Balain
2010-05-27, 10:49 PM
We have been playing an ongoing campaign for some time. 4E was new to all of us and figured we'd give it a good go of it. For the most part we like the rules. We have run into a couple of spots where we ran into issues.
The first was surprise rounds. The rules take into account being sneaky and hiding. Then the monsters get a perception check to see if they react that round. That's fine. The problem comes up when it's not so much sneaky as a surprise. So one character can teleport. He was totally out of sight and the monsters all distracted. He wanted to teleport to a corner that he could see and blast the monsters.
He thought he should get a free attack. Which I could somewhat see. But the other point we pointed out was, imagine in this room we are all debating the rules for this game and someone just appeared and blasted. Some of us would react and some wouldn't. So We agreed to disagree and he makes hide checks and monsters get a perception check with modifiers. This seems to be okay but I feel there might be a better way to handle such examples. So any ideas?
One character also wanted to make a called shot. Hit a large war horn out of an ogre's hand. The only thing we could find was a chart in DMG for modifiers to skills/attacks. we could have sworn there were more detailed rules on called shots somewhere?
The one other problem was during a fight that happened both in and out of a building. The rules say that windows give superior cover. I get this but with the gaze attack the monster was next to the window and had line of sight to 1/2 the party. So we went with gaze attack in that situation had no cover. Should windows grant superior cover when the creature gazing is adjacent to the window?
The first was surprise rounds. The rules take into account being sneaky and hiding. Then the monsters get a perception check to see if they react that round. That's fine. The problem comes up when it's not so much sneaky as a surprise. So one character can teleport. He was totally out of sight and the monsters all distracted. He wanted to teleport to a corner that he could see and blast the monsters.
He thought he should get a free attack. Which I could somewhat see. But the other point we pointed out was, imagine in this room we are all debating the rules for this game and someone just appeared and blasted. Some of us would react and some wouldn't. So We agreed to disagree and he makes hide checks and monsters get a perception check with modifiers. This seems to be okay but I feel there might be a better way to handle such examples. So any ideas?
One character also wanted to make a called shot. Hit a large war horn out of an ogre's hand. The only thing we could find was a chart in DMG for modifiers to skills/attacks. we could have sworn there were more detailed rules on called shots somewhere?
The one other problem was during a fight that happened both in and out of a building. The rules say that windows give superior cover. I get this but with the gaze attack the monster was next to the window and had line of sight to 1/2 the party. So we went with gaze attack in that situation had no cover. Should windows grant superior cover when the creature gazing is adjacent to the window?