LA and monsterHD on 1 side of gestalt?

[Escheton]

Looking at the UA entry and I see nothing about doing so yet I have seen several build on this forum do so. Was that homebrew then?
If not, source anyone?

[Flickerdart]

LA and RHD are replacement for class levels, and so behave like any other class levels when subjected to Gestalt. There is nothing to contradict this interpretation, and it actually makes LA/RHD races worth using.

[DragoonWraith]

RHD/LA are levels, just like class levels. Class levels go on one side, why wouldn't RHD/LA?

[Jack_Simth]

Looking at the UA entry and I see nothing about doing so yet I have seen several build on this forum do so. Was that homebrew then?
If not, source anyone?LA/RHD are not directly addressed by the Gestalt rules. Any particular set of interpretations on how they interact are up to your DM.

That said, *most* DM's will treat LA and RHD exactly the same way as class levels, so they take up one side of the gestalt. This is the most common method of handling it, and is generally accepted as the method for doing so.

However, not all DM's go that route. See, while the Elf Cleric-10/Paladin-10 isn't a bad build, it's only marginally stranger than an Elf Cleric-10 (about CR 11 or 12). When you compare it to, say, a Cleric-10//Half-dragon-3/Phrenic-2/Drow-2/Paladin-3, however, you quickly realize that the CR is a lot higher - Drow is +1 CR, Phrenic is about +1 CR, Half-Dragon is about +1 CR - more AC, more damage, more skills, better to-hit, better saves, more spells, higher spell save DC, plus more racial abilities (by a lot) - you're looking at a CR 13 or 14. Stacking templates can very quickly make for a much stronger character than class levels - because keeping regular class levels on one side of the build removes most of the costs of LA (HP and saves)

[Escheton]

well, you take a lvl of gestalt which has lines on how it is filled in.
Being that you take certain aspects of 2 classes and mix and max for best result.
I still don't get the reasoning that LA and racial hitdie fit anywhere in there.
There is also the fast improving CR of your char.

[AstralFire]

LA and RHD don't fit on one side of gestalt. But they definitely don't fit on two sides, either - most things with LA suck beyond usability in normal rules, enforcing that in Gestalt is ick.

[DragoonWraith]

RHD and LA are both vastly inferior to class levels. Why do you have a problem with players taking the opportunity to nerf themselves less than they would in a normal game?

[Riffington]

LA/RHD are not directly addressed by the Gestalt rules. Any particular set of interpretations on how they interact are up to your DM.

This.
The closest reading of RAW would have LA add to ECL, and forbid creatures with RHD (since Gestalt permits only standard classes and prestige classes). This interpretation is a little unfair, however.
For most classes and most races, allowing ECL/RHD on only one side is the closest to balanced. This can be abused, of course - a full caster with awesome stats is likely to be overpowered.

[Jack_Simth]

RHD and LA are both vastly inferior to class levels. Why do you have a problem with players taking the opportunity to nerf themselves less than they would in a normal game?
If they parallel class levels (LA on one side, an actual class on the other), then they can get quite strong: Take, say:
Sorcerer-15//Phrenic-2/Ghost-5/Evolved Undead-3/Monk-2/Paladin-2/Pious Templar-1; relevant feats (not including requirements): Ascetic Knight, Ascetic Mage. Full Spellcasting (Charisma), Charisma to AC twice, Charisma to saves, Evasion, Mettle, a +14 racial bonus to Charisma, fast healing, rejuvination, and a few other nifties. Oh yes, and all d12 hit dice, with no Con score to worry about. Sacred Vow and Vow of Poverty would go well - no equipment dependency. Oh yes, and if Sorcerer is a favored class, no need to worry about the multiclass XP penalty - all classes other than Sorcerer are within one level of each other.

Now, you can get builds that are really bad without LA shenanigans (Sorcerer-15//Paladin of Tyranny-2/Monk-2/Hexblade-3/Arane Duelist-2/Blackguard-6: Charisma to AC twice, saves three times, evasion and mettle), but it's much trickier (and that beast isn't nearly as impressive of a spellcaster).

[Optimystik]

I would have no problem allowing RHD+LA on one side of a Gestalt. Template-stacking, however, seems unbalanced.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

but it's much trickier (and that beast isn't nearly as impressive of a spellcaster).bah, add in a full divine casting casting side rather than that templated side. It isn't hard

Are we of the opinion that RHDx/LAx // class levels is more fair than RHD/class levels // LA/class levels ?

[Flickerdart]

You have more to be afraid of from a Wizard 20//Factotum 20 than you do from any number of templates.

[Eldan]

Well... Ethergaunt/Factotum?
It's epic, sure, but better than an actual wizard.