The Story of a Dragon

[Lord Raziere]

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Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, The Story of a Dragon.
Its really obvious: its a sick figure webcomic about the life of a 10,000 year old dragon and his interactions with dragons, other immortal creatures and mortals.

Please note that the entire story is narrated from a first-person point of view: the view of the protagonist, to best give you insight into how his mind works and what he thinks about the rest of the world. He is therefore not an unbiased narrator and will state his opinions during narration, center the narrative on himself, may leave out certain details and generally distort and skew things towards his point of view- do not assume that all the things he says are entirely factual or reliable. That and even a dragon's memory designed to hold thousands of years of information, cannot remember every detail correctly.

That said feel free to come up with your own interpretation of whether the protagonist is telling the truth, twisting the truth in some way/outright lying or just trying to fill in the gaps of his memory with exaggerations or something made up. I don't really know myself. :smallsmile:

that said, on with the comic.

Current Comic: Comic #10
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Archive:
Comic 1: http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic1-1.png
Comic 2: http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic2-1.png
Comic 3:
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Comic 4:
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Comic 5:
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Comic 6:
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comic 7:
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comic 8:
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comic 9:
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Comic 10:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic10.png


Extras:

Smuchmuch's fanart:
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad15/smuchmuch/avis/dragon01-1.jpg
alternate comic 5:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomicalt5.png

[Lord Raziere]

Comic #2 is up.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic2-1.png

[Kumo]

Interesting... i'll keep an eye on this.

[Green-Shirt Q]

The artstyle is charming, I think (and the "creepy" doe eyes, which actually were slightly cute) but the strangulation of the dragon's mother was a little...weird. I can't put my finger on it. It looks like she just decided to die all of a sudden without any struggle. It looks like there was some kind of off switch on her neck. I would accept that he snapped her neck, if her head was turned around and there was a snapping sound effect.

Other than that though, looks good. I will continue to read.

[Cizak]

Looks good, but I really think you should cut out the "oots-style" part in the descreptin, since I've never seen any dragons being drawn this way in oots.

[Darklord Bright]

The red-on-blue of the main dragon's speech bubbles is really jarring with all the other colours present, and a lot of things like borders seem to be inconsistently sized.

Why are the dragons just vaguely dragonesque humanoids?

[Lord Raziere]

@ Q: you know, your right. I was thinking she was took by surprise and since she specialized more in learning magic than physical might and the Father did, he was far stronger and faster while she couldn't think of a spell to kill fight back in time, but it might be good to modify it to tell a better story.

@ Cizak: ok

@ Bright: think there is any way I can adjust the red-on-blue narration bubbles to be more readable?

as for borders....eh nothing's perfect.

as for the dragons:
OOC explanation: that is just how I like to draw them.

IC explanation: you can either say it is:
1. draconic polymorphing powers
2. Zarakkan's aforementioned unreliable storytelling.
3. my dragons are just different.

I leave you to decide.

[Cizak]

I'll go with 3. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurDragonsAreDifferent)

[Lord Raziere]

comic three, coming right up.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic3.png

[super dark33]

nice!
but isnt he supposed to be a purple dragon if his perents are red and blue?

[Lord Raziere]

nice!
but isnt he supposed to be a purple dragon if his perents are red and blue?

GENETICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!! :smallbiggrin:

[super dark33]

if hes purple itll make him special!
not like the ordinery blue dragon.
just draw him purple!

[Mina Kobold]

if hes purple itll make him special!
not like the ordinery blue dragon.
just draw him purple!

Yes, we need a purple dragon!

Perhaps he can meet one and wonder why he isn't purple himself? :smalltongue:

[Salty]

GENETICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!! :smallbiggrin:

This is perfect. I love that part, and it works perfectly well here. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

oh really people? purple?

you are telling me that you want Zarakkan to look like Barney, the purple dinosaur? :smallamused:

[super dark33]

ummm no

he will be like burney, the purple dragon!

[super dark33]

...........

[smuchmuch]

GENETICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!! :smallbiggrin:

Depends. If color is primarily determined by co-dominant alleles and by assuming quite a lot about the lineage of the parent...
Okay, okay, I'm stopping now.

about the art, I understand you are trying to have your own style, but have you con,siderd using smoother forms or thicker lines for your art ?
(Maybe just a little shading ?)

[Lord Raziere]

yea umm.....not all alleles are co-dominant, the assumption that for say a half-elf would be a perfect half of human and elf is mostly an abstraction to my way of thinking.

either way, Zarakkan is NOT becoming purple, end of story. insisting so further will just raise my ire and make me draw a one panel comic of Zarakkan yelling "genetics do not work that way!!!" while pointing at a picture of a purple version of himself. :smallamused:

as for art style: I might improve it. Someday. Not all of us can improve things on a dime.

now wanna know something? these three comics were only the prologue.
this, is where we start the first "chapter":
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/CaveFatherandFreedom.png
(Its called Cave, Father and Freedom,the "d" got decayed out.)
I'll start working on the fourth comic.

[Lord Loss]

I love your comic! The style becomes hard to read at times, but apart from that it's flawless! Good use of suspense, by the way!

[smuchmuch]

A quick fanart.
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad15/smuchmuch/avis/dragon01-1.jpg

[Lord Raziere]

why thank you good sir, much appreciated.

I like it, now I have en excuse to to have an "extras" section. :smallbiggrin:

edit: by the way, comic 4 will be up soon.

[Lord Raziere]

Comic #4
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic4-2.png
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic4-2-1.png

Note: Athim's "Original" name was Zarathim, as when a dragon is exiled from their family, they lose their Vir-nav-nil.
while I'm at it, Zarakkan's mothers name is "Skyrania"

[Green-Shirt Q]

Hologram!

Anyway, the blue bubbles with red text and borders is REALLY hard to read.

Seriously?! Who the heck puts red text in blue bubbles?! [/hypocritical humour]

[Lord Raziere]

Its a narrative thing. how else am I supposed to differentiate Zarakkan's narration from speech bubbles?

perhaps the blue needs to be lighter to better contrast the dark red?

[Kumo]

Its a narrative thing. how else am I supposed to differentiate Zarakkan's narration from speech bubbles?Make them colors that stand out against each other, like bright red and black.


perhaps the blue needs to be lighter to better contrast the dark red?

Maybe.

[Lord Loss]

Hologram!

Anyway, the blue bubbles with red text and borders is REALLY hard to read.

Seconded. Also, The new comic is great!

[Mad Mask]

Its a narrative thing. how else am I supposed to differentiate Zarakkan's narration from speech bubbles?

perhaps the blue needs to be lighter to better contrast the dark red?

You could make his thoughts like Shojo's narration in this OotS comic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0273.html). Far more easy to read, and it fits with Zarakkan being blue.

[Lord Raziere]

yea, I've decided to say "screw it" and just stick to the vertical, extra height might be a little long but its better than side-scrolling.

edit:......... what the- agh. that is it, I'm separating comic 4 into two images so photobucket doesn't screw it up :smallmad:

[John Cribati]

4th comic: Badass. That is all.

[super dark33]

is this the part he eats his fathers flash, growing more stronger and turning to purple?

[chaser]

Nice comic:smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

ok, comic 5.....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic5.png

is UP!

also, there is a reference to something in this comic, find it and you get a cookie.

[smuchmuch]

I know it's a nitpick, thar a wizzard (well dragon here) did it anyway and all that.. but
Since when gold burns ? (melt yes but you' still need a combustible of somme sort for the fire to take and keep going like it does in the comic, and don't really see what's could work as such in this cave)

Otherwise if I may authorize myself, a little critic here,( a more valid one) there was no need to be so verbose here. From what we already know of the characters and situation, we could already guess that Zarakkan would go for vengeance and humiliation, and the graphic already carry the nture of said evenge. having the character bable at the same time doesn't really give us the impression he means buisness and kind of distract the reader from the intensity of the scence.
(or at least I assume the scene is supposed to have a ceratin intensity ot it. I mean he just aavenged his mother and gained his freedom att he same time)

My point is the whole sence could have been carried just as well, with only a few lines: "Death is too good for what you've done. You will live now froever with your tresure melted, blind and in shame. Goodbie" or even no lines at all.

[Lord Raziere]

I interpreted the scene as Zarakkan basically saying everything he ever wanted to say to his father Athim he was afraid to say for ten years.

and I was intending for his monologue to enhance the intensity of it, and to kinda show that Zarakkan has a cruel side- yes he could have just walked out of there without saying anything else but intentionally added insult to injury by gloating about what he did just to spite Athim further.

and I kind of like Zarakkan to be a little verbose, it just seemed natural for him to continue talking like that, his speech slowly winding down to that cold dismissal at the end, as if he had no more anger left to spend on Athim.

but hey, that is just my interpretation- one the foggiest areas of Zarakkan's early life is the part where he defeated Athim, as a 50 year old dragon isn't much of a match for a thousands of years old dragon. Basically? He should not have been able to defeat Athim so easily. Its perfectly possible that Zarakkan is not telling the story as it actually happened, just the story he wants you to hear, and might have have actually just snuck out of the cave at night, used some spell to collapse the cave on Athim thus killing him in his sleep.

or he might have actually done all that as the comic portrays- with less or without any talking, its your choice of how to interpret it.

[super dark33]

does he eats his father now?

[Allan Surgite]

I'd have personally done this as a silent comic; just about the only thing you'd have needed to clarify was that the Father had not died from the attack, as opposed to blindness.

And I like the idea that this is simply meant to be a story told from the perspective of the same dragon from thousands of years in the future; do you plan to bring this up in the story, to make it official? Unless you've done so already.

[Lord Raziere]

I'd have personally done this as a silent comic; just about the only thing you'd have needed to clarify was that the Father had not died from the attack, as opposed to blindness.

And I like the idea that this is simply meant to be a story told from the perspective of the same dragon from thousands of years in the future; do you plan to bring this up in the story, to make it official? Unless you've done so already.

yah, Zarakkan IS telling his story from thousands of years in the future- and partly because of it his narrative is unreliable; even the powerful memory of dragon is not really perfect.

well if everyone thinks it could be done better silently, then how about a compromise? I'll make an alternate comic where Zarakkan only says "Enjoy your blindness." in the first panel. Then, because Zarakkan is telling this from thousands of years in the future, I can just say that both are canon.

[Lord Raziere]

does he eats his father now?

No! :smalltongue: He ain't a cannibal you sick freak! stop with the purple, he is staying blue with red eyes. Forever. :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

here is....

alternate comic 5:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomicalt5.png

just to note, all alternate comics are as canonical as the original ones. However how canonical the original ones are is up for debate.

you can find alternate comics in the extras section.

[Mina Kobold]

here is....

alternate comic 5:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomicalt5.png

just to note, all alternate comics are as canonical as the original ones. However how canonical the original ones are is up for debate.

you can find alternate comics in the extras section.

If he's blindly-blind then how does he know his hoard is getting burned?

To me that kinda made it necessary for our main dragon to exposit what he did as the target had no other way of knowing spadjit.

[smuchmuch]

If he's blindly-blind then how does he know his hoard is getting burned?

Rising heat (if it's hot enough to melt metal, even if admitedly gold is pretty easy one compartively, that's still hot enough you will feel it even form a distance) and the sound of the blowing fammes ?

[Allan Surgite]

I'd personally remove the text in Panel #1, but that's just nitpicking! I do prefer the alternate comic, but both are cool.

[Kumo]

If he's blindly-blind then how does he know his hoard is getting burned?

To me that kinda made it necessary for our main dragon to exposit what he did as the target had no other way of knowing spadjit.

Because he said 'im going to burn it all to the ground'?

[Lord Raziere]

Because he said 'im going to burn it all to the ground'?

hes talking about the alternate comic.

[Mina Kobold]

Rising heat (if it's hot enough to melt metal, even if admitedly gold is pretty easy one compartively, that's still hot enough you will feel it even form a distance) and the sound of the blowing fammes ?

That would tell him that something or blajib were burning, but not that it was his treasure :smallsmile:

Then again, he might notice the gold thing once he finds it and it's molten...

Waitaparsec! The gold is still valuable even if it's molten, it will cool off sooner or later an be gold none the less!

Granted, the historical and magical value will be lost but gold is still gold.

[Lord Raziere]

That would tell him that something or blajib were burning, but not that it was his treasure :smallsmile:

Then again, he might notice the gold thing once he finds it and it's molten...

Waitaparsec! The gold is still valuable even if it's molten, it will cool off sooner or later an be gold none the less!

Granted, the historical and magical value will be lost but gold is still gold.

hes blind. in a cave. how is he going to spend it? Athim does not know magic and knows no doctors.

Sure, adventurers or dragonslayers might come by and kill Athim then lie about the fight being more exciting than it was, but how will they lift huge piles of melted gold? how would they transport it? even if it has gold value, it would still be too impractical to be transported.

[super dark33]

wait, is it possible for a blue dragon to burn gold? or big sword?
hes a blue dragon! he spits lightning!
choose:blue dragon or red dragon or both (blue back,red stomech)

[Lord Raziere]

hes a blue dragon! he spits lightning!


genetics do not work that way either.

[super dark33]

blue dragons breat lightning,
red dragons breath fire
he is a blue dragon
therfor he breaths lightning
thus he cant burn gold
which even a red dragon cant

[Lord Raziere]

blue dragons breat lightning,
red dragons breath fire
he is a blue dragon
therfor he breaths lightning
thus he cant burn gold
which even a red dragon cant

ah, but metallic dragons can also breathe fire and lightning.

therefore elemental breath attacks aren't tied to the dragons color since metallics and chromatics breathe the same breath weapons, and according to my interpretation? that means that breath weapon =/= dragons color, that and if dragons can mate and produce half-dragons, which makes LESS sense than a blue dragon having a red dragon's firebreathing gene/allele/whatever, than something that makes more sense than half-dragons is possible as well.

that and its my world. it doesn't have to follow any of your rules, assuming that it does is just being stubborn :smalltongue:

[super dark33]

blue isnt mettalic and red too

[Mina Kobold]

hes blind. in a cave. how is he going to spend it? Athim does not know magic and knows no doctors.

Sure, adventurers or dragonslayers might come by and kill Athim then lie about the fight being more exciting than it was, but how will they lift huge piles of melted gold? how would they transport it? even if it has gold value, it would still be too impractical to be transported.

If my old AD&D team found multiple ways of transporting the sinetastic-gold bars (which were larger than ogres) from a giant gold pyramid away in a bag of holly-holding that could only hold what could fit in it's opening then they can manage some smelty-melted gold in a cave, with a box of scraps :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

comic 6, UP!

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic6.png

I personally like the fact that in the SoDverse (Story of a Dragon universe) firebreathing dragons who swallow water are basically swallowing fire dragon cyanide, it goes well with the "breathing fire" thing, because if you breath fire, then water has got to kill you then doesn't it? so in a way Zarakkan is more vulnerable than us.

[Mina Kobold]

comic 6, UP!

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic6.png

I personally like the fact that in the SoDverse (Story of a Dragon universe) firebreathing dragons who swallow water are basically swallowing fire dragon cyanide, it goes well with the "breathing fire" thing, because if you breath fire, then water has got to kill you then doesn't it? so in a way Zarakkan is more vulnerable than us.

It's a new spin on an old story for sure.

But it only works if you make it so that his fire comes from his stomach and as such only swallowing water affects him in a negi-negative way (As a bonus it fits the anatomy of traditional eastern dragons too!) because life and air kinda contain lotsa lotsa water that would make him being able to breathy-breathe, eat or even exist all the while having water as his Krytonite kinda impy-implausible :smalltongue:

[Cizak]

The new colour for the text is good. Keep it that way :smallsmile:

[Lord Raziere]

It's a new spin on an old story for sure.

But it only works if you make it so that his fire comes from his stomach and as such only swallowing water affects him in a negi-negative way (As a bonus it fits the anatomy of traditional eastern dragons too!) because life and air kinda contain lotsa lotsa water that would make him being able to breathy-breathe, eat or even exist all the while having water as his Krytonite kinda impy-implausible :smalltongue:

well I figure that the draconic equivalent of noses and lungs do not actually breathe in particles- the nose just takes in the surrounding heat and use it to fuel the fire while the mouth is constantly exhaling heat so that the dragon doesn't get too hot, the firebreathing is just very strong exhaling.

this, in reverse means that fire dragons can just inhale any fire you throw at them, add it to their current fire, and spew out even stronger flames.

How this is all accomplished, is either magic or alternate physics, but more ridiculous stuff has happened so whatever...

[X2]

I'll read this. It keeps my interest which is more than I can say for a lot of fan comics. I won't name them.

[Mina Kobold]

well I figure that the draconic equivalent of noses and lungs do not actually breathe in particles- the nose just takes in the surrounding heat and use it to fuel the fire while the mouth is constantly exhaling heat so that the dragon doesn't get too hot, the firebreathing is just very strong exhaling.

this, in reverse means that fire dragons can just inhale any fire you throw at them, add it to their current fire, and spew out even stronger flames.

How this is all accomplished, is either magic or alternate physics, but more ridiculous stuff has happened so whatever...

Oxygen. Life needs it.

And it still doesn't explain his skin touching the air (mostly water) or him consuming anything alive (also mostly water, about everything that's not a rock contain more water than anything else.)

It would also make him killable by bucket :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

Oxygen. Life needs it.

And it still doesn't explain his skin touching the air (mostly water) or him consuming anything alive (also mostly water, about everything that's not a rock contain more water than anything else.)

It would also make him killable by bucket :smalltongue:

I said poisonous not acidic

that and screw the rules, this is fantasy.

[Mina Kobold]

I said poisonous not acidic

that and screw the rules, this is fantasy.

good point. But it still leave out what he does when he want to eat.

That's a lazy excuse, Tolkien and Lewis created the whole genre but did they jut explain away stuff like that? No, they wrote entire languages and backstories spanning thousands of years just to explain anything!

... Sorry :smallfrown:

[Lord Raziere]

good point. But it still leave out what he does when he want to eat.

That's a lazy excuse, Tolkien and Lewis created the whole genre but did they jut explain away stuff like that? No, they wrote entire languages and backstories spanning thousands of years just to explain anything!

... Sorry :smallfrown:

thats ok, I like quality, but Tolkien's quality is kind of something freakishly high to achieve. I mean I myself like history, and I like make histories in my worlds, but not so much detail man, I mean, a good epic creation myth, maybe something important to the story, but nothing to THEIR level.

and yes there WILL be a creation myth to the SoDverse, but that is next chapter..... heck Zarakkan's life could itself be considered a kind of history- he's ten thousand years old, hes literally a living history book and part of the reason why I'm telling the story in this form, is me going "What if a history book could talk? what if a history book could remember and talk about things from a thousand years ago as if they were there? how would they talk about something so long ago?"

that and I'm thinking "the thousands of years" thing about fantasy is getting (no pun intended) a little old, unless you can add the whole thing, the entire history up to something important NOW, its not worth it, you don't just do it because you can, you have to connect things, it would be a good change if there was a fantasy story that just had a history of a few hundred years; you could still have as much detail, but they would be more recent and I think that would change how the history is presented and how things work.

[Mina Kobold]

thats ok, I like quality, but Tolkien's quality is kind of something freakishly high to achieve. I mean I myself like history, and I like make histories in my worlds, but not so much detail man, I mean, a good epic creation myth, maybe something important to the story, but nothing to THEIR level.

and yes there WILL be a creation myth to the SoDverse, but that is next chapter..... heck Zarakkan's life could itself be considered a kind of history- he's ten thousand years old, hes literally a living history book and part of the reason why I'm telling the story in this form, is me going "What if a history book could talk? what if a history book could remember and talk about things from a thousand years ago as if they were there? how would they talk about something so long ago?"

that and I'm thinking "the thousands of years" thing about fantasy is getting (no pun intended) a little old, unless you can add the whole thing, the entire history up to something important NOW, its not worth it, you don't just do it because you can, you have to connect things, it would be a good change if there was a fantasy story that just had a history of a few hundred years; you could still have as much detail, but they would be more recent and I think that would change how the history is presented and how things work.

Fair enough, I just personally prefer to make up the way something works even if by magic. Otherwise it makes me feel like I'm cheating :smallsmile:

The premise is good, I've thought that the whole time. But I've learnt that bad execution can ruin even the best stories, jut trying to avoid having that happen here :smallsmile:

Thousands of years is not that much compared to our universe's billions of years. But if you want a Fantasy book that features a world only a few hundred years old then I cant help you. The closest I know of is Dragonlance which takes place in their equivalent of 700-800 AD.
Just replace AD with After the Cataclysm that killed most of civilisation... Well at least they still have kenders :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

I see, executing.....

[CoffeeIncluded]

Well, I personally enjoy creating huge histories with lots of little unimportant details and geographies and cultures and the like. It's a lot of fun. I see a situation and I think, "Well, how did this situation happen? Well..."

It's why I enjoy real-life history too. Everything's interconnected.

[Lord Raziere]

I know, I just think it isn't wise to introduce more information than the story requires to be good, its called moderation, the lack of it is called infodump people don't like that, its boring :smalltongue:

[Mina Kobold]

I know, I just think it isn't wise to introduce more information than the story requires to be good, its called moderation, the lack of it is called infodump people don't like that, its boring :smalltongue:

I thought it was called Lord Of The Rings? :smalltongue:

Seriously, he spend several chapters solely on describing Minas Tirith :smalleek:

[Lord Raziere]

I thought it was called Lord Of The Rings? :smalltongue:

Seriously, he spend several chapters solely on describing Minas Tirith :smalleek:

see? moderation. I personally would have just gone with a page or two,perhaps three.

[Mina Kobold]

see? moderation. I personally would have just gone with a page or two,perhaps three.

I would have drawn it :smalltongue:

The only problem I had with it was the fact that neither of the characters present could have seen all that as they didn't stop or use much time getting there.

[Lord Raziere]

comic #7 has joined the party!
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic7.png

[Allan Surgite]

...Mommy? Seems a bit... off for someone as verbose as him. Maybe "Rest in peace" alone would work better?

I know, I know, unreliable narrators. Just poking at an otherwise very well-done comic.

[Lord Raziere]

...Mommy? Seems a bit... off for someone as verbose as him. Maybe "Rest in peace" alone would work better?

I know, I know, unreliable narrators. Just poking at an otherwise very well-done comic.

its to sort of point out that he is still a child dragon at this point- to us age 50 is half our life. To dragons, that is barely out of preschool.

In fact, that one panel is probably one of his most vivid and clear memories he has.

[Allan Surgite]

its to sort of point out that he is still a child dragon at this point- to us age 50 is half our life. To dragons, that is barely out of preschool.
Yeah, he might be a child, but would he really have such horribly stunted mental growth? :smallconfused: Not that "Mommy" is indicative of stunted mental growth, but someone who's been alive for 50 years, regardless of chemistry, is going to be quite intelligent. Unless someone's been deliberately stunting it, of course.

[Lord Raziere]

Yeah, he might be a child, but would he really have such horribly stunted mental growth? :smallconfused: Not that "Mommy" is indicative of stunted mental growth, but someone who's been alive for 50 years, regardless of chemistry, is going to be quite intelligent. Unless someone's been deliberately stunting it, of course.

well think of it this way- the way he calls someone is relative to emotionally distant he is from them- for example Zarakkan called Athim "Father" in a formal and distasteful manner before he exiled him he wasn't very close, and when he did exile hi and call him "Athim" it was to show much he hated his father- to take away his Vir-Nav-Nil, that as far as Zarakkan is concerned, he never had a father.

Meaning calling Skyrania "Mommy" signifies he very emotionally close to her and cared for her and remember- he regarded her as angel and his father a demon.

that and maturity and immortality are funny things and they don't always mix well together, someone can be very intelligent but not mature, mature but not intelligent, to invoke what you consider the "dreaded" tv tropes, there is even a trope called immortality immaturity which points out the trend for immortal characters to not always be mature- who said they had to? they live forever, technically they can behave however they want because age-based behavior is mostly based on how long before you have to die of old age, and if your immortal and won't die of that, who said you had to act like people expect you to?

that and its a private moment- no one else was around, think he was gonna verbose when was alone when no one could hear him?

[super dark33]

.....

dragins MUST drink water.

even fire breathing dragons.
they produce fire magically or scientificly

even science way makes water healthy for them

[Allan Surgite]

@above: What? I having trouble understanding your post. Biologically speaking, yes. All beings must consume fluid - what may be meant is that plain ol' water might be harmful; likewise, petrol might be better. Or some such; I'm no expert.

[Lord Raziere]

explain fire elementals first.

living beings made out of fire this violates every single rule of biology. and physics.

explain how those can exist on world of oxygen and water and all that- THEN you can explain fire dragons.

[super dark33]

fire elementals:magic


fire dragons is easy:
they have anouter stomech, which stores gasses in it,they have an organ which prouduces spark in their upper jaw

thunder breathing dragons:
they have an organ which transfers electricity from the nerve system, and alot of it.

[Lord Raziere]

see? at some point you have to say "magic"

you know what, I'll just let you all come up with your own explanations, I don't have to explain anything, the unreliable narrator just has to say it and then you can draw your own conclusion from the information given, I think its lazier and better that way; I can focus on the comic, you can focus on your explanations on why that happens in the comic.

[super dark33]

just make him say:'the water from my food made me not to dehaidrate and i relized i did needed to drink water' or somthing like that

[Lord Raziere]

I apologize, but I am unable to discern the meaning of your poorly articulated words. Please correct them so that my visual ocular organs do not bleed profusely with crimson liquid.

[Mina Kobold]

explain fire elementals first.

living beings made out of fire this violates every single rule of biology. and physics.

explain how those can exist on world of oxygen and water and all that- THEN you can explain fire dragons.

They don't need to eat or breather, so much is canon in all sources.

How and why they exist tend to differ:

Some explanations claim they are fuelled by the eternal flames of the plane of fire and thus they acquire their Oxygen from the same source as those.

Other's claim that they simply consume anything flammable they find and burn that as fuel, this requires a tad more magic physics but can plausibly happen if they use more oxygen than fuel. A variant is when the spell behind the elemental recreates the burnt parts of this core and thus gives it eternal "life"

A third way might be nuclear reactions ala the sun, don't know if that could work.

As to water: The water in the air doesn't affect normal fire so our only problem is larger quantities like rain and large bodies of water. They might either destroy the elemental or just hinder it slightly, depending on the mechanics behind the source of fire.

Anything else? :smallsmile:


I apologize, but I am unable to discern the meaning of your poorly articulated words. Please correct them so that my visual ocular organs do not bleed profusely with crimson liquid plasma.

My words exactly, except for the part about liquid plasma.

Plasma and liquid are two of the four forms that matter exist in, nothing can be both.

That and plasma is stuff like fire and lightning so bleeding it might be painful :smalltongue:

[John Cribati]

Plasma and liquid are two of the four forms that matter exist in, nothing can be both.

However, there is a substance in the blood known as plasma by biologists everywhere.

[Mina Kobold]

However, there is a substance in the blood known as plasma by biologists everywhere.

Oh, you mean Blood Plasma.

I've always wondered about that one.

Must investigate *pokes*

[smuchmuch]

However, there is a substance in the blood known as plasma by biologists everywhere.

Ouch you are mixing two completly different things here. (or if you aren't, then you are making your point quite innefectively)

Plasma in physics is a physical states of electricaly charged element.

Blood Plasma is just blood filteredfrom ti's cellular component. In shoirt it's just water with proteins and somme electrolytes disolved in it.
But it's definitively mostly water, hence a liquid.

[Mad Mask]

I apologize, but I am unable to discern the meaning of your poorly articulated words. Please correct them so that my visual ocular organs do not bleed profusely with crimson liquid.

I think he's trying to say that you can't have your fictional dragons unable to drink water because science makes it healthy for them. Even though it's your own fantasy setting and dragons are inherently magical beings (fire-breathing, in my opinion, cannot work, let alone evolve naturally).

[Lord Raziere]

I think he's trying to say that you can't have your fictional dragons unable to drink water because science makes it healthy for them. Even though it's your own fantasy setting and dragons are inherently magical beings (fire-breathing, in my opinion, cannot work, let alone evolve naturally).

screw the rules, I'm me.

[GrlumpTheElder]

screw the rules, I'm me.

Hey, your fan-comic, you make the rules

[Lord Raziere]

Hey, your fan-comic, you make the rules

then screw myself! I'm making my fan comic in any way I want whether I like it or not, and if myself doesn't like that, I can go screw myself because I'm screwing my rules and making my own and I can't stop it, whats I gonna do, kill me? I think not! :smalltongue:

[Mina Kobold]

then screw myself! I'm making my fan comic in any way I want whether I like it or not, and if myself doesn't like that, I can go screw myself because I'm screwing my rules and making my own and I can't stop it, whats I gonna do, kill me? I think not! :smalltongue:

...

Ew.

I know some people can actually do themselves and enjoy it and I respect their rights and all but since it's not discrimination when coming from me I still stand by my earlier statement: Ew.

[Lord Raziere]

and comic 8- sorry for the delay- is up.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic8.png

I know what you are going to ask: "who is beating up Narrator Zarakkan in panel 5?" well since its outside Zarakkan's narrative there is a definitive answer!

only I'm not gonna tell you it, because you already have all the information in comic you need to figure it out, if you are confused, check back to comic 6 and compare it with the information here :smallwink:

[X2]

Might wanna update the first post there champ

[Lord Raziere]

that is done now.

[super dark33]

i would ask: if age 1360 why isnt he giant?
but then i answeard myself: he shapeshifted to half dragon

[Lord Raziere]

i would ask: if age 1360 why isnt he giant?
but then i answeard myself: he shapeshifted to half dragon

ok super dark, to you, just repeat the MST3K Mantra to yourself, unless you suddenly start accepting that ZARAKKAN IS NOT A DND DRAGON, HE IS A ZARAKKAN DRAGON.

DnDesque world + magic wielding dragon =/= DnD

[super dark33]

then i wont see a scene of him protecting a city from anouter huge dragon?

[Mad Mask]

then i wont see a scene of him protecting a city from anouter huge dragon?

What do you mean by that?

Could you please work on your grammar and coherency?

[Mina Kobold]

What do you mean by that?

Could you please work on your grammar and coherency?

He want an epic battle between giant dragons and he won't get one because they don't get so big.

I agree, grammar and coherency needs work. Try a spell-checker too :smallsmile:

[Lord Raziere]

sorry for the slowness, I'll be getting comic 9 up soon.

[Lord Raziere]

a healthy helping o' comic 9 comin' right up me mateys.

just so ya now: that there is an actual SoDverse bird. Its called an AwkBird, it goes "Awk!" at everything.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic9.png

[Mina Kobold]

Like how our little snarker labels these types 'New elf' when he know the dragons did the same thing before them :smalltongue:

Hypocritical much?

[Lord Raziere]

Like how our little snarker labels these types 'New elf' when he know the dragons did the same thing before them :smalltongue:

Hypocritical much?

He knows its hypocritical, he is explicitly pointing out the fact fantasy type worlds have a tendency to spawn racial empires and making a history of them falling at the same time, he is just observing the pattern of history- he knows that there was probably an "Old Dragon" before there were dragons, so in a sense, Elves are the "New Dragons"......just like how someday humans will be the "New Elves"....its kind of cyclical.

[HalfTangible]

It's a very interesting story. I love dragons and i'm looking forward to future pages of this.

[super dark33]

i dont like your humor. i didnt see anything funny in it.

[Lord Raziere]

I don't like your humor. I don't see anything funny in it.

not my problem. not meant to be a "joke" webcomic like the others. its meant to tell a story and it will only try to be funny when I feel its the right moment, not try to force a joke into every comic.

you don't like it, don't read it.

[Maximum Zersk]

Oh you silly people and your need for humour in every comic. :smalltongue:

Well, this comic looks good, I'll keep reading then.

[CWater]

I actually find it funny. In a cynical/sarcastic way. I like it.:smallamused:

[Lord Raziere]

I actually find it funny. In a cynical/sarcastic way. I like it.:smallamused:

That was my intention. :smallcool:

[Lord Raziere]

aaaaannd a great serving of comic 10, up!

first milestone achieved.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/SoDcomic10.png

[Maximum Zersk]

Did he... glomp that person to death?

Also, I can't help but ask. Are you going to deconstruct any fantasy tropes and cliches? Because it feels like you're about to.

[Lord Raziere]

Did he... glomp that person to death?

Also, I can't help but ask. Are you going to deconstruct any fantasy tropes and cliches? Because it feels like you're about to.

No, see the claw at the throat? he slit the guys neck, he was too short to reach it so he jumped up and slit it in a split second.

as for deconstructing :smallbiggrin: yes, yes I will. In fact that is probably going to be like most of the comic, starting with the first villain. We are going to be seeing the second one soon. :smallwink:

[Mina Kobold]

Did he... glomp that person to death?

Also, I can't help but ask. Are you going to deconstruct any fantasy tropes and cliches? Because it feels like you're about to.

Of course he did, have you never heard of the Dragon-hug? It's a widely forbidden technique in yongkwondo :smalltongue:

Everybody is deconstructing these days, I think I'll surprise everybody by not doing so when I make my comic!

...

You didn't hear that.

[Lord Raziere]

Of course he did, have you never heard of the Dragon-hug? It's a widely forbidden technique in yongkwondo :smalltongue:

Everybody is deconstructing these days, I think I'll surprise everybody by not doing so when I make my comic!

...

You didn't hear that.

you can always reconstruct, that's the opposite, I even have a comic idea that is a reconstruction, cause after a deconstruction you have to reconstruct it so that its better see? its a cycle but a good one.

[John Cribati]

Deconstruction is basically playing out the genre as it normally would be played out, but in such a way as to point out logical flaws in the way the genre is normally played out. Reconstructing it would be making it so that these flaws are accounted for.

[HalfTangible]

Deconstruction is basically playing out the genre as it normally would be played out, but in such a way as to point out logical flaws in the way the genre is normally played out. Reconstructing it would be making it so that these flaws are accounted for.

Isn't that called 'parodying'?

[John Cribati]

Isn't that called 'parodying'?

It depends. Take Spider-Man trying to rescue a person falling from a building. Normally, he just shoots his web at the person an catches him/her mid-fall.

In one issue that I don't quite remember the number of, it played out like that, except that when he pulled the person up (He was standing at the top of the building, you see), the force of the "catch" broke her neck. That's a Deconstruction of Superheroes generally defying the laws of physics.

From then on, he would always jump, catch the person, then shoot the web to the top of the building, slowing the both of them down and leaving the person unharmed. That's a Reconstruction based on the previous Deconstruction.

[Lord Raziere]

Isn't that called 'parodying'?

parodying is just deconstruction by making jokes.

for example, if Watchmen had Dr.Manhattan be an over-the-top parody of a superman character who gone around fixing a every single little problem of society with his powers while Rorshach was just a a guy who suspected conspiracy everywhere and gone around to people going "Have YOU been naughty?" in a santa costume while the police were incompetent slackers who just complained about the superheroes being annoying all day, THAT would've been a parody.

[Maximum Zersk]

parodying is just deconstruction by making jokes.


Close. A Parody is when you just make fun of the series and how ridiculous it can be, or at the plot and characters. A deconstruction is showing how certain things in the genre or something are bad and couldn't work. A deconstructive parody is when you mix both of those things together. And then a Reconstruction is as you said before.

For Example: Bokurano and Neon Genesis Evangelion are deconstructions. Bobobo-bo Bobobo is a Parody. Don Quixote is a Deconstructive Parody.

[Lord Raziere]

I heard bokurano is just a NGE ripoff -_- that is even worse than its predecessor.

bobobo? I've watched that. wanted to apply fire to my brain afterwards, what was it even parodying? it was so random.

[John Cribati]

I heard bokurano is just a NGE ripoff -_- that is even worse than its predecessor.

bobobo? I've watched that. wanted to apply fire to my brain afterwards, what was it even parodying? it was so random.

Guys with ridiculous hair? Scientifically implausible martial arts? Random crap? I'd say it's parodying 90% of Shonen anime.

[Maximum Zersk]

I heard bokurano is just a NGE ripoff -_- that is even worse than its predecessor.

bobobo? I've watched that. wanted to apply fire to my brain afterwards, what was it even parodying? it was so random.

If by "worse" you mean even more depressing, yes. Interestingly, it has a happier ending for earth.

Bobobo parodies a lot of things, but mainly Fist of the North Star.

Gettit? Fist of the North Star, Fist of the Nose Hair? A pun?

[Lord Raziere]

If by "worse" you mean even more depressing, yes. Interestingly, it has a happier ending for earth.

Bobobo parodies a lot of things, but mainly Fist of the North Star.

Gettit? Fist of the North Star, Fist of the Nose Hair? A pun?

its EXACTLY what I mean. and I don't care, if there is ANYTHING more depressing than NGE out there, I'm not watching it, there is a limit.

eh, never watched Fist o' No Stair.

[Maximum Zersk]

Well, to each their own, I guess.

Anyway, this is getting quite off-topic. What were we talking about? Oh, yes, the comic.

[Lord Raziere]

yes, the comic.

how about the comic's universe in general?

you see, as said before in the comic that it exists in a Multiverse- a place where millions of planes exist alongside each other separated by planar boundaries. This is of course all done by magical energy. what kind however is kind of strange- both DnD "universal arcane magic/divine magic" and Mt:G " five colors mana magic" both exist in this the SoD's Multiverse, why this is however is mysterious and questioning "why" is like saying "Why does gravity and magnetism exist?", some people have come up with explanations for it but they have no proof.
also there WON'T be medieval stasis here, technology does progress and may even progress faster with magic around and may even go in weird directions that wouldn't be possible without it. However there are also groups that hate magic or technology and see one or the other as unnatural here and there, their reasons why are varied.
gods however are specific to one plane, the gods of one plane have no business on another- at least without reasonable justification, believers with a method planar traveling can allow a god to go to other planes but they can't explicitly order the believer to do so, it just isn't done.

also not all the planes are isolated from each other- there are chunks of the universe where planes have formed working trade networks and ambassadorial relationships with one another, however they are careful about introducing new planes to their chunk, massive culture shock can ensue if the first impression isn't handled well.

[CWater]

Innteresting, you have built a nice environment for your story, I dare say.:smallamused:

[Lord Raziere]

hmph.

ok, bad news y'all: I am distancing myself from GitP. Lets just say I have a big mouth and it disagrees with the Mods. the rules here seem a little too stifling for me and thats all I'm gonna say about it here.

however that doesn't mean this comic's gonna go down, it'll just be moved, to somewhere where I can express my opinions more freely. however before I do, I'll ask you if there is any way to easily make my own webcomic site or if you know any good place to go to.

the wanderer keeps on wandering....

[Mina Kobold]

hmph.

ok, bad news y'all: I am distancing myself from GitP. Lets just say I have a big mouth and it disagrees with the Mods. the rules here seem a little too stifling for me and thats all I'm gonna say about it here.

however that doesn't mean this comic's gonna go down, it'll just be moved, to somewhere where I can express my opinions more freely. however before I do, I'll ask you if there is any way to easily make my own webcomic site or if you know any good place to go to.

the wanderer keeps on wandering....

One more, sigh.

Everybody is leaving all of sudden, Xarty, Brighty, I -know-who and now you.

Dark times are ahead when our artists leave us :smallfrown:

[HalfTangible]

*sigh* it's too bad. i was enjoying this comic. But, i understand the reasoning even if i don't understand it's basis.

[Salty]

however that doesn't mean this comic's gonna go down, it'll just be moved, to somewhere where I can express my opinions more freely. however before I do, I'll ask you if there is any way to easily make my own webcomic site or if you know any good place to go to.

Try Comicfury (http://comicfury.com/index.php). It's great. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

One more, sigh.

Everybody is leaving all of sudden, Xarty, Brighty, I -know-who and now you.

Dark times are ahead when our artists leave us :smallfrown:

its not really the forum thats the problem- some stuff just comes outta my mouth that is too offensive for the mods ok? got me too many infractions too quickly, might as well get out while I still can before my big mouth gets me banned forever and you end up with no artist at all.

I mean perhaps all these people are just the kind of people that don't mesh well with forum rules? I think they just happened realize this all at the same time and left while they could, and its better this way, if I got banned, there would be no way to communicate where I'm going so that you could view it further.

besides I think all artist don't like to deal with the rules, too much free expression and noticing stuff others don't. :smallwink:

might come back to post an FI comic now and then though, I said was distancing myself, not that I was leaving completely, I'm just on guard now and preparing for the worst- if I DO get banned you'll know where the comic is. but don't focus on that, hope for the best; hope that I'm smart enough to learn from my mistakes and someday come back without get myself into trouble.

[Mina Kobold]

its not really the forum thats the problem- some stuff just comes outta my mouth that is too offensive for the mods ok? got me too many infractions too quickly, might as well get out while I still can before my big mouth gets me banned forever and you end up with no artist at all.

I mean perhaps all these people are just the kind of people that don't mesh well with forum rules? I think they just happened realize this all at the same time and left while they could, and its better this way, if I got banned, there would be no way to communicate where I'm going so that you could view it further.

besides I think all artist don't like to deal with the rules, too much free expression and noticing stuff others don't. :smallwink:

might come back to post an FI comic now and then though, I said was distancing myself, not that I was leaving completely, I'm just on guard now and preparing for the worst- if I DO get banned you'll know where the comic is. but don't focus on that, hope for the best; hope that I'm smart enough to learn from my mistakes and someday come back without get myself into trouble.

I was like that too once, now I'm a hippie...

I don't know but they never seemed to do anything infraction worthy to me, I don't keep an eye on everything though.

I don't mind dealing with rules, makes the experience more fun in my opinion.
And yes, I'm an artist. I will make my own comic to prove it one day!

Yeah but it's still a bad omen along with all the others, I must check the tarot cards and the position of the sarts quickly! :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

well I wouldn't worry too much, I'm just being careful here, taking a step back looking at the situation rationally so I can figure it out to make it better.

after further thinking, methinks the infractions I incurred were mostly because of not thinking my words through, if I learn to second-think more often maybe I might be able to avoid being banned.

that and stay out of the D20 roleplaying forum. it seems to be the most argumentative.

[Lord Raziere]

here is comic 11 on the new site:

SoD comic 11 (http://storyofdragon.thecomicseries.com/comics/)

sorry for copy and pasting, this comic isn't that important, aside from the info the elven wizard gives.

[Teutonic Knight]

I think your recent loudmouthing and infractions might be the side effect of the longer hair your avatar has now. Is he going through puberty? :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Raziere]

I think your recent loudmouthing and infractions might be the side effect of the longer hair your avatar has now. Is he going through puberty? :smallbiggrin:

Please refrain from all comments unless they are on topic, Namely, commenting upon the comic and not my personal issues.

[Teutonic Knight]

I'm sorry sir.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate if the dragon held them hostage with a magic cage or something. He could then move the cage with them still inside to toss them out the window. Instead it just looks like he's giving them a hug or hanging on the back of their neck, given OotS style and all.

Looking at again, I realize that he's not that powerful yet, I think.

[Lord Raziere]

correct. At this stage he has to rely more on his wits than his magic- the comic would be boring if I let Zarakkan solve all his problems in only one way, namely magic. I'm aiming for a flexible protagonist- you have already saw the many flaws he has, so one of his strengths I'm giving him is that he ain't a one-trick pony- he is someone who uses whatever works at the time.

besides if he was that powerful already, he wouldn't NEED to do this, he would already have all the magic he needed to get what he wanted: get off his home plane.

[Lord Raziere]

COMIC 12! UP! (http://storyofdragon.webcomic.ws/comics/)

There is an obvious reference in this comic. can YOU spot it?

[Mina Kobold]

COMIC 12! UP! (http://storyofdragon.webcomic.ws/comics/)

There is an obvious reference in this comic. can YOU spot it?

I did indeed catch it, mellon :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

I did indeed catch it, mellon :smalltongue:

Think I should take it one step further and make their entire language out of fruits and veggies?

[HalfTangible]

Think I should take it one step further and make their entire language out of fruits and veggies?

Misspelled froots and vegtabells.

[Mina Kobold]

Think I should take it one step further and make their entire language out of fruits and veggies?

I'd make it plant related instead if I were you (Or maybe I am?)

Fruits for people (friends, intruder, parent, lover), vegetables for something else (Animals, perhaps?) and so on.

That way it as a structure and is very silly :smalltongue:


Misspelled froots and vegtabells.

Mellon is actually unrelated to the fruit, Tolkien was an expert on the history of languages.

In fact, some fans have found a time period in human history where every mention of time, date and language evolution fit perfectly.

He was that good.

[HalfTangible]

Mellon is actually unrelated to the fruit, Tolkien was an expert on the history of languages.

In fact, some fans have found a time period in human history where every mention of time, date and language evolution fit perfectly.

He was that good.

it's called a 'joke'. You know Keveak, that thing that you call 'living and breathing' >.>

[Mina Kobold]

it's called a 'joke'. You know Keveak, that thing that you call 'living and breathing' >.>

I know it's a joke, I just wanted make sure that you knew that Tolkien wasn't basing a language off of fruit.

No matter how awesome it would have been :smalltongue:

Why'd I call joking 'living and breathing'?

That'd just get it confused with 'nonsense and artsy-doodling' :smalltongue:

[Lord Raziere]

Comic 13 UP! (http://storyofdragon.webcomic.ws/comics/)

[Lord Raziere]

Comic 14 Up. (http://storyofdragon.webcomic.ws/comics/)

what do people think of the comic so far?

[Zefir]

In my opinion it isn't bad, if the story goes on I could say more. But I am not sure if you have to move to the Web-Comic section.