FATAL: A Campaign Journal

[The Cat Goddess]

Ah, FATAL character creation.
---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Osoryd Gender: F Race: Light Elf
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Puberty
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 7 Weight: 1 Siblings: 3 Social Class: Serf
Age: 0 Max Age: 250 Eyes: Blue Skin Color: Deathly Pale
Marital Status: Single Birth Rank: 3rd
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: White Hair Type: Medium thickness, wavy
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Ears below eyebrows
Perceived as having a low mental capacity
Birthplace: City Birthday:3/10/5100
Most Attactive Feature: Chest Most Repulsive Feature: Face
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 113 6
Physical Fitness: 76 -13 Sprint: 18
Strength: 20 -56 Damage: -56% C&J: 11 Bench: 22 DL: 39
Bodily Attractiveness: 250 59
Health: 109 6 Int/Vom: -6% All: 0 Ill. Imm.: 60%

CHARISMA: 95 -3
Facial: 85 -6 Description: Plain
Vocal: 103 3 Description: Normal
Kinetic: 98 0 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 96 -3 Avg. Speech: 145 or 195 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 91 -3
Hand-Eye Coordination: 102 0 Finger Prec: 1/16 inch
Agility: 80 -10 CA Bonus: -3 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 90 -6 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 92 -3 Max Speech: 190 Casting: +10%

INTELLIGENCE: 87 -6
Language: 111 6 #: 3 Vocab: Beguile
Math: 80 -10 Highest Math: Fractions
Analytical: 53 -29
Spatial: 104 3 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 250

WISDOM: 78 -13
Drive: 76 -13 Hours Resting: 18
Intuition: 60 -25
Common Sense: 97 0 Likely to: -
Reflection: 82 -10 Earliest memory at: Age 4


Life Points: 9 Unconscious: 1 CA: 7

Piety Points: 24 Magic Points:

Breadth: 3 BMI: 14.3878 BMI Status: Underweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 89 Morality: 63
You are: Ethical w/Neutral tendencies Neutral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 41 Choleric: 43 Melancholic: 10 Phlegmatic: 12
Primary Temperament: Choleric Secondary Temperament: Sanguine

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 5

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
None

------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 1
Head Cicumference: 12.5875

Why does her head take up roughly half her height?

I only see a height score of "7", with no reference to actual height (or weight).

[Yuki Akuma]

Height is in inches.

And her weight is 1. Pound, that is.

She's a baby. A very light baby...

[Volthawk]

Height is in inches.

And her weight is 1. Pound, that is.

She's a baby. A very light baby...

Which is also in puberty :smalleek:

And can do fractions, oddly enough.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Because she's zero. Babies are like that.

And that is one attractive baby. 250 BA?!

And her earliest memory is four years into the future.
She's the Kwisatz Haderach! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach) :smalleek:

OK, technically that's a Male Only class, but c'mon!

[The Cat Goddess]

Height is in inches.

And her weight is 1. Pound, that is.

She's a baby. A very light baby...

Um... if she's 7 inches tall and has a head circumference of 12.5875...

Either she has an extreme version of the Stewie Griffin Head syndrom, or she's non-euclidian, because her head is taller than her overall height... :smalleek:

[YPU]

Which is also in puberty :smalleek:

And can do fractions, oddly enough.

Elves are weird like that in FATAL I presume?

[Oracle_Hunter]

Elves are weird like that in FATAL I presume?
Yeah, Elves are always Young Adults.

See? FATAL is just broken, even when you take out the squicky stuff :smallsigh:

[Volthawk]

OK, my sheet:

---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Mitya Gender: F Race: Kobold
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Puberty
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 43 Weight: 54 Siblings: 5 Social Class: Slave
Age: 9 Max Age: 80 Eyes: Brown Skin Color: Silvery White
Marital Status: Unhappily Married Birth Rank: 6th
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: Black Hair Type: Medium thickness, straight
Hair Length: 4 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Mole on nose
Perceived as prone to financial losses, a medication reliant, difficult to conserve wealth
Birthplace: Hamlet Birthday:1/27/5091
Most Attactive Feature: Chest Most Repulsive Feature: Feet/Hands
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 78 -13
Physical Fitness: 110 6 Sprint: 34
Strength: 12 -74 Damage: -74% C&J: 4 Bench: 8 DL: 12
Bodily Attractiveness: 93 -3
Health: 99 0 Int/Vom: +0% All: 0 Ill. Imm.: 57

CHARISMA: 92 -3
Facial: 91 -3 Description: Plain
Vocal: 63 -21 Description: Always says 'uh' or 'um'
Kinetic: 103 3 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 113 6 Avg. Speech: 155 or 185 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 93 -3
Hand-Eye Coordination: 86 -6 Finger Prec: 1/16 inch
Agility: 108 3 CA Bonus: 1 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 81 -10 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 100 0 Max Speech: 200 Casting: No modifier

INTELLIGENCE: 77 -13
Language: 98 0 #: 3 Vocab: Instantaneous
Math: 73 -13 Highest Math: Fractions
Analytical: 64 -21
Spatial: 74 -13 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 50

WISDOM: 87 -6
Drive: 81 -10 Hours Resting: 18
Intuition: 104 3
Common Sense: 67 -17 Likely to: Flirt but then get their ass kicked
Reflection: 99 0 Earliest memory at: Age 3


Life Points: 6 Unconscious: 1 CA: 11

Piety Points: 21 Magic Points:

Breadth: 21 BMI: 20.5895 BMI Status: Overweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 94 Morality: 16
You are: Ethical w/Neutral tendencies Neutral w/Immoral tendencies

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 28 Choleric: 98 Melancholic: 95 Phlegmatic: 26
Primary Temperament: Choleric Secondary Temperament: Melancholic

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 3

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
None

------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 9
Head Cicumference: 21.6864


Ethical and Immoral? Does that count as an oxymoron?

And another, a married infant ogre...


---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Person-Forcer Gender: M Race: Cliff Ogre
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Infant
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 42 Weight: 226 Siblings: 3 Social Class: Peasant
Age: 4 Max Age: 200 Eyes: Brown Skin Color: Medium
Marital Status: Happily Married Birth Rank: 1st
Birth Status: NA Hair Color: Light Brown Hair Type: Thin, straight
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Accentuated jawbone
Perceived as masculine
Birthplace: Hamlet Birthday:8/8/5096
Most Attactive Feature: Eyes Most Repulsive Feature: Legs
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 21 -56
Physical Fitness: 7 -74 Sprint: 9
Strength: 36 -44 Damage: -44% C&J: 18 Bench: 36 DL: 54
Bodily Attractiveness: 1 -99
Health: 42 -38 Int/Vom: +38% All: 4 Ill. Imm.: 35%

CHARISMA: 15 -64
Facial: 33 -44 Description: Ugly
Vocal: 10 -74 Description: Weak
Kinetic: 9 -74 Description: Lumbering
Rhetoric: 10 -74 Avg. Speech: 5

DEXTERITY: 5 -99
Hand-Eye Coordination: 9 -74 Finger Prec: 6 inches
Agility: 5 -99 CA Bonus: -16 Brawl: 1/4 Stand: 9
Reaction Speed: 5 -99 Deep Sleep Recov: 7
Enunciation: 1 -99 Max Speech: 40 Casting: Unable to chant properly

INTELLIGENCE: 7 -74
Language: 5 -99 #: 0 Vocab: NA
Math: 3 -99 Highest Math: Addition
Analytical: 8 -74
Spatial: 12 -74 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 2

WISDOM: 25 -50
Drive: 54 -29 Hours Resting: 20
Intuition: 34 -44
Common Sense: 7 -74 Likely to: Attempt to lie to their god
Reflection: 8 -74 Earliest memory at: 1 month ago


Life Points: 11 Unconscious: 2 CA: 1

Piety Points: 44 Magic Points:

Breadth: 18 BMI: 90.3231 BMI Status: Overweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 1 Morality: 1
You are: Unethical Immoral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 20 Choleric: 45 Melancholic: 63 Phlegmatic: 5
Primary Temperament: Melancholic Secondary Temperament: Choleric

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 6

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
Allergy 1: eggs
Allergy 2: asthma
Allergy 3: mammals
Allergy 4: milk
------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 7
Head Cicumference: 25.886

[Yuki Akuma]

Ethics: Law/Chaos

Morality: Good/Evil

He stole the alignment system from D&D.

[Mewtarthio]

I'm more hung up on the "medication reliant" part.

[Weezer]

Ethical and Immoral? Does that count as an oxymoron?

Apparently in an attempt to be "different" and "original" the creators changed the Law/Chaos and Good/Evil axis with Ethical/non-Ethical and Moral/Immoral. They don't seem to have any idea what Ethical and Moral actually mean and go way out of their way to twist the meanings to fit law/chaos and good/evil.

(I got this info from the RPGnet review, not quite insane enought to have actually read enough of the rules to get to the alignment section.)

[Oracle_Hunter]

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
Allergy 1: eggs
Allergy 2: asthma
Allergy 3: mammals
Allergy 4: milk
You're allergic to yourself? :smallconfused:

EDIT: An allergy to "mammaries" would be much more amusing.

As would "manatees" but that's just because they're inherently funny :smallbiggrin:

[Volthawk]

You're allergic to yourself? :smallconfused:

I know. Odd. Kinda funny though.

[Tengu_temp]

And another, a married infant ogre...


---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Person-Forcer Gender: M Race: Cliff Ogre
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Infant
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 42 Weight: 226 Siblings: 3 Social Class: Peasant
Age: 4 Max Age: 200 Eyes: Brown Skin Color: Medium
Marital Status: Happily Married Birth Rank: 1st
Birth Status: NA Hair Color: Light Brown Hair Type: Thin, straight
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Accentuated jawbone
Perceived as masculine
Birthplace: Hamlet Birthday:8/8/5096
Most Attactive Feature: Eyes Most Repulsive Feature: Legs
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 21 -56
Physical Fitness: 7 -74 Sprint: 9
Strength: 36 -44 Damage: -44% C&J: 18 Bench: 36 DL: 54
Bodily Attractiveness: 1 -99
Health: 42 -38 Int/Vom: +38% All: 4 Ill. Imm.: 35%

CHARISMA: 15 -64
Facial: 33 -44 Description: Ugly
Vocal: 10 -74 Description: Weak
Kinetic: 9 -74 Description: Lumbering
Rhetoric: 10 -74 Avg. Speech: 5

DEXTERITY: 5 -99
Hand-Eye Coordination: 9 -74 Finger Prec: 6 inches
Agility: 5 -99 CA Bonus: -16 Brawl: 1/4 Stand: 9
Reaction Speed: 5 -99 Deep Sleep Recov: 7
Enunciation: 1 -99 Max Speech: 40 Casting: Unable to chant properly

INTELLIGENCE: 7 -74
Language: 5 -99 #: 0 Vocab: NA
Math: 3 -99 Highest Math: Addition
Analytical: 8 -74
Spatial: 12 -74 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 2

WISDOM: 25 -50
Drive: 54 -29 Hours Resting: 20
Intuition: 34 -44
Common Sense: 7 -74 Likely to: Attempt to lie to their god
Reflection: 8 -74 Earliest memory at: 1 month ago


Life Points: 11 Unconscious: 2 CA: 1

Piety Points: 44 Magic Points:

Breadth: 18 BMI: 90.3231 BMI Status: Overweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 1 Morality: 1
You are: Unethical Immoral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 20 Choleric: 45 Melancholic: 63 Phlegmatic: 5
Primary Temperament: Melancholic Secondary Temperament: Choleric

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 6

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
Allergy 1: eggs
Allergy 2: asthma
Allergy 3: mammals
Allergy 4: milk
------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 7
Head Cicumference: 25.886


He's allergic to milk. And mammals. And has money.

[Volthawk]

Apparently in an attempt to be "different" and "original" the creators changed the Law/Chaos and Good/Evil axis with Ethical/non-Ethical and Moral/Immoral. They don't seem to have any idea what Ethical and Moral actually mean and go way out of their way to twist the meanings to fit law/chaos and good/evil.

(I got this info from the RPGnet review, not quite insane enought to have actually read enough of the rules to get to the alignment section.)

Yeah, LE is not Ethical. At all. But I suppose that's minor compared to the other problems.

[Greenish]

Ah, FATAL character creation.
---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Osoryd Gender: F Race: Light Elf
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Puberty
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 7 Weight: 1 Siblings: 3 Social Class: Serf
Age: 0 Max Age: 250 Eyes: Blue Skin Color: Deathly Pale
Marital Status: Single Birth Rank: 3rd
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: White Hair Type: Medium thickness, wavy
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Ears below eyebrows
Perceived as having a low mental capacity
Birthplace: City Birthday:3/10/5100
Most Attactive Feature: Chest Most Repulsive Feature: Face
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 113 6
Physical Fitness: 76 -13 Sprint: 18
Strength: 20 -56 Damage: -56% C&J: 11 Bench: 22 DL: 39
Bodily Attractiveness: 250 59
Health: 109 6 Int/Vom: -6% All: 0 Ill. Imm.: 60%

CHARISMA: 95 -3
Facial: 85 -6 Description: Plain
Vocal: 103 3 Description: Normal
Kinetic: 98 0 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 96 -3 Avg. Speech: 145 or 195 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 91 -3
Hand-Eye Coordination: 102 0 Finger Prec: 1/16 inch
Agility: 80 -10 CA Bonus: -3 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 90 -6 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 92 -3 Max Speech: 190 Casting: +10%

INTELLIGENCE: 87 -6
Language: 111 6 #: 3 Vocab: Beguile
Math: 80 -10 Highest Math: Fractions
Analytical: 53 -29
Spatial: 104 3 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 250

WISDOM: 78 -13
Drive: 76 -13 Hours Resting: 18
Intuition: 60 -25
Common Sense: 97 0 Likely to: -
Reflection: 82 -10 Earliest memory at: Age 4


Life Points: 9 Unconscious: 1 CA: 7

Piety Points: 24 Magic Points:

Breadth: 3 BMI: 14.3878 BMI Status: Underweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 89 Morality: 63
You are: Ethical w/Neutral tendencies Neutral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 41 Choleric: 43 Melancholic: 10 Phlegmatic: 12
Primary Temperament: Choleric Secondary Temperament: Sanguine

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 5

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
None

------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 1
Head Cicumference: 12.5875

Why does her head take up roughly half her height?She's 0 years old and has a younger sibling? Pretty fertile elves.

[YPU]

Wait, wasn't this system supposed to be realistic? I am confused. Somebody needs to tell me about the birds and the bras again it seems.

[tonberrian]

So I just rolled someone with around -1.7 billion siblings. I'm not sure how to take that.

---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Darlicia Gender: F Race: Kobold
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Child
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 38 Weight: 39 Siblings: -1717986920 Social Class: Peasant
Age: 5 Max Age: 80 Eyes: Brown Skin Color: Silvery White
Marital Status: Unhappily Married Birth Rank:
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: Dirty Blond Hair Type: Thick, curly
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Yellow or unkempt teeth
Perceived as cruel
Birthplace: Village Birthday:11/27/5095
Most Attactive Feature: Legs Most Repulsive Feature: Chest
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 41 -38
Physical Fitness: 52 -29 Sprint: 23
Strength: 12 -74 Damage: -74% C&J: 4 Bench: 8 DL: 12
Bodily Attractiveness: 16 -64
Health: 86 -6 Int/Vom: +6% All: 1 Ill. Imm.: 53%

CHARISMA: 64 -21
Facial: 71 -17 Description: Homely
Vocal: 52 -29 Description: Hoarse
Kinetic: 81 -10 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 55 -25 Avg. Speech: 115 or 250 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 77 -13
Hand-Eye Coordination: 90 -6 Finger Prec: 1/16 inch
Agility: 75 -13 CA Bonus: -4 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 71 -17 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 72 -17 Max Speech: 150 Casting: +50%

INTELLIGENCE: 44 -34
Language: 55 -25 #: 1 Vocab: Wavering
Math: 34 -44 Highest Math: Subtraction
Analytical: 42 -38
Spatial: 46 -34 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 10

WISDOM: 87 -6
Drive: 91 -3 Hours Resting: 17
Intuition: 68 -17
Common Sense: 114 6 Likely to: -
Reflection: 78 -13 Earliest memory at: Age 4


Life Points: 6 Unconscious: 1 CA: 6

Piety Points: 30 Magic Points:

Breadth: 19 BMI: 19.0409 BMI Status: Healthy weight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 30 Morality: 4
You are: Neutral w/Unethical tendencies Immoral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 3 Choleric: 29 Melancholic: 36 Phlegmatic: 47
Primary Temperament: Phlegmatic Secondary Temperament: Melancholic

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 1

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
Illness 1: psychosis
Illness 2: dependent personality disorder
Illness 3: pyromania
Illness 4: patholoical gambling

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
Allergy 1: asthma
------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Left-handed
Foot Size: 4
Head Cicumference: 18.5184

[Poil]

Wait, wasn't this system supposed to be realistic?

Only to people with very loose definitions of "realistic".

[DragoonWraith]

So I just rolled someone with around -1.7 billion siblings. I'm not sure how to take that.
That's almost certainly a number-wrapping bug in the code, not an issue with FATAL's rules.

Though it might imply that you rolled several billion siblings and it wrapped... That would imply that you had 2,147,483,647 + (2,147,483,648 - 1,717,986,920) = 2,576,980,375 siblings (assuming they used long variables), though, so more likely it's a glitch that came up with the number.

[Worira]

So I just rolled someone with around -1.7 billion siblings. I'm not sure how to take that.

---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Darlicia Gender: F Race: Kobold
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Child
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 38 Weight: 39 Siblings: -1717986920 Social Class: Peasant
Age: 5 Max Age: 80 Eyes: Brown Skin Color: Silvery White
Marital Status: Unhappily Married Birth Rank:
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: Dirty Blond Hair Type: Thick, curly
Hair Length: 2 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Yellow or unkempt teeth
Perceived as cruel
Birthplace: Village Birthday:11/27/5095
Most Attactive Feature: Legs Most Repulsive Feature: Chest
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 41 -38
Physical Fitness: 52 -29 Sprint: 23
Strength: 12 -74 Damage: -74% C&J: 4 Bench: 8 DL: 12
Bodily Attractiveness: 16 -64
Health: 86 -6 Int/Vom: +6% All: 1 Ill. Imm.: 53%

CHARISMA: 64 -21
Facial: 71 -17 Description: Homely
Vocal: 52 -29 Description: Hoarse
Kinetic: 81 -10 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 55 -25 Avg. Speech: 115 or 250 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 77 -13
Hand-Eye Coordination: 90 -6 Finger Prec: 1/16 inch
Agility: 75 -13 CA Bonus: -4 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 71 -17 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 72 -17 Max Speech: 150 Casting: +50%

INTELLIGENCE: 44 -34
Language: 55 -25 #: 1 Vocab: Wavering
Math: 34 -44 Highest Math: Subtraction
Analytical: 42 -38
Spatial: 46 -34 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 10

WISDOM: 87 -6
Drive: 91 -3 Hours Resting: 17
Intuition: 68 -17
Common Sense: 114 6 Likely to: -
Reflection: 78 -13 Earliest memory at: Age 4


Life Points: 6 Unconscious: 1 CA: 6

Piety Points: 30 Magic Points:

Breadth: 19 BMI: 19.0409 BMI Status: Healthy weight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 30 Morality: 4
You are: Neutral w/Unethical tendencies Immoral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 3 Choleric: 29 Melancholic: 36 Phlegmatic: 47
Primary Temperament: Phlegmatic Secondary Temperament: Melancholic

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 1

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
Illness 1: psychosis
Illness 2: dependent personality disorder
Illness 3: pyromania
Illness 4: patholoical gambling

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
Allergy 1: asthma
------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Left-handed
Foot Size: 4
Head Cicumference: 18.5184

I think it probably has something to do with the pyromania.

[Weezer]

Yeah, LE is not Ethical. At all. But I suppose that's minor compared to the other problems.

What really irks me is that he (apparently) goes so far as to cite Aristotelian Ethics as that basis of his alignment system :smallfurious:

[Bayar]

Wait, wasn't this system supposed to be realistic? I am confused. Somebody needs to tell me about the birds and the bras again it seems.

Sorry, wont go back near the rules for having birds meeting bras. That thing gives Azathoth nightmares while reducing it's sanity down to 0.

[Dogmantra]

Wait, wasn't this system supposed to be realistic? I am confused. Somebody needs to tell me about the birds and the bras again it seems.

But birds and bras actually exist! That would mean the game had any foundation in reality whatsoever, which clearly goes against its design principles!

[OMG PONIES]

And can do fractions, oddly enough.

I think I just got the inspiration for my next D&D character. A baby elf psion with a penchant for math.

Thank you, FATAL.

[Volthawk]

I think I just got the inspiration for my next D&D character. A baby elf psion with a penchant for math.

Thank you, FATAL.

Wait, you benefited from FATAL?

[Catch]

Wait, you benefited from FATAL?

Certainly.

If anything, it's a cautionary tale for game designers and game masters alike: Make games that are fun and fair. Otherwise, you're a rapist with an Excel spreadsheet.

[OMG PONIES]

Wait, you benefited from FATAL?

Well, more from the concept of random character generation than from FATAL per se, but I guess we must give credit where credit is due, so...

Thank you, maker of a random character generator!

[arguskos]

Otherwise, you're a rapist with an Excel spreadsheet.
This is something I'd love to sig, but, uh, the likelihood of that being permitted (due to out of context misinterpretations and whatnot) is high, so I'll refrain. Still, this was glorious. :smallbiggrin:

[Thane of Fife]

And that is one attractive baby. 250 BA?!

This is because of FATAL's use of BMI for attractiveness (for females). I think it's something like +10 BA for every 0.1 under... 16, maybe? 18? Regardless, babies have huge reductions in weight, and much smaller reductions in height, leading to very low BMIs.

[warmachine]

What's enunciation?

[Yuki Akuma]

What's enunciation?

Your ability to enunciate.

That is, pronounce words properly.

[Androgeus]

Um... if she's 7 inches tall and has a head circumference of 12.5875...

The diameter of her head I believe is 4.003'' (given that her head is a perfect circle....)

[tonberrian]

Like I said.

More head than baby.

[Mongoose87]

This is because of FATAL's use of BMI for attractiveness (for females). I think it's something like +10 BA for every 0.1 under... 16, maybe? 18? Regardless, babies have huge reductions in weight, and much smaller reductions in height, leading to very low BMIs.

So, babies are the sexiest people on the world? :smalleek:

[Yuki Akuma]

Only female babies. Males get a BA penalty for being underweight, so male babies are ugly as sin.

[Greenish]

So, babies are the sexiest people on the world? :smalleek:Yeah, and after them come the anorexic. Femme fatales are apparently the sexier the more underweight they are. :smallmad:

[Eorran]

On that note, did anyone notice the ogre had a BMI of over 90?

30 is considered obese.

I'm 5'8", roughly. To have a BMI of 90 means I would have to weigh 600 lbs

That's not an Ogre, it's a Hutt. A fat Hutt.

[RandomLunatic]

On that note, did anyone notice the ogre had a BMI of over 90?

30 is considered obese.

I'm 5'8", roughly. To have a BMI of 90 means I would have to weigh 600 lbs

That's not an Ogre, it's a Hutt. A fat Hutt.

That's no moon. That's an ogre.

[Salbazier]

Oh, my God. What happened to you while I leave you guys! :smalleek: This disease has spread even more!:smallannoyed: I pray for your sanity:smallfrown:

:smallwink::smallwink:

[Eldan]

Hmm.

Couldn't someone make a, you know, sane random character generator?
Shouldn't be too hard for DnD, should it.

[The Tygre]

I think what we're all saying here, Dust, is;

http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/MOAR8.jpg

[Delta]

Couldn't someone make a, you know, sane random character generator?
Shouldn't be too hard for DnD, should it.

Anyone who knows even the basics of any kind of programming language and how to use a randomizer-function should be able to create a D&D random character generator without much of a problem.

Thing is, what for? The character generated would most likely be useless, as you randomly assign stat scores and then randomly choose a class that most likely won't fit those scores at all.

[Bayar]

Oh, my God. What happened to you while I leave you guys! :smalleek: This disease has spread even more!:smallannoyed: I pray for your sanity:smallfrown:

:smallwink::smallwink:

FATAL is like Zalgo. It corrupts everything.

[Eldan]

Anyone who knows even the basics of any kind of programming language and how to use a randomizer-function should be able to create a D&D random character generator without much of a problem.

Thing is, what for? The character generated would most likely be useless, as you randomly assign stat scores and then randomly choose a class that most likely won't fit those scores at all.

Hmm. Maybe a kind of AD&D thing, then. Must have Int 15+ to be a wizard. Must have STR 14, CON 14 to be a fighter.

But yeah, not really necessary.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

So I used the character generator I rolled Subterrenian troll and opened the PDF to check out the race. Basically the males are fat hairy pigs and the females are large hot green women that sleep around with large men from more attractive races. Wow, the mental images this gives me are hilarious so I had to roll up a female despite the outrageous negatives though the troll bonuses still make a typical female troll much larger and stronger than a male human. I ended up with stats that seem (I have very little context) high overall except for a low dexterity with an abysmal agility. I ended up with a mental illness that makes me a rapist which is kinda funny with the whole being a giant hot green woman attracted to human/humanlike men.

So I opened the book to roll for proffession subterranean trolls only seem to be able to take twenty or so classes and a good portion of them sound like they’ll be decent. I rolled pick-pocket first, trolls can’t be pick-pockets, rolled again got assassin which my poor hand-eye-coordination disqualified me from too bad a giant green assassin that takes sexual advantage of her targets would have been hilarious. Oops rolled assassin a second time man if somebody across the table from me rolled a soap maker they’d be hating me now. OK, this is getting silly I just rolled pickpocket again.

So, I just looked over the Assassin class wow it gains AP =Victims LP(human averages about 20) times sp their paid so you could easily level quick and level 2 assassin gives you an ability where you instantly kill on an unmodified attack roll of 30 and it goes down a bit every assassin level regardless of your normal damage or your victims life points.

Anyway time for a fifth roll for occupation of course a better system would have a subterranean troll table since I’m estimating I can take 1/10nth of the classes on the serf table.

323 healer pretty sure that’s off limits. . . No trolls can take it but, I can’t despite a high intelligence I have a below average analytical intelligence baring me from healer, it sucks anyway 1 AP per patient and only 1 skill.

Judging by the list in the sub-troll section I should have close to a 50% chance of getting something that could make an adventurer.

953 Whore, huh you know that’d be ok if it wasn’t for the mental illness I rolled.

So my two crap stats effect a lot of my skills (as well as every combat skill) if you look at my skills those are all things with a racial or occupational bonus I put all my free points into wrestling (it uses the average of strengh and agility I still have a large negative but it’s much smaller) so I can have a small chance of doing something in a fight.

Another thing I noticed a lot of occupations say it’s rare for a race or gender to be in them but, I didn’t find any mention of being able to reroll in those cases since you have the same chance as anyone else of rolling them.

Anyway assuming I can find sufficient work even with some minor negatives from a low kinetic charisma she can level in under a week.

---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Theano Gender: F Race: Subterranean Troll
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Young Adult
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 90 Weight: 218 Siblings: 4 Social Class: Serf
Age: 26 Max Age: 150 Eyes: Bloody-Brown Skin Color: Green
Marital Status: Unhappily Married Birth Rank: 4th
Birth Status: NA Hair Color: Black Hair Type: Thick, wavy, oily
Hair Length: 20 Vision: Perfect natural vision
Facial Feature: Ears below eyebrows
Perceived as having a low mental capacity
Birthplace: Capital City Birthday:1/21/5074
Most Attactive Feature: Lips Most Repulsive Feature: Chest
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 111 6
Physical Fitness: 107 3 Sprint: 62
Strength: 114 6 Damage: +6% C&J: 63 Bench: 127 DL: 190
Bodily Attractiveness: 104 3
Health: 121 12 Int/Vom: -12% All: 0 Ill. Imm.: 63%

CHARISMA: 110 6
Facial: 102 0 Description: Plain
Vocal: 158 27 Description: Rhythmic
Kinetic: 82 -10 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 101 0 Avg. Speech: 150 or 190 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 73 -13
Hand-Eye Coordination: 64 -21 Finger Prec: 1/8 inch
Agility: 37 -38 CA Bonus: -10 Brawl: 2 Stand: 4
Reaction Speed: 90 -6 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 103 3 Max Speech: 210 Casting: -2%

INTELLIGENCE: 108 3
Language: 107 3 #: 3 Vocab: Undismayed
Math: 134 17 Highest Math: Trigonometry
Analytical: 89 -6
Spatial: 105 3 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 250

WISDOM: 106 3
Drive: 123 12 Hours Resting: 14
Intuition: 105 3
Common Sense: 107 3 Likely to: -
Reflection: 92 -3 Earliest memory at: Age 3


Life Points: 32 Unconscious: 6 CA: 4

Piety Points: 64 Magic Points:

Breadth: 45 BMI: 18.9741 BMI Status: Healthy weight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 22 Morality: 43
You are: Neutral w/Unethical tendencies Neutral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 1 Choleric: 46 Melancholic: 95 Phlegmatic: 94
Primary Temperament: Melancholic Secondary Temperament: Phlegmatic

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 1939

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
Illness 1: raptophilia
Illness 2: paranoia
--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
None

------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 10
Head Cicumference: 27.63

----------------------------------------Skills------------------------------------
Blind Fighting -9 Brawling -33 Direction Sense +6 Mangling +5 Trickery +9
Wrestling -6 Acting (Drama) +9 Contortion-12 Massage -12 Seduction +10
Sexual Adeptness +3




So somebody was talking about a pbp? I can't stop rolling up characters with this random generator!

[Jarawara]

OK, I see kinda an odd pattern here...

From Yuki Akuma's character:

"Perceived as a waster of money, generous"
"Social class: Slave"

From SaintRidley's character:

"Perceived as financially stable"
"Social class: Slave"

From Volthawks's character:

"Perceived as prone to financial losses, difficult to conserve wealth
Social class: Slave"

:smallconfused:

OK, so the three of you come to your supervisor's office to discuss your weekly paychecks. Volthawk says: "Sir, do you suppose I could get a raise, I'm a little shorthanded this month." SaintRidley says to Volthawk: "If you need a loan, I've got money to spare and could get it to you at a low interest rate." Yuki Akuma interrupts and says: "Hey boss, why don't you just give my paycheck to Volthawk. He needs it more than me. I'll get by just fine without it."

The supervisor rises with a bufuddled look on his face, then gets angry, grabs his whip, and shouts out: "GET BACK TO WORK, SLAVES, BEFORE I FLAY THE HIDE OFF YOUR BACKS!!!"

Three cheers for FATAL, the most realistic RPG evah!

*~*~*

Honorable mention goes to Tonberrian's character:

"Perceived as having a low mental capacity
Social class: Serf"

He wasn't smart enough to get in on this lucrative 'slave' gig.

[Randalor]

All I can say about the character creator is... it has a few problems.

---------------------------F.A.T.A.L. Character------------------------------------
Copyright (c) 2000-2003 Fatal Games. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------General Character Information------------------------------
Character Name: Hengist Gender: M Race: Dark Elf
Player Name: Occupation: Age Category: Young Adult
Homeland: Level: Religion:
Height: 8 Weight: 2 Siblings: 0 Social Class: Serf
Age: 0 Max Age: 250 Eyes: Black Skin Color: Black
Marital Status: Single Birth Rank: Only child
Birth Status: Legitimate Hair Color: Brunette Hair Type: Thick, wavy, oily
Hair Length: 1 Vision: Far-sightedness, 5 feet
Facial Feature: Diminished jawbone
Perceived as feminine
Birthplace: City Birthday:7/11/5100
Most Attactive Feature: Face Most Repulsive Feature: Hair
Appearance:
Notes:

----------------------------Character Abilities-------------------------------------
Sub-ability Score Mods
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
PHYSIQUE: 86 -6
Physical Fitness: 136 17 Sprint: 24
Strength: 44 -34 Damage: -34% C&J: 25 Bench: 50 DL: 75
Bodily Attractiveness: 47 -34
Health: 119 9 Int/Vom: -9% All: 0 Ill. Imm.: 62%

CHARISMA: 107 3
Facial: 116 9 Description: Plain
Vocal: 117 9 Description: Normal
Kinetic: 88 -6 Description: Ordinary
Rhetoric: 108 3 Avg. Speech: 152 or 187 (50%)

DEXTERITY: 91 -3
Hand-Eye Coordination: 126 12 Finger Prec: 1/32 inch
Agility: 86 -6 CA Bonus: -2 Brawl: 2 Stand: 3
Reaction Speed: 65 -21 Deep Sleep Recov: 2
Enunciation: 88 -6 Max Speech: 180 Casting: +20%

INTELLIGENCE: 100 0
Language: 116 9 #: 3 Vocab: Transcendental
Math: 99 0 Highest Math: Algebra
Analytical: 98 0
Spatial: 87 -6 Unfamiliar Object Assembly: 125

WISDOM: 109 6
Drive: 102 0 Hours Resting: 16
Intuition: 108 3
Common Sense: 124 12 Likely to: -
Reflection: 104 3 Earliest memory at: Age 3


Life Points: 12 Unconscious: 2 CA: 8

Piety Points: 98 Magic Points:

Breadth: 4 BMI: 22.0313 BMI Status: Overweight

-------------------------------------Disposition------------------------------------
Ethicality: 57 Morality: 1
You are: Neutral Immoral

-------------------------------------Temperament------------------------------------
Sanguine: 21 Choleric: 77 Melancholic: 76 Phlegmatic: 44
Primary Temperament: Choleric Secondary Temperament: Melancholic

-------------------------------------Starting Funds---------------------------------
Silver Pieces: 0

------------------------------------Mental Illnesses--------------------------------
None

--------------------------------------Allergies-------------------------------------
None

------------------------------------Rare Features-----------------------------------
Handedness: Right-handed
Foot Size: 1
Head Cicumference: 11.6545

-----------------------------------Sexual Features----------------------------------
Areola Diameter: 1 Areola Hue: Dark
Tongue Size: 3 Sexuality: Heterosexual
Debauchery: 72



So I checked the FATAL pdf, average Dark Elf height is aprox 4'. He's... 8 inches tall, and weighs 2 pounds. His nipples must form some sort of supernipple, seeing as how he's roughly a short stick. A young adult age Zero'd stick. His earliest memory is in the future. I've rolled up several characters with the generator *My girlfriend and I were up until 3 in the morning laughing our asses off at the results.* I've programed better random generators in highschool.

Also, has anyone checked the Fatalgames site? It looks like it's now a flash game site.

Edit: Removed non-family friendly Sexual Features.

[Yuki Akuma]

Well actually in FATAL, some slaves do get an allowance.

It's not the norm, but it happens.

[The Glyphstone]

So I checked the FATAL pdf, average Dark Elf height is aprox 4'. He's... 8 inches tall, and weighs 2 pounds. His nipples must form some sort of supernipple, seeing as how he's roughly a short stick. A young adult age Zero'd stick. His earliest memory is in the future. I've rolled up several characters with the generator *My girlfriend and I were up until 3 in the morning laughing our asses off at the results.* I've programed better random generators in highschool.

Also, has anyone checked the Fatalgames site? It looks like it's now a flash game site.

Pssst. You forgot to edit out the Sexual Features section...

[Zeta Kai]

So, babies are the sexiest people on the world? :smalleek:

Hmmm... FATAL has Unfortunate Implications of extreme sexual deviancy. I never would've guessed. :smalltongue:

Also, this has to be a record for FATAL-based threads on this site. Most would've self-locked by now. FATAL is the Hitler of gaming discussions. Kudos to all those who can follow the forum rules. :smallcool:

[Arakune]

What is this


"debauchery"


thing?

[Fawkes]

Remember when this thread was a campaign journal?

[Yuki Akuma]

In FATALese, it means how kinky you are.

[AstralFire]

Remember when this thread was a campaign journal?

The times, they are a-changin'.

[OMG PONIES]

Remember when this thread was a campaign journal?

It still is; we're all rolling our characters.

[Randalor]

Pssst. You forgot to edit out the Sexual Features section...

Oops, I kept in the Sexual Features section because of the 1" nipples and the tounge that's almost half his height, but forgot to cut out the naughty bits. Fixed now.

[Greenish]

Oops, I kept in the Sexual Features section because of the 1" nipples and the tounge that's almost half his height, but forgot to cut out the naughty bits. Fixed now.Wait, tongue size is…

Oh my poor, (formerly) pure mind.

[Bayar]

The reason that most characters wind up slaves is because slaves are about 60 % IIRC, 22 % are serfs (which is FATAL's HISTORICALLY AND MYTHOLOGICALLY's equivalent of a middle class). Only 8% are nobility, and from that there are only 1 % royalty. The process of rolling these percentages is very convoluted though, so better be a slave than try to figure it out and make sense of it (LOL common FATAL sense).

[warmachine]

There's 10% missing from the statement above. If the serfs are the middle class, what are the yeomen, freemen, artisans and merchants?

[Yuki Akuma]

Hall is an idiot, basically. In his mind, Slaves are at the bottom, then Peasants (what anyone else would call serfs, but, again, he's an idiot), then Serfs (which anyone else would call the middle class; i.e. artisans, merchants, yeomen), then the Nobility and finally the Royalty.

Did I mention Byron Hall is an idiot?

[Hand_of_Vecna]

I rolled up another character today a male cliff ogre named "Bystandard Forcer" seriously that's what the generater named him. Crazily strong low charisma and agility (I believe that's normal for an ogre) but his rhetoric is really high despite a significant racial penalty. I was pretty excited about him until I rolled begger for an occupation so I just have my racial skills, haggle and 2 skill points which I put into haggle and intimidate. I think he can get by pretty well on those two skills plus wrestling he has big bonuses in intimidate and wrestling from his huge strengh score and size. I picture him as giant version of badger from firefly including a bowler hat and working to create a underworld organization from the ground up.

I also noticed that begger gives 1 AP per 100 sp recieved, ok what's with the crazy exchange rate anyway it says recieved and not "recieved from begging" so maybe anykind of income counts. Considering that it's F.A.T.A.L I'm pretty sure favorable RAW interpretations are kosher.

[Mystic Muse]

Did I mention Byron Hall is an idiot?

Yes, but not nearly enough times.

[TheLaughingLich]

I also noticed that begger gives 1 AP per 100 sp recieved, ok what's with the crazy exchange rate anyway it says recieved and not "recieved from begging" so maybe anykind of income counts. Considering that it's F.A.T.A.L I'm pretty sure favorable RAW interpretations are kosher.

Wait, so doesn't that mean you can:
1) Gather 100 sp.
2) Find another beggar.
3) "Beg" it back and forth between each other until reaching the level cap.

[true_shinken]

Wait, so doesn't that mean you can:
1) Gather 100 sp.
2) Find another beggar.
3) "Beg" it back and forth between each other until reaching the level cap.

And they say beggars can't be choosers... /drumstunt

[Lord Raziere]

It still is; we're all rolling our characters.

eleven pages and you are still making your characters? :smalleek:

FATAL lives up to its name doesn't it?

[Hand_of_Vecna]

So who's gonna run this thing?

[warmachine]

I don't study medieval history as I regard it as a dark age from which virtually nothing can be learned but even I know serfs are below free peasants. That single fact alone makes a lie of FATAL's historical and mythological accuracy. I don't think FATAL has a single redeeming feature. Not one.

[Randalor]

It's a good argument for mandatory psychological tests?

[Mongoose87]

Wait, so doesn't that mean you can:
1) Gather 100 sp.
2) Find another beggar.
3) "Beg" it back and forth between each other until reaching the level cap.

With the assumption that your GM should take pity in you for playing FATAL, I suspect he will allow this, so you can sooner access the game-breaking 20th level beggar ability to beg the universe to put itself out of its misery.

[Fawkes]

Seriously, the character rolling and new game needs its own thread, instead of just hijacking Dust's.

[Salbazier]

I don't study medieval history as I regard it as a dark age from which virtually nothing can be learned but even I know serfs are below free peasants. That single fact alone makes a lie of FATAL's historical and mythological accuracy. I don't think FATAL has a single redeeming feature. Not one.

Well, its not my favorite age to be lived, but IMO there's quite a bunch that can be learned from it. I've heard that 'dark age' is misnomer that slapped on it (or period after medieval, not sure here) to contrast the 'light' of the renaissance. Anyway, Serf indeed are not free. And there's no slave in the medieval, as far as I know.

[Ormur]

I don't study medieval history as I regard it as a dark age from which virtually nothing can be learned but even I know serfs are below free peasants. That single fact alone makes a lie of FATAL's historical and mythological accuracy. I don't think FATAL has a single redeeming feature. Not one.

But, but, the middle ages were a thousand year era of very differing characteristics of of which only the first part can be termed "the dark ages" with revolutionary changes that shaped modern European society towards the end.

That however just makes FATAL's confusion of the ancient world slavery and a high- and late middle age serfdom even worse. Not to mention towns ruled by the middle class where where people went to stop being serfs.

It might not have improved it's realism but the game would also at least have been less harmful to ones sanity if the creators had used a book on medieval cooking instead of prostitution as it's sole historical reference.

[Thurbane]

Can I port over my Spawn of Fashan character to this campaign? :smallbiggrin:

[The Glyphstone]

I don't study medieval history as I regard it as a dark age from which virtually nothing can be learned but even I know serfs are below free peasants. That single fact alone makes a lie of FATAL's historical and mythological accuracy. I don't think FATAL has a single redeeming feature. Not one.

It makes other games look better by comparison?

[Terraoblivion]

Not to mention that common concepts of serfdom are largely based on Eastern Europe in the 18th century and not on the actual middle ages.

[DragoonWraith]

Not to mention that common concepts of serfdom are largely based on Eastern Europe in the 18th century and not on the actual middle ages.
Robots! Yes? I think so.

[Realms of Chaos]

Even though the thread has moved on from the discussion of FATAL's actual mechanics, there's one thing that I thought to add.

Looking through this thread, I see a pretty obvious solution to at least one glaring problem in the game that would likely appeal to Mr. Hall's apparent desire for both realism and overcomplication.

What if instead of being forced to gain XP according to your class, you instead gained separate XP totals for each class that you meet the prerequisites to join. In short, a clerk could become a bandit (the class) by actually acting like a bandit and earning XP that way. Similarly, a mage who idiotically starts cutting people's hair for too long would become a barber.

Instead of making the XP system extremely stingy, you'd get XP for practically every big action you take but it would still take awhile before the XP you gain towards any single class is enough to level. It even seems a bit realistic as a clerk typically doesn't become a bandit by continuing his work as a clerk for 83 years.

This does nothing to remedy the other numerous problems but would make it possible for almost any group in existance to actually PLAY the game and level up in time, facing off against the challenges put forth against them rather than the difficulties put forth by a few unlucky rolls at the start of the game. It might require a few rule rewrites (such as magical scrolls the literate could use to gain XP as a mage) but it might make the game a bit more bearable.

[Connington]

I appreciate the utter brokenness of the XP system. It helps keep the foolhardy from attempting to play the game, which would inevitably lead to a string of failed SAN checks, sane class progression or no.

[Yuki Akuma]

Seriously, the character rolling and new game needs its own thread, instead of just hijacking Dust's.

I don't think making another thread about FATAL is a good idea.

Dust can still post his campaign log in here and we'll all enjoy it, you know...

[Coidzor]

I don't think making another thread about FATAL is a good idea.

Dust can still post his campaign log in here and we'll all enjoy it, you know...

Except they didn't have the heart and/or cojones to continue. :smallfrown:

[YPU]

Except they didn't have the heart and/or cojones to continue. :smallfrown:

You forgot sanity.

[Yuki Akuma]

Except they didn't have the heart and/or cojones to continue. :smallfrown:

...He still has two sessions he already played he can post, you know.

[Coidzor]

...He still has two sessions he already played he can post, you know.

huh. I thought they only had played 2 sessions with another character-gen session before that and we'd already heard all he wanted/found interesting of those two sessions. Or at least we got the highlights of what happened in the first one.

Or was that story just how they all ended up together before the game began?


You forgot sanity.

Sanity is not required. Maybe for writing up the posts for here, but not for playing the game.

[YPU]

Sanity is not required. Maybe for writing up the posts for here, but not for playing the game.

You funny man, there is no sanity here.

But on a more serious note, this system makes you roll 6d10 to see if your a freak of nature? That seems somewhat realistic, or something pretending to be realistic.
Yet on the other hand we have all these outrageous statistic for all sorts of things with the characters.
does not compute?

[Coidzor]

You funny man, there is no sanity here.

But on a more serious note, this system makes you roll 6d10 to see if your a freak of nature? That seems somewhat realistic, or something pretending to be realistic.
Yet on the other hand we have all these outrageous statistic for all sorts of things with the characters.
does not compute?

Yes, because it's just broken. That's like saying a broken string will cause a logic fault in a computer rather than a reading error.

[Mongoose87]

Even though the thread has moved on from the discussion of FATAL's actual mechanics, there's one thing that I thought to add.

Looking through this thread, I see a pretty obvious solution to at least one glaring problem in the game that would likely appeal to Mr. Hall's apparent desire for both realism and overcomplication.

What if instead of being forced to gain XP according to your class, you instead gained separate XP totals for each class that you meet the prerequisites to join. In short, a clerk could become a bandit (the class) by actually acting like a bandit and earning XP that way. Similarly, a mage who idiotically starts cutting people's hair for too long would become a barber.

Instead of making the XP system extremely stingy, you'd get XP for practically every big action you take but it would still take awhile before the XP you gain towards any single class is enough to level. It even seems a bit realistic as a clerk typically doesn't become a bandit by continuing his work as a clerk for 83 years.

This does nothing to remedy the other numerous problems but would make it possible for almost any group in existance to actually PLAY the game and level up in time, facing off against the challenges put forth against them rather than the difficulties put forth by a few unlucky rolls at the start of the game. It might require a few rule rewrites (such as magical scrolls the literate could use to gain XP as a mage) but it might make the game a bit more bearable.

Did you just try to homebrew a fix for FATAL?

[Yuki Akuma]

You funny man, there is no sanity here.

But on a more serious note, this system makes you roll 6d10 to see if your a freak of nature? That seems somewhat realistic, or something pretending to be realistic.
Yet on the other hand we have all these outrageous statistic for all sorts of things with the characters.
does not compute?

A broken clock is still right twice a day.

[Coidzor]

Did you just try to homebrew a fix for FATAL?

Well, we've all made silly mistakes before.

[Zeta Kai]

Did you just try to homebrew a fix for FATAL?

If you fixed all the flaws in FATAL, then you wouldn't be playing the same game. At all. The copious, egregious, odious errors are the game's defining trait. It's like D&D without combat, M&M without superheroes, CoC without horror, or WoD without angst.

[Eldan]

I remember at least someone describing a pretty pulpy, up-beat WoD campaign on these forums, actually.

But yeah, there wouldn't be much left. And have fun redoing the statistics.

[Oracle_Hunter]

I remember at least someone describing a pretty pulpy, up-beat WoD campaign on these forums, actually.

But yeah, there wouldn't be much left. And have fun redoing the statistics.
Hey, I just found a fixed version of FATAL.

It's called Burning Wheel (http://www.burningwheel.org/) :smalltongue:

[2xMachina]

I remember at least someone describing a pretty pulpy, up-beat WoD campaign on these forums, actually.

But yeah, there wouldn't be much left. And have fun redoing the statistics.

Hmm, would like to see that WoD campaign.

[Yuki Akuma]

Hmm, would like to see that WoD campaign.

It's called 'the entire Changeling: the Dreaming gameline'.

[Morty]

I never got this "WoD=wangst" angle. Even in case of Vampire: The Masquerade, a transformation from a weak, squishy human into an immortal predator with supernatural powers is a step up in my books. Other systems are even better in this regard.

[Oracle_Hunter]

I never got this "WoD=wangst" angle. Even in case of Vampire: The Masquerade, a transformation from a weak, squishy human into an immortal predator with supernatural powers is a step up in my books. Other systems are even better in this regard.
It's the morality system.

The Humanity System means spending every waking moment fighting against your inner Beast while watching your morality trickle down the tubes every time you feed. Whenever you successfully pass a Humanity Check, you are literally angsting about your life; when you fail you just say "screw it, I'm evil."

Werewolf & Mage had much less of this. Wraith had much, much more :smalltongue:

[Morty]

It's the morality system.

The Humanity System means spending every waking moment fighting against your inner Beast while watching your morality trickle down the tubes every time you feed. Whenever you successfully pass a Humanity Check, you are literally angsting about your life; when you fail you just say "screw it, I'm evil."

Werewolf & Mage had much less of this. Wraith had much, much more :smalltongue:

Yeah, I know where it comes from. I was joking because even with this sort of thing being the hunter instead of the hunted has its perks.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Actually I had a friend who applied xp rules like that in 2ED&D back when the big four all had ways to get extra xp. I actually used it in a 0-level 3rd ed game. I based it on type rather than class so fighter means fighter, barbarian, ranger etc.

Monster killing and Story Awards: Apply to any class the player wants.

Fighter: Gains normal xp for any monsters they kill themselves (required some judgement calls on what constituted killing it themselves when casters are involved) in addition to their share xp from the fight as a whole.

Casters: Got xp for casting (we eventualy had to put some additional limitations on this. Wizards got xp for learning spells.

Rouges: got xp for sneaking and based on value of things stolen.

There was more than this but it was kinda involved and got heavily reworked over time as abuses were found but, it was heavily enjoyed by all involved. The game was also a limited gestalt where you advanced seperately in differant classes based on the xp you earned and treated multiclassing like gestalt.

[SlightlyEvil]

WMG theory: The Exalted Games of Divinity are actually a game of FATAL, and all the Incarnae had the bad luck of rolling Clerks as their class.

Mr. Glyphstone, consider yourself sig'd.

[The Glyphstone]

Mr. Glyphstone, consider yourself sig'd.

:)
need moar text

[Worira]

It's the morality system.

The Humanity System means spending every waking moment fighting against your inner Beast while watching your morality trickle down the tubes every time you feed. Whenever you successfully pass a Humanity Check, you are literally angsting about your life; when you fail you just say "screw it, I'm evil."

Werewolf & Mage had much less of this. Wraith had much, much more :smalltongue:

I have a strong urge to create a character optimized for being a nice guy.

[Mongoose87]

I have a strong urge to create a character optimized for being a nice guy.

Just don't waste your build when you roll up an evil character.

[Bharg]

So the thread is dead - finally. I hope Dust will be able to update soon. :smallconfused: