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Volos
2010-05-22, 06:34 PM
I was wondering if there are any races that would be optimal for a wizard focusing in Conjuration and Monster Summoning. I'm planning on taking malconvoker at 6th level. The setting might be Forgotten Realms, but the DM is open to any races without LA.

Eldariel
2010-05-22, 06:38 PM
(Dragonborn any of these)
Gray Elf
Lesser Tiefling
Strongheart Halfling
Human (Silverbrow/Azurin/etc. - suit to taste)
Fire Elf

They're all more or less equal, with different advantages

PId6
2010-05-22, 07:37 PM
(Dragonborn any of these)
Strongheart Halfling
Human (Silverbrow/Azurin/etc. - suit to taste)
Baaaad idea. :smalltongue:

Conjurer
2010-05-22, 07:42 PM
I like being human, thank you very much.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2010-05-22, 08:44 PM
Venerable Spellhoarding Dragonwrought Kobold Loredrake, Greater Draconic Rite of Passage, go Wizard 1/ Stalwart Sorcerer 2/ Malconvoker. Dragonwrought makes you a true dragon, thus qualifying you for dragon-only templates and other options, plus you don't take penalties to your physical ability scores from aging. Loredrake adds +2 levels to your Sorcerer spellcasting ability. Stalwart Sorcerer hinders your Sorcerer spells known and spells/day in exchange for more proficiencies, Weapon Focus, and +2 HP per class level. The Greater Draconic Rite of Passage (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) gives you +1 level of Sorcerer spellcasting ability.

Spellhoarding gives you Int +2, Wis -4, Scribe Scroll, and Eschew Materials, and trades your Sorcerer spellcasting ability for equal levels of Wizard spellcasting ability. You write your spells on your scales instead of in a book, you can write the same spell multiple times, you can sacrifice those scribed spells to fuel other abilities such as alternatives to paying costly material component and xp costs of spells, casting a spell as though from a scroll, etc., and you can never lose your spell book.

With Wizard 1 you can specialize in Conjuration and get Abrupt Jaunt, Enhanced Summoning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#conjurerVariants), Focused Specialist, etc. and your acquired Spellhoarding template will add your Sorcerer spellcasting levels to your existing Wizard spellcasting. At Wizard 1/ Sorcerer 2 you'll have 5th level Wizard spellcasting, Sorcerer gives you Bluff as a class skill and Wizard gives you Kn: Planes so you'll easily meet the skill requirements by then and can go straight into Malconvoker. At your 6th character level you can get the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage for yet another extra level of spellcasting, which would be converted to Wizard. Even after losing a level of spellcasting at Malconvoker 1 your spellcasting ability will be ahead by two levels. You should even consider taking Arcane Disciple to get Thaumaturgist.

Eldariel
2010-05-23, 04:26 AM
With Wizard 1 you can specialize in Conjuration and get Abrupt Jaunt, Enhanced Summoning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#conjurerVariants), Focused Specialist, etc. and your acquired Spellhoarding template will add your Sorcerer spellcasting levels to your existing Wizard spellcasting.

You should always take Rapid Summoning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#rapidSummoning) over Abrupt Jaunt when going summoner; all others want Abrupt Jaunt, but Rapid Summoning is pretty key for anyone who actually wants Quickened summons, summons in due schedule (it's basically an extra action for them), etc.


Baaaad idea. :smalltongue:

Ok, so you can Dragonborn the races based on stat adjustments, not racial abilities :smalltongue:

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2010-05-23, 06:03 AM
You should always take Rapid Summoning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#rapidSummoning) over Abrupt Jaunt when going summoner; all others want Abrupt Jaunt, but Rapid Summoning is pretty key for anyone who actually wants Quickened summons, summons in due schedule (it's basically an extra action for them), etc.

Right, but you should also try to take Obtain Familiar at 1st level to get both.

Ramza00
2010-05-23, 09:24 AM
Right, but you should also try to take Obtain Familiar at 1st level to get both.

Have to be level 3 to take Obtain Familiar, unless you have a caster level of 3. (Spellgifted and another permanent caster level boost)

Critical
2010-05-23, 09:32 AM
Strongheart Halfling is your best bet, otherwise, Human.

Mongoose87
2010-05-23, 10:07 AM
Venerable Spellhoarding Dragonwrought Kobold Loredrake, Greater Draconic Rite of Passage, go Wizard 1/ Stalwart Sorcerer 2/ Malconvoker. Dragonwrought makes you a true dragon, thus qualifying you for dragon-only templates and other options, plus you don't take penalties to your physical ability scores from aging. Loredrake adds +2 levels to your Sorcerer spellcasting ability. Stalwart Sorcerer hinders your Sorcerer spells known and spells/day in exchange for more proficiencies, Weapon Focus, and +2 HP per class level. The Greater Draconic Rite of Passage (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) gives you +1 level of Sorcerer spellcasting ability.

Spellhoarding gives you Int +2, Wis -4, Scribe Scroll, and Eschew Materials, and trades your Sorcerer spellcasting ability for equal levels of Wizard spellcasting ability. You write your spells on your scales instead of in a book, you can write the same spell multiple times, you can sacrifice those scribed spells to fuel other abilities such as alternatives to paying costly material component and xp costs of spells, casting a spell as though from a scroll, etc., and you can never lose your spell book.

With Wizard 1 you can specialize in Conjuration and get Abrupt Jaunt, Enhanced Summoning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#conjurerVariants), Focused Specialist, etc. and your acquired Spellhoarding template will add your Sorcerer spellcasting levels to your existing Wizard spellcasting. At Wizard 1/ Sorcerer 2 you'll have 5th level Wizard spellcasting, Sorcerer gives you Bluff as a class skill and Wizard gives you Kn: Planes so you'll easily meet the skill requirements by then and can go straight into Malconvoker. At your 6th character level you can get the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage for yet another extra level of spellcasting, which would be converted to Wizard. Even after losing a level of spellcasting at Malconvoker 1 your spellcasting ability will be ahead by two levels. You should even consider taking Arcane Disciple to get Thaumaturgist.

My DMG just ran away screaming.