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Scorpina
2010-07-05, 12:24 PM
I've never been much good at optimisation myself, and I've been wondering of late if it's actually possible to build a decent gish character using only the core 3.5 classes (i.e, no Hexblade or Duskblade or whatnot). Given the bad reputation classes like Eldritch Knight and Arcane Archer seem to have, I'm thinking the answer might be 'no'.

Does anyone disagree?

The Glyphstone
2010-07-05, 12:26 PM
Fighter 2/Wizard 8/Eldritch Knight 10 gets 9th level spells at level 20, and ends up with a +16 BAB. I think that's the best you can really get in terms of the true 'gish' definition (BAB16+ and 9th level spells).

Saph
2010-07-05, 12:28 PM
Fighter 2/Wizard 8/Eldritch Knight 10 gets 9th level spells at level 20, and ends up with a +16 BAB. I think that's the best you can really get in terms of the true 'gish' definition (BAB16+ and 9th level spells).

This. It won't be as good as a noncore gish, but it's perfectly playable.

deuxhero
2010-07-05, 12:33 PM
Paladin 2/Sorc/eld knight is also playable, but not as good.

Prodan
2010-07-05, 12:34 PM
Barbarian 4/Fighter 2/Sorcerer2/DD4/Barbarian 8

Paladin 2/Sorcerer 6/ EK10/DD2

Paladin 2/Sorcerer 6/EK10/Sorcerer2

Paladin 2/Bard 8/EK10

Paladin 2/ Bard 4/DD6/Bard4/EK4

Rogue 5/Assassin9/EK6

Rogue 5/Assassin9/DD6

Optimystik
2010-07-05, 12:39 PM
Druid 20 with Natural Spell is also an excellent gish - you don't get +16 BAB that way, but it doesn't really matter since natural attacks don't get iteratives based on BAB anyway.

Totally Guy
2010-07-05, 12:44 PM
Barbarian 4/Fighter 2/Sorcerer2/DD4/Barbarian 8

Paladin 2/Sorcerer 6/ EK10/DD2

Paladin 2/ Bard 4/DD6/Bard4/EK4

Rogue 5/Assassin9/DD6

DD is Dwarven Defender?

Prodan
2010-07-05, 12:45 PM
Try again.

Optimystik
2010-07-05, 12:48 PM
Dragon Di... Deehee... Heeheehee...

Totally Guy
2010-07-05, 12:54 PM
That things core too... Right. :redface:

Greenish
2010-07-05, 12:59 PM
Cleric 20. Extend or quicken necessary buffs.

Optimystik
2010-07-05, 01:01 PM
Cleric 20. Extend or quicken necessary buffs.

Don't forget proper domain/deity choice to get a martial/exotic weapon.