Khellendross
2010-06-27, 03:02 PM
Okay so I'm reading the book and on page 73 there is a Male great wyrm Silver dragon monk 1/Hidecarved Dragon 9 that is CR30. Seems like a pretty powerful combatant.
Under his attack options it lists this.
Melee bite +58/58 (4d8+23) with flurry of blows and
2 claws +56 each (4d6+14) and
2 wings +56 each (2d8+14) and
tail slap +56 (4d6+32)
My rm seems to think this isn't allowed but I don't see a problem with it. The SRD say this about flurry of blows
Flurry of Blows (Ex)When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a -2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round. The resulting modified base attack bonuses are shown in the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus column on Table: The Monk. This penalty applies for 1 round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the monk might make before her next action. When a monk reaches 5th level, the penalty lessens to -1, and at 9th level it disappears. A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). She may attack with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons interchangeably as desired. When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus × 1½ or ×½) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands. The monk can’t use any weapon other than a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows.
In the case of the quarterstaff, each end counts as a separate weapon for the purpose of using the flurry of blows ability. Even though the quarterstaff requires two hands to use, a monk may still intersperse unarmed strikes with quarterstaff strikes, assuming that she has enough attacks in her flurry of blows routine to do so.
I guess you could rule the bite isn't a monk weapons but it does say the monk weapon is interchangeable and a monks unarmed attacks are considered natural attacks so is it really breaking the rules as written that you couldn't use your bite since it's your primary natural attack with flurry of blows.
I think what they did was legit because of this line
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons. It doesn't say unarmed strikes with a hyperlink to unarmed attack but just unarmed strikes which could very well be read as unarmed attacks which a bite is.
Whats your opinion?
Under his attack options it lists this.
Melee bite +58/58 (4d8+23) with flurry of blows and
2 claws +56 each (4d6+14) and
2 wings +56 each (2d8+14) and
tail slap +56 (4d6+32)
My rm seems to think this isn't allowed but I don't see a problem with it. The SRD say this about flurry of blows
Flurry of Blows (Ex)When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a -2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round. The resulting modified base attack bonuses are shown in the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus column on Table: The Monk. This penalty applies for 1 round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the monk might make before her next action. When a monk reaches 5th level, the penalty lessens to -1, and at 9th level it disappears. A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). She may attack with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons interchangeably as desired. When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus × 1½ or ×½) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands. The monk can’t use any weapon other than a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows.
In the case of the quarterstaff, each end counts as a separate weapon for the purpose of using the flurry of blows ability. Even though the quarterstaff requires two hands to use, a monk may still intersperse unarmed strikes with quarterstaff strikes, assuming that she has enough attacks in her flurry of blows routine to do so.
I guess you could rule the bite isn't a monk weapons but it does say the monk weapon is interchangeable and a monks unarmed attacks are considered natural attacks so is it really breaking the rules as written that you couldn't use your bite since it's your primary natural attack with flurry of blows.
I think what they did was legit because of this line
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons. It doesn't say unarmed strikes with a hyperlink to unarmed attack but just unarmed strikes which could very well be read as unarmed attacks which a bite is.
Whats your opinion?