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Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-28, 03:39 AM
yep, I know...blaster wizard it´s not an optimized idea, but my friend just wants to nuke things out XD
she´s a elf wizard 5 / mage of the arcane order 10 / elemental savant 10
..so, 9 level feats, 1 from wizard, 2 from MotAO...

im looking for feats suggestions....only core, complete series, races of the x series, libris mortis + frostburn sandstorm stormwrack...also, NO EPIC (its banned)

i was thinking about something like this:
1. energy substitution
2. cooperative spells,
3. arcane thesis (orb of x),
4. energy admixture,
5. empower spell
6. quicken spell
7. sculpt Spell
8. enervate spell
9. residual magic
10. twin spell
11. cloudy conjuration or fell drain
12. flybyattack

also, any suggestion about what class take next

thanks in advance

Jair Barik
2010-05-28, 03:50 AM
You might want to go for a Maximise Spell somewhere in there. Its pretty good as far as metamagic goes. Also might be helpful to know what elemental she is going for cause recommending movement based feats for example is a moot point if she is taking air elemental (in my opinion the obviouschoice)

Beelzebub1111
2010-05-28, 04:23 AM
You might want to go for a Maximise Spell somewhere in there. Its pretty good as far as metamagic goes. Also might be helpful to know what elemental she is going for cause recommending movement based feats for example is a moot point if she is taking air elemental (in my opinion the obviouschoice)

Maximize is a bit high of a bump for not that much benefit, better to get it as a metamagic rod.

AslanCross
2010-05-28, 04:51 AM
Empower's more worth it than Maximize for the most part. Get the reserve feats from Complete Mage so you can keep blasting.

Critical
2010-05-28, 06:24 AM
You're doing it wrong. Just go Incantrix and soak up the win.

EDIT: Oh, no Faerun availible... :smallfrown: Pity. Anyway, I think MotAO isn't a choice for a blaster. Go Wild Mage instead, it's both more fun and effective.
EDITEDIT: Ultimate Magus is a solid replacement for Incantrix.

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-28, 11:43 AM
she must be wizard, and the 10 levels of MoAO can´t be changed, because of roleplaying issues...but maybe, MAYBE, she could take ultimate magus instead elemental savant

so, something like...wizard 4/sorcerer 1 / ultimate magus 10/ MoAO 10 ??

Machiavellian
2010-05-28, 11:47 AM
I actually suggest Wu Jen over Wizard first and foremost (wcs, next time)

Second, if you absolutely MUST be a wizard, I suggest being a Focused Evoker and taking the Master Specialist (?) PrC, then capping off with Archmage

Third, Reserve Feats are your friend. Save a 9th level cold spell for instance, BAM, you've got a 9d6 Cone of Cold that never runs dry.

-Machiavellian-
"Better to be feared than loved"

CockroachTeaParty
2010-05-28, 11:50 AM
MotAO isn't really a good blasting prc, both thematically and mechanically. It's the problem solver's class, the generalist who wants access to as wide a pool of spells as possible. A blaster is going to be focused enough that this shouldn't be an issue.

Interestingly, an ultimate magus favoring warmage would be an interesting blaster, using the wizard slots to fuel metamagic. Such a character could be tossing around heavily metamagic'd orb spells well before they would otherwise be possible.

Machiavellian
2010-05-28, 11:51 AM
MotAO isn't really a good blasting prc, both thematically and mechanically. It's the problem solver's class, the generalist who wants access to as wide a pool of spells as possible. A blaster is going to be focused enough that this shouldn't be an issue.

Interestingly, an ultimate magus favoring warmage would be an interesting blaster, using the wizard slots to fuel metamagic. Such a character could be tossing around heavily metamagic'd orb spells well before they would otherwise be possible.

I like this option, with the statements above. Be more Warmage than Wizard, using MotAO for the Warmage levels and then polishing off as I said above

Foryn Gilnith
2010-05-28, 12:05 PM
Searing Spell (Sandstorm, I think) is useful for bypassing immunities.

Optimystik
2010-05-28, 12:11 PM
What alignment is your party? Consecrate Spell and Purify Spell (BoED) are great MMs for a good blaster in a good party.

- Consecrate Spell turns half of your spell's damage to divine (read: untyped - cannot be resisted or blocked via any energy immunity.)
- Purify Spell makes your spell do zero damage to good creatures and half damage to neutrals, with extra damage to evil ones (increasing the size of the damage die.)

The Exalted Arcanist PrC for sorcerers gets the ability to add both of these metamagics for free, as well as learning a bunch of extra spells known.

Amphetryon
2010-05-28, 12:15 PM
You might find the Mailman build in the Surrealdex interesting research for this.

Curmudgeon
2010-05-28, 12:49 PM
Searing Spell (Sandstorm, I think) is useful for bypassing immunities.
What Searing Spell does for fire, Piercing Cold (from Frostburn) does for cold. You can use Energy Substitution to turn any spell with an energy descriptor to the type you need (fire or cold) and then add the appropriate booster feat. I'd recommend going with cold anyway, because fewer creatures have cold than fire immunity and 100% damage is better than 50% for those normally immune.

AstralFire
2010-05-28, 12:50 PM
Searing Spell and Piercing Cold both pair very well with Consecrate Spell, making it kind of a moot point. (And if you can only get one, I'd go with Consecrate.)

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-28, 04:16 PM
MotAO isn't really a good blasting prc, both thematically and mechanically. It's the problem solver's class, the generalist who wants access to as wide a pool of spells as possible. A blaster is going to be focused enough that this shouldn't be an issue.

Interestingly, an ultimate magus favoring warmage would be an interesting blaster, using the wizard slots to fuel metamagic. Such a character could be tossing around heavily metamagic'd orb spells well before they would otherwise be possible.


isn´t sorcerer better than warmage? I mean, no time stop, shapechange and stuff

..in any case, i dont think she has the stat bonus to master 2 caster clases...her scores are: str 10, dex 16, con 14, int 22, wis 12, car 12
maybe shifting dex to int, and int to car

also, no BoED

i checked the mailman, and got some ideas from there too...if she takes the sorcerer/ wizard/ ultimate magus route

taltamir
2010-05-28, 04:21 PM
a blaster wizard is not the BEST wizard, but its still a wizard! And you can optimize it to be quite powerful (or you can misuse it and have it suck... don't misuse it)

expect to be the one to slaughter everything...

Force missile mage (PRC) or plain old metamagic reduction (ab)use are the ways to go...

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 04:20 PM
well, just like i said, the character must be a wizard and must have 10 levels of MotAO...and i want it to have 2 levels of archmage, for mastery of shaping and mastery of elements...this is the current build:


25 levels:
wizard 3 / sorcerer 2 (in place of warmage´s limited spell list)/ MotAO 10 / archmage 2 / ultimate magus 8
the idea is to have spells knows like a wizard 20, plus some sorcerers spell to fuel the metamagic ability from ultimate magus...

9 level feats + 1 feat (MotAO) + 2 (UM) =12 feats

must take cooperative spells, skill focus spellcraft, spell focus (conjuration), spell focus (something)= 4 feats

8 remaining feats:
quicken, empower, twin, enervate, residual metamagic, arcane thesis orb of cold...maybe rapid spell, or practiced spellcaster?

any sugestion?

edit: fixed

Olo Demonsbane
2010-05-31, 04:42 PM
If you take Practiced Spellcaster (Sorcerer) at 3rd level or so, it will let you advance Wizard with the entirety of UM:

Wizard 4/Sorcerer 1/UM 10/MotAO 8/Archmage 2

Greenish
2010-05-31, 04:46 PM
well, just like i said, the character must be a wizard and must have 10 levels of MotAO...and i want it to have 2 levels of archmage, for mastery of shaping and mastery of elements...this is the current build:

25 levels:
wizard 3 / sorcerer 2 (in place of warmage´s limited spell list)/ MotAO 8 / archmage 2 / ultimate magus 10I spy with my little eye that your very own build lacks the requisite ten levels of MotAO. :smallamused:

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 05:34 PM
OMG you´r right...

fixed =P

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 05:51 PM
If you take Practiced Spellcaster (Sorcerer) at 3rd level or so, it will let you advance Wizard with the entirety of UM:

Wizard 4/Sorcerer 1/UM 10/MotAO 8/Archmage 2

but i dont want to take the wizards spellcasting beyond level 20 (cause i dont get more spells per day)...isnt better to level up sorcerer casting instead? (and get more spells)
in you build, i get 24 wizard caster levels and 8 sorcerer CL (plus practiced spellcaster)

besides, orbs, fireballs and that kind of stuff have a maximum of damage, so caster level dont really matter, right?

Endarire
2010-05-31, 05:54 PM
The Mailman (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19868534/The_Mailman:_A_Direct_Damage_Sorcerer) is a Sorcerer, but similar tactics apply. No wings of cover or wings of flurry, but you can get similar effects via the level 9 spell maw of chaos (Spell Compendium 140).

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 06:04 PM
no spell compendium :(

in the other hand, i can get wing of cover and wing of flurry with the sorcerer side...and they are in the races of dragon, so its allowed material

Il_Vec
2010-05-31, 06:21 PM
Caster level matters for duration, range and CL checks.

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 07:58 PM
yeah, but damage spells are instantaneous anyway, range is covered with some long-distance spells...and caster level checks? i can only think about the one to by pass spell resistance, and thats not relevant with the orbs

something i am missing?

(i can take practiced spellcaster if necessary)

Thurbane
2010-05-31, 09:34 PM
If you're regularly blasting one particular type of creature, Bane Magic (HoH) isn't too bad - adds 2d6 to the damage of the spell against a particular type. The Sorc in my party uses it to good effect, turning his 0 level Disrupt Undead into a 3d6 ranged touch attack against undead (current campaign is extremely undead heavy).

Never mind, just read list of allowed books.

Amphetryon
2010-05-31, 09:42 PM
Needs more Fell Drain.

Mugiwara Luffy
2010-05-31, 11:13 PM
have 2 remaning feats

im between energy substitution (not so necesary with archmage´s mastery of elements) + energy admixture, or fell drain plus....something else, like cloudy conjuration (sickened + negative level is nice)