Roy+Belkar vs Enor and Ganji

[homeosapiens]

Well the topic explains a lot of what i want to be here. Do you think it's even? Estimate stats, levels? Explain every guess.

My thoughts:
Enor is for sure stronger than Roy - Str is probalby his best stat + half ogre + half dragon-
in case its ogre with half dragon template its:
* +10 Strength, -2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, -4 Intelligence, -4 Charisma.
* Large size. -1 penalty to Armor Class, -1 penalty on attack rolls, -4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters.
* Space/Reach: 10 feet/10 feet.
* An ogre’s base land speed is 40 feet.
* Darkvision out to 60 feet.
* Racial Hit Dice: An ogre begins with four levels of giant, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +3, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +4, Ref +1, and Will +1.
* Racial Skills: An ogre’s giant levels give it skill points equal to 7 × (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Climb, Listen, and Spot.
* Racial Feats: An ogre’s giant levels give it two feats.
* Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An ogre is automatically proficient with simple weapons, martial weapons, light and medium armor, and shields.
* +5 natural armor bonus.
* Automatic Languages: Common, Giant. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Orc, Goblin, Terran.
* Favored Class: Barbarian.
* Level adjustment +2.
+
The creature’s type changes to dragon. Size is unchanged. Do not recalculate base attack bonus or saves.
Hit Dice

Increase base creature’s racial HD by one die size, to a maximum of d12. Do not increase class HD.
Speed

A half-dragon that is Large or larger has wings and can fly at twice its base land speed (maximum 120 ft.) with average maneuverability. A half-dragon that is Medium or smaller does not have wings.
Armor Class

Natural armor improves by +4.
Attack

A half-dragon has two claw attacks and a bite attack, and the claws are the primary natural weapon. If the base creature can use weapons, the half-dragon retains this ability. A half-dragon fighting without weapons uses a claw when making an attack action. When it has a weapon, it usually uses the weapon instead.
Full Attack

A half-dragon fighting without weapons uses both claws and its bite when making a full attack. If armed with a weapon, it usually uses the weapon as its primary attack and its bite as a natural secondary attack. If it has a hand free, it uses a claw as an additional natural secondary attack.
Damage

Half-dragons have bite and claw attacks. If the base creature does not have these attack forms, use the damage values in the table below. Otherwise, use the values below or the base creature’s damage values, whichever are greater.
Special Attacks

A half-dragon retains all the special attacks of the base creature and gains a breath weapon based on the dragon variety (see table), usable once per day. A half-dragon’s breath weapon deals 6d8 points of damage. A successful Reflex save (DC 10 + ½ half-dragon’s racial HD + half-dragon’s Con modifier) reduces damage by half.
Special Qualities

A half-dragon has all the special qualities of the base creature, plus darkvision out to 60 feet and low-light vision. A half-dragon has immunity to sleep and paralysis effects, and an additional immunity based on its dragon variety.
Abilities

Increase from the base creature as follows: Str +8, Con +2, Int +2, Cha +2.
Skills

A half-dragon gains skill points as a dragon and has skill points equal to (6 + Int modifier) × (HD + 3). Do not include Hit Dice from class levels in this calculation—the half-dragon gains dragon skill points only for its racial Hit Dice, and gains the normal amount of skill points for its class levels. Treat skills from the base creature’s list as class skills, and other skills as cross-class.
Environment

Same as either the base creature or the dragon variety.
Challenge Rating

Same as the base creature + 2 (minimum 3).
Alignment

Same as the dragon variety.
Level Adjustment

Same as base creature +3.

That gives him +18 to str/+6con, 4 levels of giant,+4/1/1 ro, +2 bab(+3-1),+8 armor(+9-1,for natural armor only!)+4d10 giant levels hp and wings.
If we estimate him as say lv 10 fighter, Roy is screved 1v1. He can win only by clever tricks or sth, becouse lv 10 fighter with those racial traits would have 13/8/3 bab, sth like 28 armor(+2 plate?), and deal damage with two handed attack like 2d8+21(str bonus[could be 20 base+10 ogre+8half dragon])+weapon bonus+feat bonus+power attack(he doesnt need bab to hit with this kind of str),+specialisation...

Does seem deadly...

[Nave Senrag]

Woah, dude you need to chill out, you put way too much thought into this. Kudos on working hard to figure something out that will probably happen in a couple strips though.

[Souhiro]

Well,I'm quite sure that the Belkster and Mr Von Smackhammer will turn the tables.

I mean, I think that Durkon MUST do something! And a moment of Belkar being helpful is just what is needed to earn a bit of trust from Roy

[ocdscale]

Some things to consider:
Why is he statted as an Ogre with the Half-Dragon template instead of a Half-Ogre with the Half-Dragon template?
And there's little reason, as far as I know, to assume he has 10 class levels.

[homeosapiens]

Well to get 16 ecl he would need to be 10 or 11 lv (i forgot if lv adjustment goes with multiplication or just add one to the second, but i think the first). Our party is about 15lv, so to win 2 vs 3 they should gennerally be higher, and 16 is as low higher as you can get.

Everything has to have one basic creature type, you cant be nothing with two templates on it(i thnik). That+i can't find half ogre in SRD, and Rich gennerally doesnt try to use overly complicated stuff. He said he is half ogre half dragon, but it fits well if hes ogre with half dragon template - template makes him half ogre.

In the discussion thread guys are thinking Roy will be thwacking, and my point is "no he wont!". Human fighers suck vs half dragon (half?)ogre fighters.

Durkon would of couse change everything, cause we already know that Enors saves are bad, but that's not main point of the topic. Durkon is regaining spells and fight is happening now.

[LOTRfan]

Why is he statted as an Ogre with the Half-Dragon template instead of a Half-Ogre with the Half-Dragon template?

The Half-Ogre from Savage Species? Because they are referred to as half-ogre, half-human. A Half-Ogre with the Half-Dragon template would be quarter dragon, quarter human, and half dragon, wouldn't he be?

[Leecros]

the simple fact that Durkon can heal gives the good guys a distinct advantage...

[Duaneyo1]

Enor does not have to be an ECL 16 character. Although there is no evidence either way, it is likely that he is a lower level. Enor will still be tough in a one on one fight, not so much for Ganji. Since he is either a rogue or a rogue mix, he isn't going to be very effective in a 2 vs. 2. Belkar should be able to handle him easily.

[RndmNumGen]

Considering Ganji got freaked out when Elan and co walked through the blade barrier and lived, and Elan would probably have less HP than a fighter, I would save half-ogre half-dragon or not, Roy has a good chance of taking him.

[Ancalagon]

Woah, dude you need to chill out, you put way too much thought into this. Kudos on working hard to figure something out that will probably happen in a couple strips though.

I think the assumptions are half-way correct. I'm not sure about the 10 class levels but the two bounty hunters seem pretty powerful. So it is very possible they have 8 or 12 class levels.

But do not forget they were heavily buffed with potions for the fight with Haley/Elan/Vaarsuvius (they complained about not getting that price back).

So, in the end, I would not assume 10 classlevels. More like 5ish, maybe UP to nearly 10.

[homeosapiens]

Still we see Elan hit Enor and he gets scratched just a little bit and doesn't even say "ouch" or sth. that would fit very well if he had 10 fighter levels and 4 giant ones - 10+13k10 hp +con(around 20, so+5)+ plot wise we see what's he's role.

As i said before we consider the fight without Durkon interference - if he comes no matter how strong Enor and Ganjji are, they lose(D. shall not fall to poison i think).

Also - Enor could probably easyly grapple Roy, fly high with him, and send him back to dad(which if is going to happen i am gonna find Rich and get my revenge ;) )

About the belt - we dont know if Enor doesn't have one. Well i would buy one in his position, but OOTSverse is strange in those things.

[Knaight]

Still we see Elan hit Enor and he gets scratched just a little bit and doesn't even say "ouch" or sth. that would fit very well if he had 10 fighter levels and 4 giant ones - 10+13k10 hp +con(around 20, so+5)+ plot wise we see what's he's role.

It also implied Enor not understanding the pun, and thus voiding pun based damage, which is the only reason Elan is actually capable of injuring someone meaningfully to begin with.

[homeosapiens]

I wouldnt assume the pun based damage didnt work - Elan did hit both times and he did damage. Enor just said that "its not enough" by saying that. Becouse what? +10 damage or +14 or even 16 damage gonna do what?Nothing! Fighter type guy with those racial traits has around 200 hp at lv 10.

[HandofShadows]

One thing that has to be recalled in a fight with Roy is that he has a Belt of Giants Strength on now.

[Gitman00]

Everything has to have one basic creature type, you cant be nothing with two templates on it(i thnik). That+i can't find half ogre in SRD, and Rich gennerally doesnt try to use overly complicated stuff. He said he is half ogre half dragon, but it fits well if hes ogre with half dragon template - template makes him half ogre.

Not so. By RAW, you can apply as many templates as you want. That's the joke. If you want to be a half-ogre, half-dragon, half-devil, half-vampire, you can do it. Obviously no sane DM would allow this, but according to RAW, it is possible. I would say Enor has both the half-ogre and half-dragon templates. Also, Rich has used a half-ogre before (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0216.html).

[The Pilgrim]

Anyway, Ganji and Enor are likely to flee if things get ugly, and I'm pretty sure Ganjii has plenty tricks up his sleeve for a sucessfull instant vanishment.

[homeosapiens]

That wasn't my point. I know many templates can be used, but on what you use those templates? If u use half dragon and half ogre, what's the base creature? Human? Elf? We have nothing to prove it.

[Niveus Candidus]

When was the last time we saw the order win a stand up fight? As Elan said, "We mostly run away or have mixed victories."


They're lead by a Tier 5 party member with higher soft stats then their wizard
Their general spell selection is subpar, bordering on pitiful
5 out of 6 of them have been soloed by a Paladin / Monk
Nale gives them difficulties


This isn't an unlimited-source, home campaign with each PC competing for "First to reach Godhood." Our heroes are hapless, it makes the comic better.

[super dark33]

maybe durkon will come and stop the fight before it began,
or enor will figure out that thay just waste more money and will inform ganji
or ganji will see haleys bow and konw he's messing withh general tarquin

[Bongos]

I think Enor and Gannji will be much more interested in simply getting away, after all when one refers to the chart, Roy and Belkar represent 3 pointys and offer no yummies.

Oots will be more interested in capturing vs. killing as these two have information they need. Capturing is often more difficult than killing, especially with Belkar around.

It's an interesting confrontation, however Gannji and Enor already got the drop on Roy with the lightning.

[Knaight]

When was the last time we saw the order win a stand up fight? As Elan said, "We mostly run away or have mixed victories."


They're lead by a Tier 5 party member with higher soft stats then their wizard
Their general spell selection is subpar, bordering on pitiful
5 out of 6 of them have been soloed by a Paladin / Monk
Nale gives them difficulties


This isn't an unlimited-source, home campaign with each PC competing for "First to reach Godhood." Our heroes are hapless, it makes the comic better.
They seem to cut through mooks easily enough, and are well above "standard soldier levels", and we know Ganji and Enor prepared heavily with a lot of one use items to take V, Elan, and Haley. Belkar is known to be a better warrior than Haley, Elan is way behind everyone else in the group, and Roy is far more durable than any of the 3 that were dealt with. Its certainly a winnable battle, though Enor and Ganji could probably run for it successfully, they are able to get on top of buildings easily, Enor is able to fly, and Ganji is probably light enough to carry, so its not an issue. I certainly wouldn't assume Roy and Belkar couldn't win a straight fight.

[Bongos]

You know, I also get the feeling that the Bounty Hunters have been in this type of situation before and have planned for it. So they might have some more surprises.

[Gitman00]

You know, I also get the feeling that the Bounty Hunters have been in this type of situation before and have planned for it. So they might have some more surprises.

I concur. Gannji and Enor aren't interested in this fight, since there's no profit in it, and they're very well-equipped for a fast getaway. Could Roy and Belkar win? Yes, if the other two actually wanted to fight them. As it is though, I think their strategy will be to knock our heroes off balance and split the scene.

[Lupusater]

They seem to cut through mooks easily enough, and are well above "standard soldier levels", and we know Ganji and Enor prepared heavily with a lot of one use items to take V, Elan, and Haley. Belkar is known to be a better warrior than Haley, Elan is way behind everyone else in the group, and Roy is far more durable than any of the 3 that were dealt with. Its certainly a winnable battle, though Enor and Ganji could probably run for it successfully, they are able to get on top of buildings easily, Enor is able to fly, and Ganji is probably light enough to carry, so its not an issue. I certainly wouldn't assume Roy and Belkar couldn't win a straight fight.

You're wrong in assuming they prepped for V, Elan and Haley: they thought of going against the Linear Guild, as presented in the bounty poster. Their preparations were directed against a group of five people, including a demon. We can't make assumptions based on their preparation, since it wasn't geared against the Order.

[silvadel]

I want to see the look on Roy's Father's face when he shows back up on the cloud.

[Knaight]

You're wrong in assuming they prepped for V, Elan and Haley: they thought of going against the Linear Guild, as presented in the bounty poster. Their preparations were directed against a group of five people, including a demon. We can't make assumptions based on their preparation, since it wasn't geared against the Order.

They were prepared in general though. We know they took time to drink a bunch of potions before hand, as well as buying a magical bolt and strength poison. Advantages they don't have in the Roy Belkar fight. Furthermore, we know they saw the three on their own as they initiated the attack, and can assume they figured they had the elven mage, nale, and sabine, which is close enough for similar prep to work.

[homeosapiens]

It also implies that they were ready to risk a fight with three oponents, which were assumed to be rather high level for gold. This means 1. they thought they are going to win and 2. they are motivated by money, with that 3. They can think killing associates of former victims means profit - looting magic items.

They dont know by now who Roy and Belkar are, so it might be enought. I kinda dont understand how they would know that they might be too dagerous for them. "hmm, they have that high level look in their eye's, lets run!"? Joking? Or maybe they should deduce it from how damaged Roy looks like? ...

[factotum]

It also implies that they were ready to risk a fight with three oponents, which were assumed to be rather high level for gold.

They had no reason to assume Nale and his companions were high level--the wanted poster just said "Skilled with sword or magic", but a level 2 Fighter/Mage could be said to be that compared to the average D&D peasant. And, in fact, when the wanted poster was created Nale must have been a much lower level than he is now; that was before the Dungeon of Dorukan, a place where a dozen goblins were considered a challenge for our heroes (and by extension, the Linear Guild also).

[homeosapiens]

Well you might be right, but also you might be wrong - Nale had a deal with Xykon, this means that he saw him, talked to him and probably wasn't in any danger from his minions. He could get levels from when the poster was made, but we can't be certain of it. He fought Tarquin, Malack and Empress back then and stood a chance enought to not be easyly thwarted. Generally in most cases they dont charge 2lv level guys with treason(not saying it's impossible) becouse those guys know it's not their leauge.

[Havelock]

I have the feeling that they'll look for an exit once they see that the lightning bolt didn't have much of an effect on Roy.

[Barlen]

Enor and Ganji don't know they are going up against 2 yet, belkar hasn't revealed himself to be with Roy.

Also, when Haley stepped into the fray after V and Elan were captured (in which only Elan was really able to fight) she deliberately allowed herself to be captured.

Enor vs Elan was never a real match. Enor vs Roy may likely be much different and Belkar isn't the surrendering type so Belkar vs Ganji should be much more interesting.

[homeosapiens]

Nobody considered thought that Belkar is easier to disarm than an average fighter type becouse of his size and Ganji seems good at disarming.

[The Pilgrim]

Nobody considered thought that Belkar is easier to disarm than an average fighter type becouse of his size and Ganji seems good at disarming.

He has to be disarmed twice, and daggers are small and common enough to assume Belkar probably has plenty spare ones (he seemed to have when he fought Miko at Azure City).

[Hardcore]

My bet is that Belkar will not fight! Given the way he behave in the strip I think he will try diplomacy:)

[Orzel]

Nobody considered thought that Belkar is easier to disarm than an average fighter type becouse of his size and Ganji seems good at disarming.

After Ganji disarms, he'll just draw another dagger and attack. OR cheat.
Disarmimg only work on big guys with a single powerful weapon AKA people who are hard to disarm.

[Kareasint]

My bet is that Belkar will not fight! Given the way he behave in the strip I think he will try diplomacy:)

At which point, Roy's brain will explode out his ear.

[homeosapiens]

We have clear evidence that B. has many daggers. I never doubted it.

I just always assumed that as a seasoned warrior he has special two of them used in malee and with some bonuses(+3, or +4 mb, we never saw any special effects). In this case he'll be less effective without them.

Also G. could trip B.

Damn i can't wait for the next strip.

[Hardcore]

Belkar does act smart now and then, and I think this could be such an occasion. Obviosly he has an idea or would not else be so passive. Perhaps he want to play more with the fake growth thing and try diplomacy:)!

[Bongos]

Gannji wth the strength poison for the win! But wait, how would that affect someone with a belt of giant strength? And Belkar might still have a little more time left so he probably isn't gonna get kacked here either.

[Rentok]

Actually, I figure Roy's been blasted out, Belkar's not fighting. I don't think a fight is coming, more likely Enor and Gangi will leave before Roy gets his act together, and Belkar will follow them. Either that or we'll see Belkar beat them both without even paying attention. Why do you assume Roy's fighting Enor? I think Belkar will trounce the big guy, and Roy will beat Gangi in a STR check to disarm.

[homeosapiens]

Actually - no str check there...

[Acero]

People seem to forget that Belkar lost to windstriker.


Half-dragon/half-Ogre > Horse > pyschotic halfling

[VeisuItaTyhjyys]

You forget that comedy > rules = logic, however.

Horse beating PC? Hilarious.

Belkar beating a monster that just kicked Roy's ass? Probably hilarious.

[Kish]

For that matter, why are you assuming Windstriker couldn't defeat the bounty hunter?

[VeisuItaTyhjyys]

Also a pretty solid point. Windstriker seemed more competant than Miko, really.

[Acero]

For that matter, why are you assuming Windstriker couldn't defeat the bounty hunter?

Then we could always refer to size. Guess how that goes?

Enor>Windstriker>Belkar

Its those dang size modifiers to grapple checks!(and im pretty sure Windstriker has some kind of negative modifier due to the lack of thumbs/hands)

Oh, and there's the breath attack

[sum1won]

Then we could always refer to size. Guess how that goes?

Enor>Windstriker>Belkar

Its those dang size modifiers to grapple checks!(and im pretty sure Windstriker has some kind of negative modifier due to the lack of thumbs/hands)

Oh, and there's the breath attack

There is no penalty due to lack of hands. He doesn't get full BAB, being an animal, but thats it.

[Ancalagon]

It's unlikely Windstriker could defeat the bounty hunter in a 1 on 1.

Windstriker is a normal horse with a few special abilities and bonus HD. If we put Miko in the level range of the Order she was level 14/15ish, which results in a Windstriker with +6 or +8 bonus HD.

I find it unlikely that this horse is supposed to be more powerful than a level 14 adventurer. Note Windstriker had a big advantage vs. Belkar (attack from behind... and plot-luck so the fight runs as The Giant has outlined it). I find it unlikely that this horse could defeat the bounty hunter against whom three level 14 adventurers have issues.

I'd like to see how the fight goes now with Roy vs. Hunters when the Hunters' potion-buffs have worn off.

[Ma3lstr0m]

Well to get 16 ecl he would need to be 10 or 11 lv (i forgot if lv adjustment goes with multiplication or just add one to the second, but i think the first). Our party is about 15lv, so to win 2 vs 3 they should gennerally be higher, and 16 is as low higher as you can get.

Everything has to have one basic creature type, you cant be nothing with two templates on it(i thnik). That+i can't find half ogre in SRD, and Rich gennerally doesnt try to use overly complicated stuff. He said he is half ogre half dragon, but it fits well if hes ogre with half dragon template - template makes him half ogre.

I'd Like to point out that Racial Hit Dice are added to Effective Character Level.
As a 10th level Fighter Enors ECL would be 19:
Base Creature Ogre = 4HD + 2 LA
Half-Dragon Template = +3 LA
Fighter levels = 10HD
ECL = 14HD +5 LA = 19.

He doesn't need any class levels to do what he was shown capable of:
Giant racial Hit Dice grant him proficiency in all simple and martial weapons, light and medium armours and shields.

If, however, he indeed was a Half-Ogre (a race from Races of Destiny, as Savage Species is for D&D 3.0 ) with the Half-Dragon Template, he would need levels.

A 4th level fighter Half-Dragon Half-Ogre (born of a Half-Ogre mother and a Blue Dragon father shapeshifted into Half-Ogre) has 1 more* BAB, 3 more feats, 2 more inteligence & charisma and proficiency with heavy armour at the cost of 4 points of Strenght and 1 point of natural armour. EDIT: and 28 less skill points, Half-Dragon inceases skill points from racial HD.

*compared to an Ogre as the base creature, ECL=9

[Kish]

Then we could always refer to size. Guess how that goes?

Enor>Windstriker>Belkar
Also:
One hobgoblin>Belkar.

That would seem to put paid to the idea that Enor's going to be able to defeat Belkar because he's bigger than him.

[homeosapiens]

Kish well...

Windstriker is stronger than Belkar(18+3 most probably[warchorse+ 11/14 paladins mount]).
Windstriker is bigger than Belkar.
Belkar small -4 modifier - windstriker large +4

Enor is much stronger than Belkar (he could have over 40 str if wears belt, 36 is like average)
+large size

If he grapples B. B. is a goner.

Also - why would a guy who hires himself as a Bounty Hunter not have levels? Seems like a guys who dungenon crawls all his life without levels...

And also he does het hit by Elan two times and by Haley's arrow, he doesnt seem hurt much(just a bit) - means his hit point total is high.

[SPoD]

Everyone here is forgetting that it's not Enor & Gannji vs. Roy & Belkar.

It's Enor & Gannji vs. Roy, Belkar, & Mr. Scruffy.

[Acero]

Everyone here is forgetting that it's not Enor & Gannji vs. Roy & Belkar.

It's Enor & Gannji vs. Roy, Belkar, & Mr. Scruffy.



yeah... about that (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0144.html)

so... yeah

off topic: Ooh. I'm a Barbarian now! Swanky!

[headmonkeyboy]

Belkar on dagon-dude
Roy on lizardish-dude
OOTS win

[Acero]

Belkar on dagon-dude
Roy on lizardish-dude
OOTS win

Thank you for your thoughtful insight....

[DSCrankshaw]

I don't think Belkar's planning on fighting them... I think he's planning on following them when they bolt, which they're likely planning to do already. Ganjji and Enor are not the type for a stand up fight. And Belkar just got a juice in a to-go cup.

[homeosapiens]

I think Belkar is planning on fighting them. He orders "to go" becouse there usually is a mess after a barfight and they are going to have to bolt themselves, after getting info ofc.

[monomer]

Oh, and there's the breath attack

Half-Dragons only get one breath weapon attack per day, and he has already used that on Roy.

Regarding Roy, at 6D8, the opening attack likely did about 24 damage, half that if Roy made his saving throw, though in either case I really wouldn't count out Roy at this point.

[Bongos]

Enor is going to grab Gannji and just fly right out of there. Leaving Roy open to a vicious attack of sarcasm from Belkar, who conveniently ordered his juice to go to take with him as he tracks them down.

[Saphy]

This is one of those things where it would probably be helpful to have a background in DnD. I have never actually played, but I still find the comic hilarious. But all the stats went whooosh over my head. :D

[Luzahn]

This is one of those things where it would probably be helpful to have a background in DnD. I have never actually played, but I still find the comic hilarious. But all the stats went whooosh over my head. :D

As a general rule

Stat > Foe = good

Stat < Foe = bad

:smallwink:

[Zwums]

So yeah, I think that they don't stand a chance against Roy. Just saying.

[hamishspence]

the fact that Roy, despite being shot at with an eldritch blast (lethal damage) and a lightning breath (lethal damage) has not yet pulled out his sword, might indicate that he's confident he can win without such a big bonus.

[homeosapiens]

Eldritch blast did hit Ganjji, not Roy.

[hamishspence]

True- but that was because Roy ducked.

Think of it as like not pulling your weapon after a bullet has whizzed over your head.

[King of Nowhere]

Not exactly. It's clear that everyone involved in the figth has a respectable amount of levels, so a couple dozen damages aren't a real threath.

[hamishspence]

True- but they don't necessarily know how powerful each other are.

It's a bit flukey that the bar is full of high level adventurers- since about half of all adventurers are 1st level, going by the DMG.

[Kish]

It's the world-warping effect of Roy and Belkar's PC status. First-level adventurers don't get in the same barroom brawl as them.

[hamishspence]

That might explain it.

I think it was one of the common complaints about "realism" in D&D- when you're high level and get into a fight, regardless of plausibility, the people you end up fighting will tend to be around the same level as you.

[derfenrirwolv]

It's a bit flukey that the bar is full of high level adventurers- since about half of all adventurers are 1st level, going by the DMG.

Its the same force that keeps high level adventurers from running into tribes of kobolds, and 4th level pc's from accidentally bumping into beholders.

As a DM i DO enjoy dropping inappropriate encounters every once in a while, just to avoid this.

[homeosapiens]

So much for "they are going to run" theories. Well still this fight doesnt look that lethal - they just fight like V did with the divource messenger. Dealing lethal damage is ok, but mainly they do it just to kick someones ass, not to kill.

[homeosapiens]

It's probable, they are going to meet again in the arena. Last time it wasn't lethal fight, but now? Are we going to see fireworks?

[snikrept]

Previously Gannji and Enor got the best of some OOTS through careful preparation and ambush. Gannji admits they probably got lucky in winning that fight. Later he states that it would be foolish for them to attempt to re-apprehend people who can walk through a max damage Blade Barrier and live.

I think Gannji and Enor are out-leveled by the OOTs by a bit. Fair fight will probably not be much of a contest if it comes to that. What I'm betting will happen however is they end up working together with Roy/Belkar out of necessity to escape since Gannji & Enor seem to be way too fleshed out to not become recurring characters in some capacity.

[ifly6]

Previously Gannji and Enor got the best of some OOTS through careful preparation and ambush. Gannji admits they probably got lucky in winning that fight. Later he states that it would be foolish for them to attempt to re-apprehend people who can walk through a max damage Blade Barrier and live.

I think Gannji and Enor are out-leveled by the OOTs by a bit. Fair fight will probably not be much of a contest if it comes to that. What I'm betting will happen however is they end up working together with Roy/Belkar out of necessity to escape since Gannji & Enor seem to be way too fleshed out to not become recurring characters in some capacity.

"I mean he had a name! -Haley
(Comic 21)

Judging from the quote here, I think it is pretty likely that the quoted scenario actually happens. :smallsmile:
Furthermore, it isn't easy to escape from Jail/Correctional Facilities with two people. Yes, it has been done, but it was probably luck or extremely careful planning

[Dancing_Fox]

Wait.

Are we assuming that both the OOTS and the Bounty Hunters get to keep all of their equipment in a court ordered arena combat?

Wouldn't they take away scrolls of teleport, belts of giant strength, hidden daggers and so on? And then issue equpment "Here is your trident and shield . . . and oh my, you're a big fellow - here's your wooden club."

And would the arena be magic shielded? It is to hold prisoners after all.

[Acero]

Wait.

Are we assuming that both the OOTS and the Bounty Hunters get to keep all of their equipment in a court ordered arena combat?

Wouldn't they take away scrolls of teleport, belts of giant strength, hidden daggers and so on? And then issue equpment "Here is your trident and shield . . . and oh my, you're a big fellow - here's your wooden club."

And would the arena be magic shielded? It is to hold prisoners after all.

or even better,drop one weapon in the middle. there is nothing else in the arena

[Swordpriest]

The only straight-up, level-appropriate fight the OotS ever won was against the ogres, wasn't it? :smallbiggrin:

(I kid, I kid .... they won against Xykon, more or less, at the start of the comic, and a few other fights. They do tend to lose a lot, though.)

[Da'Shain]

Well, they beat the stuffing out of the Linear Guild the first time after the element of surprise wore off, and ditto for Cliffport; Leeky was the only actual challenge there, and that was because he was a druid (with class features more powerful than Haley's entire class, as he so astutely pointed out) and had prepared for them. Haley, Celia and Belkar pretty much decimated the Thieves' Guild despite Celia being a pacifist and Belkar being out of commission most of the fight. Not sure whether it was level appropriate or not, but the Order beat back the insectoid slavers pretty easily.

There actually haven't been all that many straight-up, level-appropriate fights in the comic, now that I think of it.

[derfenrirwolv]

Later he states that it would be foolish for them to attempt to re-apprehend people who can walk through a max damage Blade Barrier and live.

I believe the chart suggested that doing so would be feasible, but only for a LOT of money.

[taltamir]

If we estimate him as say lv 10 fighter

that is a massive IF.

Roy is a level 15 fighter. whether roy can take him 1v1 depends entirely on what level that guy is, his classes, his build, and their relative magic gear (since both appear to be fighters).
The world of OOTS DOES have epic character, so that guy could be level 1 + RHD, level 5, level 10, level 15, level 20, or even EPIC for all we know...


Wait.

Are we assuming that both the OOTS and the Bounty Hunters get to keep all of their equipment in a court ordered arena combat?

as of today, the latest comic shows that they have been stripped down to loincloth, none of them have ANY gear or armor...

[Dr.Epic]

homeosapiens: You forgot to factor in something into you argument:

main characters>disposable mooks

[taltamir]

homeosapiens: You forgot to factor in something into you argument:

main characters>disposable mooks

disposeable mooks don't have that much screen time, names, personality, background, etc... he is clearly a minor supporting character at the moment. As a result, they will not kill each other.