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tundrawalker1
2010-06-25, 11:33 AM
Hey gang. Are there any Prestige Classes that a wizard can enter before 5th level. My build that I am working on now is

Level 1: Wizard
Level 2: Wizard
Level 3: Wizard
Level 4: Wizard
Level 5: Wizard
Level 6: Incantator
Level 7: Incantator
Level 8: Incantator
Level 9: Incantator
Level 10: Sacred Exorcist
Level 11: Inititate
Level 12: Inititate
Level 13: Inititate
Level 14: Inititate
Level 15: Inititate
Level 16: Inititate
Level 17: Inititate
Level 18: Archmage
Level 19: Archmage
Level 20: Archmage


I am wondering if there are any PrCs that I could us for level 3-5. Thanks.

Caliphbubba
2010-06-25, 11:35 AM
Master Specialist I think you can get into at 4th?

Edit: yeah Master Specialist you can get into at 4th level.

3rd level if you use early entry cheese I think.

it's in complete mage

tundrawalker1
2010-06-25, 11:52 AM
Master Specialist I think you can get into at 4th?

Edit: yeah Master Specialist you can get into at 4th level.

3rd level if you use early entry cheese I think.

it's in complete mage

Yes, that is one. Only problem is you need to be a specialist wizard which I have decided against. I had originally decided to be a MS but after long thought, I decided to leave the MS behind and go with a domain wizard.

Akal Saris
2010-06-25, 01:14 PM
The only 2 that I know both require specialist wizard.

mabriss lethe
2010-06-25, 01:22 PM
I'm AFB, but I believe you can get into Anima Mage (without special-iffy shenanigans as a 1st level Binder/3rd level Wizard with the Improved Binding feat.)

Caliphbubba
2010-06-25, 01:43 PM
I'm AFB, but I believe you can get into Anima Mage (without special-iffy shenanigans as a 1st level Binder/3rd level Wizard with the Improved Binding feat.)

Pretty sure this is correct. Could theoretically use early entry cheese on the wizard side to I think and get into Anima Mage at level 3. Probably have to have flaws to do that though.

Kosjsjach
2010-06-25, 02:41 PM
I'll mention it for the sake of completeness: with some finagling, you can enter the Mystic Theurge PrC at level 4. My preferred method requires being an Illumian with Improved Sigil (Krau); you lose one wizard SKL (spells known level), but you gain the divine spellcasting SKL of a character 2 levels lower and your CL (caster level) is topped off for both.

The race and the feat are both from Races of Destiny.

tundrawalker1
2010-06-25, 03:06 PM
This is what the build looks like with feats:

Level 1: Wizard 1 (Improved Initiative -in place of Scribe Scroll-, Spell Focus Abjuration, Greater Spell Focus: Aburation -flaw-, Collegiate Wizard -flaw-)
Level 2: Wizard 2
Level 3: Wizard 3 (Heighten Spell)
Level 4: Wizard 4
Level 5: Wizard 5 (Granted Domain Power: Planning - Extend Spell)
Level 6: Incantator 1 (Twin Spell, Leadership)
Level 7: Incantator 2 (Co-operative Metamagic)
Level 8: Incantator 3
Level 9: Incantator 4 (Quicken Spell, Skill Focus: Spellcraft)
Level 10: Sacred Exorcist 1
Level 11: IOTSV 1
Level 12: IOTSV 2 (Maximize Spell)
Level 13: IOTSV 3
Level 14: IOTSV 4
Level 15: IOTSV 5 (Spell Focus: Necromancy)
Level 16: IOTSV 6
Level 17: IOTSV 7
Level 18: Archmage 1 (Persist Spell)
Level 19: Archmage 2
Level 20: Archmage 3

Race is Illumian which is why the Sacred Exorcist is in there. Also we have a LA4 for free and I am going with Lich so I can then be spellstitched. I don't think I can get rid of the wizard levels 4-5 as the build is tight for feats and there doesn't appear to be any PrCs that would fill in for those two levels.

Any suggestions on tweaking?

mabriss lethe
2010-06-25, 03:29 PM
Pretty sure this is correct. Could theoretically use early entry cheese on the wizard side to I think and get into Anima Mage at level 3. Probably have to have flaws to do that though.

Technically,(and unless there's an errata I don't know about) due to the odd wording of the PrC's requirements, you could enter it without taking a level of binder at all. You'd just have to take the Bind Vestige and Improved Bind Vestige feats. (The PrC states that you only need to be able to bind a vestige of 2nd level, whereas all of the other binder PrCs specifically require the Soulbinding class feature to enter.) Doing it this way is sort of wonky and I have no idea how to work the dual progression.

Optimystik
2010-06-25, 04:58 PM
Technically,(and unless there's an errata I don't know about) due to the odd wording of the PrC's requirements, you could enter it without taking a level of binder at all. You'd just have to take the Bind Vestige and Improved Bind Vestige feats. (The PrC states that you only need to be able to bind a vestige of 2nd level, whereas all of the other binder PrCs specifically require the Soulbinding class feature to enter.) Doing it this way is sort of wonky and I have no idea how to work the dual progression.

The dual progression works as though your anima mage levels were binder levels. This is because of the strange wording of the ability:


Soul Binding Bonus: At each Anima Mage level, your soul binding ability improves as if you had also gained a level in the Binder class. Your anima mage levels and binder levels stack for the purpose of determining your bonus on binding checks, the effectiveness of your vestige-granted abilities, your ability to bind higher-level vestiges, and the number of vestiges you can bind.

Your anima mage levels and binder levels stack; In other words, your 10 anima mage levels stack on top of your 0 Binder levels to give you the binding of a level 10 Binder. You can then retrain the Binding feats that got you in, because the PrC qualifies for itself.

This is an exceedingly weird, highly cheesy yet totally RAW-legal reading.

It gets worse with a couple of adaptations. Use the Anima Mage Adaptation (page 53) to convert the class for clerics, and then use your Anima Mage levels to qualify for Tenebrous Apostate. Then use TA's Adaptation (page 66) to keep yourself from having to worship Tenebrous (his domains suck.) You can switch instead to a deity of death with better domains, like Vecna or the Dark Six.