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Thurbane
2010-05-21, 06:08 PM
Hey all, this is an attempt to make an "off the wall" Fighter build by me - that can deal damage, but also has some tricks and versatility. It uses two ACFs - Thug (UA) and Dungeoncrasher (Dng). This is a very rough draft, no gear selection or anything.

It was specifically to use only Fighter levels (I realize it could be vastly improved using class dips, or PrCs):

Human Fighter (Thug, Dungeoncrasher) 12

DTR 16
DEX 13
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 10

H Apprentice (Spellcaster)
1 Apprentice (Martial Artist)
Fl Shaky
Fl Inattentive
B Nymph's Kiss
B Able Learner
3 Knowledge Devotion
F4 Power Attack
6 Bind Vestige
F8 Improved Bull Rush
9 Improved Bind Vestige
F10 Shock Trooper
12 Practiced Binder
F12 Leap Attack

Skill points: 119/15

- Bluff 15
- Intimidate 15
- Jump 15
- Knowledge (Arcana) 15
- Knowledge (Local) 15
- Knowledge (Nature) 15
- Use Magic Device 15
~ Tumble 14

Greenish
2010-05-21, 06:14 PM
While you're at it, take Zhentarim Soldier substitution levels, they only cost you a couple of skill points* and boost your Intimidate (both social and combat use).

*6 over your entire career.

true_shinken
2010-05-21, 07:17 PM
Can you take two apprentice feats?

Thurbane
2010-05-21, 07:29 PM
Nothing says you can't, but would obviously need DM approval.

IdleMuse
2010-05-21, 07:32 PM
Which Vestige are you Binding?

Thurbane
2010-05-21, 07:42 PM
Which Vestige are you Binding?
Well, that would be a daily thing, depending on the situation. I'm fond of Karsus for wand wielding, or Malphas for dove scouting and poison use.

JeminiZero
2010-05-21, 07:53 PM
~ Tumble 14

In lieu of using Apprentice to grab Tumble as a class skill (since you're not maxing concentration), consider Martial Study-Desert Wind instead which nets you a 1/encounter maneuver.

true_shinken
2010-05-21, 07:54 PM
Knowledge Devotion? You have, like, a single knowledge skill, ain't that right?

Boci
2010-05-21, 07:57 PM
Knowledge Devotion? You have, like, a single knowledge skill, ain't that right?

Read the skills.

Thurbane
2010-05-21, 08:01 PM
In lieu of using Apprentice to grab Tumble as a class skill (since you're not maxing concentration), consider Martial Study-Desert Wind instead which nets you a 1/encounter maneuver.
That's an option...

Read the skills.
Indeed:
Knowledge (Arcana) = constructs, dragons & magical beasts
Knowledge (Local) = humanoids
Knowledge (Nature) = animals, fey, giants, monstrous humanoids & plants

true_shinken
2010-05-21, 08:02 PM
Read the skills.

Oh, the Apprentice feat. Of course. I suppose Thug has Knowledge (local)?

For Tumble you don't even need a feat, just use skilled city-dweller and swap it for Ride.

Thurbane
2010-05-21, 08:33 PM
Yep, skills for this character are:

Fighter: Climb, Craft, Handle Animal, Intimidate, Jump, Ride, and Swim.

Thug: Bluff, Gather Information, Knowledge (Local), and Sleight of Hand.

Apprentice (Martial Artist): Concentration & Tumble

Apprentice (Spellcaster): Use Magic Device & Knowledge (Arcana)

Knowledge Devotion: Knowledge (Nature)

Runestar
2010-05-21, 08:53 PM
Knowledge Devotion? You have, like, a single knowledge skill, ain't that right?

You are guaranteed at least +1 to-hit/damage regardless of how crappy your check is. So you don't need to pump your skills sky high, just leave them at 1 (barring the obligatory 5 ranks for qualification). :smallsmile:

Darrin
2010-05-21, 10:07 PM
In lieu of using Apprentice to grab Tumble as a class skill (since you're not maxing concentration), consider Martial Study-Desert Wind instead which nets you a 1/encounter maneuver.

You can also use the Skilled City-Dweller ACF in the Cityscape Web Enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070228a) to swap your Ride skill for Tumble without spending a feat.

true_shinken
2010-05-21, 10:12 PM
You can also use the Skilled City-Dweller ACF in the Cityscape Web Enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070228a) to swap your Ride skill for Tumble without spending a feat.

Sir, you have been ninja'd.

Thurbane
2010-05-22, 12:31 AM
For Tumble you don't even need a feat, just use skilled city-dweller and swap it for Ride.
Sweet, thanks. :smallsmile: