named thusly due to tendency towards preparation.


Joker Bard

Joker Bard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5496158#post5496158) is basically one of the many "anti-Batman characters" or rather, an idea on how to challenge the Batman Wizard who's always prepared as a DM. It's really...mostly an elusive BBEG mover in the background.


Pun-Pun

Level 1 Kobold who gains arbitrarily high stats and eventually ascends to godhood outranking all the other Gods abusing few loopholes. Pun-Pun (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER.) thread is here, but the Opening Post has an old, old version. The most modern ones use Pazuzu [Fiendish Codex I] with Kobold Paladin to Wish for a Candle of Invocation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#candleofInvocation) (which Gates (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/gate.htm) [3.X Gate compels the called creature to serve] in an Efreeti which you use to Wish for three more Candles; as the Efreeti is bound by Gate, you're fine) and start the loop on level 1.

Of course, it's a theoretical optimization product just intended to test how far the rules go and what's possible within them; it's not intended for actual play.


Omifiscer (?)

Omniscificer (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19868070/LoPs_Omniscificer) is basically an early counter to Pun-Pun. Back when Pun-Pun ascended on 5th level, Omniscificer acquired infinite knowledge checks before then, which enables him to know Pun-Pun is going to ascend, and also exactly how to stop him. Obsolete with the new Pun-Pun, of course.

Again, theoretical optimization. It's its own world, really.


EDIT: Ninja'd. I really figured as much. But at least I have some explanations. And links for everything. Including the Batman Guide since I reposted it myself :smallbiggrin:

Kylarra
2010-05-20, 12:45 PM
random nitpick, that's 5 terms, not 4.