The Great Roy Greenhilt & Everybody Else Facepalm Count

[Larkspur]

Facepalms for all, running totals, locations, and whose fault it was:

Roy - 20:

1. Panel 11 of 22 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0022.html) (Belkar)
2. Panel 8 of 80 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html) (Elan).
3. Panel 5 of 140 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0140.html) (Belkar)
4. Panel 4 of 227 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0227.html) (Elan)
5. Panel 6 of 231 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0231.html) (Elan)
6. Panel 7 of 263 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0263.html) (Belkar, in absentia)
7. Panel 6 of 291 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0291.html) (Eugene, ruled a facepalm by majority vote)
8. Panel 11 of 320 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0320.html) (Transport Security Administration)
9. Bonus Comic 323a - Durkon
10. Panel 9 of 337 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0337.html) (Nale)
11. Panel 12 of 410 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0410.html) (Hinjo)
12. Panel 10 of 411 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0410.html) (Belkar)
13. Panel 12 of 420 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0420.html) (Belkar)
14. Panel 17 of 530 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0530.html) (Celia)
15. Panel 23 of 531 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0531.html) (Celia and Haley)
16. Panel 18 of 602 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0602.html) (Rich, for failing to give Durkon distinguishing characteristics)
17. Bonus Comic 665a (Elan)
18. Panel 5 of 676 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0676.html) (Belkar)
19. Panel 6 of 698 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0698.html) (V)
20. Panel 12 of 733 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0733.html) (Durkon)

Haley - 9:

1. Panel 7 of 428 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0428.html) (Roy and Hinjo)
2. Panel 4 of 475 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html) (Belkar)
3. Panel 12 of 539 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0539.html) (Celia and Belkar)
4. Panel 10 of 540 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0540.html) (Celia and Belkar)
5. Panel 2 of 568 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html) (Belkar)
6. Panel 12 of 614 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0614.html) (Celia)
7. Bonus Comic 642c (Crystal)
8. Panel 6 of 649 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0649.html) (Durkon)
9. Panel 7 of 694 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0694.html) (Girard)

V - 1:

1. Panel 3 of 596 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0596.html) (Elan)

Hinjo - 2:

1. Panel 18 of 413 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0413.html) (O-Chul/Whoever compiled the figurine assortment)
2. Panel 5 of 572f (Elan)

Xykon - 2:

1. Panel 9 of 96 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html) (MitD)
2. Panel 9 of 196 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html) (MitD)

Redlcoak - 3:

1. Panel 12 of 95 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0095.html) (Xykon)
2. Panel 4 of 371 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0371.html) (MitD)
3. Panel 3 of 648 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html) (Elven insurgents)

Nale -1:

1. Panel 10 of 256 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0256.html) (Thog)

Director Lee - 1:

1. Panel 11 of 667 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0667.html) (Tiamat)


Most Exasperating Characters, as measured by facepalms caused*:

Belkar (10)
Elan (6)
Celia (5)
Durkon and the MitD (3)
Hinjo (2)
Roy, Eugene, Nale, Haley, V, Crystal, Girard, O-Chul, Xykon, Elven Insurgents, Thog, Tiamat, Rich Burlew, the Transport Security Administration and Miniature Compilation Guy (1)

Belkar is winning by a landslide, which should surprise no one.

* Study not controlled for screentime or differing forms of expressing exasperation- V and Redcloak especially tend to throw up their hands and start screaming at people instead of facepalming, and Miko seems to induce stabbing rather than facepalming in her listeners, so the sample is a bit biased.

Comics already searched:

100-300 for Roy
1-100, 300--672 for everyone

(Although we may have missed a few!)


To people adding to the count- please include the range of comics you looked through and for what, so we don't waste effort on redundant searches.

(For instance, "Here's Xykon in Comic Y and I looked for everyone in comics X through Z" or "Here's Roy in Comic Q and I looked only for Roy in P through R" or "Here's V in Comic J, no search"

[somethingrandom]

There none in 101-200 unless you count panel 8 of 153 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0153.html)

Edit: When I cheeked it the thread on mentioned Roy's facepalms and those were the only one I was looking for so there could be facepalms by other characters in 101-200

[Ajadea]

Don't forget today's comic! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0733.html)

[Bongos]

Episode #676, the Sex Taint (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0676.html)

[veti]

Panel 8 of 153 - may be a facepalm moment, but the gesture isn't there.

From 201-300, I give you:

Panel 4 of 227 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0227.html)
Panel 6 of 291 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0291.html).

[tassaron]

291 isn't a facepalm, it's just Roy throwing up his hands in a way that happens to overlap with his face somewhat.

[Bongos]

I think 291 qualifies; looks to me as if one hand is face palming and the other is up in the air.

[Gift Jeraff]

Two ethereal facepalms in a row!:

#530 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0530.html)
#531 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0531.html)

And another (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0602.html), for good measure.

[Cealocanth]

The facepalms don't show up that often. After this is done can we count the amount of times roy's said "-sigh-"?

[KoboldRevenge]

or other peoples faceplams

[LuPuWei]

So that's 7 + 1 in 291 that's debatable. Does he have more than Picard yet?


Two ethereal facepalms in a row!:

#530 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0530.html)
#531 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0531.html)

And another (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0602.html), for good measure.

Those were times that tried Roy's soul....

[Manga Shoggoth]

or other peoples faceplams

Roy's Archon, for example.

[Vaarsuvius4181]

291 isn't a facepalm, it's just Roy throwing up his hands in a way that happens to overlap with his face somewhat.

No, with one hand he is facepalming and with the other he is just reaching back. It qualifies in my opinion.

[ChrisFortyTwo]

Roy's Archon, for example.

No kidding, that guy is the king of facepalm -- well, he would be, if he had palms ...or a face

[Gwynfrid]

I'm sure there are plenty more. For example that was low for a paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0410.html) and you've got to be kidding me (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0411.html).

[LuPuWei]

I'm sure there are plenty more. For example that was low for a paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0410.html) and you've got to be kidding me (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0411.html).

And the count goes to 10!

[St Fan]

Damn, you guys were actually serious about starting this...

For other people's facepalms, already noted at TV Tropes are:

Hinjo in #413. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0413.html)

And Xykon doing two skull-phalanxes in #96 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html) and #196 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html) because of the MitD.

[LuPuWei]

Roy - 10

Xykon - 2

Hinjo - 1

Xykon might be the most chilled out evil-overlord lich in the world, but even his bony face hits his bony palm somtimes...

[Sutremaine]

No, with one hand he is facepalming and with the other he is just reaching back. It qualifies in my opinion.
It looks to me more like he's putting a hand to his temple in an attempt to protect his brain from the mental images.

[Gwynfrid]

11: please tell me this isn't about that bird again. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0698.html)

[Gray Mage]

And in 95 we see a RC one in the last panel (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0095.html).
Also, if we're going to count every facepalm, we should probably change the thread title and update the first post.

[Zeitgeist]

Please edit a compilation into the first post, I find this amusing! Would make a funny montage video.

[Larkspur]

Okay, gang; compilation for everyone is up top.

ETA:

300-400 are now searched for everyone, giving us:

Roy, now up to 12:

Panel 9 of 337 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0337.html) (Nale)

Redcloak, now up to 2:
Panel 4 of 371 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0371.html) (MitD)

[Gray Mage]

Roy:
80/panel 8 (Elan). (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html)

It's the only one left for anyone in 1-100, I belive.

[Gwynfrid]

Haley - 539 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0539.html) - Celia and Belkar
Haley - 540 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0540.html) - Celia and Belkar
Haley - 568 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html) - Belkar
V - 596 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0596.html) - Elan
Haley - 614 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0614.html) - Celia
Roy - bonus comic 665a - Elan
Lee - 667 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0667.html) - Tiamat

(I quickly went through Don't Split the Party, #485 to #672, but I may have missed some).

[Bongos]

So that's 13 for Roy? Someone needs to make a compilations strip.

[Gift Jeraff]

(I quickly went through Don't Split the Party, #485 to #672, but I may have missed some).

Hinjo @ Elan - Panel 5 of 572f

[Gray Mage]

420/panel 12 ( belkar) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0420.html) for Roy.

And two for Haley 428 panel 7(Hinjo and Roy or only Hinjo?) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0428.html) and 475 panel 4( Belkar) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html)

So now we have 15 for Roy and 6 for Haley.Also I checked 400-484 so now 400-672 is checked for everyone.

[Gwynfrid]

Haley - 714 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0694.html) - Girard
Redcloak - 694 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html) - Elven insurgents
V (no gesture because can't move, but in this case that's a minor detail imho) - 708 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0714.html) - Blackwing

[LuPuWei]

When Rich first drew OotS I'm sure he never imagined anything like this. (I wonder if he's facepalmed about this yet)

But, hey, personally? Veally Vundabar:smallbiggrin:

Also, Roy, #263 panel 7, thanks to Elan. Haven't had time to search any others.

[Gwynfrid]

Huh, I did miss several from DStP, even though having the book helps a lot... I expect we aren't done, not even close.

Haley - bonus comic 642c - Crystal
Haley - 649 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0649.html) - Durkon

[Gwynfrid]

Here's a bunch from NCFTPB (does it show I have lots of time on my hands these days ?)

V - 126 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0126.html) - Elan and Belkar
Roy - 140 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0140.html) - Belkar
Belkar (yes, even Belkar!) - 223 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html) - V
Roy - 231 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0231.html) - Elan
Haley - 250 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0250.html) - Miko
Nale - 256 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0256.html) - Thog


Also, Roy, #263 panel 7, thanks to Elan.
I beg to differ. This one is thanks to Belkar, who proves he can be exasperating even when absent. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0263.html) In this panel, Elan his on the same page as Roy, although he expresses it in a different way.

And so Miko and Thog enter the roster of Most Exasperating Characters as Ranked by Facepalms Caused. And Belkar extends his already sizeable lead.

[RndmNumGen]

I'm not sure I would count 1, 3, and 5 as facepalms. 1 looks like V is pulling her hair out, 3 seems more like Belkar gripping his face, and 5 seems like Haley is raisign her hands in exasperation.

[LuPuWei]

I beg to differ. This one is thanks to Belkar, who proves he can be exasperating even when absent. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0263.html) In this panel, Elan his on the same page as Roy, although he expresses it in a different way.


Oh riiiiiight.....:smallredface:

@RndmNumGen I agree on V and Haley, however, 231 is totally a facepalm for Roy, its just that he's lying down :smallbiggrin:

I searched a bit for an O Chul facepalm (the one about Scruffy's lunch and the one with the Elven Gas) but no luck. Seems the Great One is not prone to such insignificant expressions of exasperation.

[Larkspur]

126, 223 and 250 are all head-clutches, not facepalms, as ruled by the supreme judge of the compilation, ie. me. But I admire your diligence, Gwynfrid!

Keep up the good work, everyone. :smallbiggrin:

[Gwynfrid]

126, 223 and 250 are all head-clutches, not facepalms, as ruled by the supreme judge of the compilation, ie. me. But I admire your diligence, Gwynfrid!

Keep up the good work, everyone. :smallbiggrin:

Thanks.

However, I'd like to file a motion for appeal. The difference in the gesture's appearance, as drawn in stick figures, is minuscule. In spirit, there is no difference at all. Plus, remember you already accepted V's "can't move but the spirit is there" facepalm.

That said, you're the OP and I acknowledge you have the final say.

[Gray Mage]

Well, I think we should set a criteria of what is a facepalm, so that there won't be too much of a diference of opinions. Plus I would take off V's "in spirt" facepalm, or we would have to add all ocasions were Roy went *sigh*.

[St Fan]

I agree that the stick figures makes facepalms not as obvious as you'd expect with other styles, so there will be necessarily some subjectivity.

Note also that the definition of facepalm on TV Tropes is rather wide, including other gesture of exasperation like pinching the bridge of the nose or pulling down a hat over the face.

And of course, there's the double-facepalm, which with stick figures would be difficult to tell apart from a head-clutch.

[Gwynfrid]

A few more:

Haley - 309 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html) - herself; this is a double facepalm to me, and again, the spirit is there, but if you want to be strict on the appearance, you might rule it out.
Roy - 320 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0320.html) - Transport Security Administration
Roy - 323a - Durkon

[LuPuWei]

And of course, there's the double-facepalm, which with stick figures would be difficult to tell apart from a head-clutch.

Yes, but shouldn't the head generally be hanging? Can a face palm really be a face palm if your face is skyward?
In which case this:


...
Haley - 309 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html) - herself; this is a double facepalm to me, and again, the spirit is there, but if you want to be strict on the appearance, you might rule it out.
...

Would be a facepalm, but the earlier Miko-induced one would be a head-clutch...

[Bongos]

Yes certainly a 'sigh' does not equal a facepalm.

I would define a facepalm thusly.

facepalm:
an action where one or both hands touch the face as an expression of exasperation, resignation, frustration or similar emotion.

[Larkspur]

However, I'd like to file a motion for appeal. The difference in the gesture's appearance, as drawn in stick figures, is minuscule.

I'm rejecting the appeal for the time being, but I will release the full ruling :smallwink::

As a general rule, facepalming is done to express exasperated dismay or exhaustion at dealing with other people's crap. It's rarely (never?) accompanied by angry eyebrows. It's also generally a one-handed gesture.

126 fulfills the exasperation criterion, but it's two-handed and accompanied by angry eyebrows. It's arguably a double-facepalm, but V's hands are also pretty low for a faceplam. Of the three it's the closest, but I think there's enough odd factors that it shouldn't count.

223 clearly doesn't qualify; Belkar is expressing horror and confusion, not exasperation, he's got both hands up, and he has horrified eyebrows rather than no eyebrows or skeptical/resigned eyebrows as one would expect in a facepalm situation.

250 is more frustration than exasperation, IMO, it's two handed, Haley's head is pointed up, and she has angry eyebrows, and her mouth is open, presumably to utter some unrecorded scream of frustration. Facepalming and screaming don't mix well; try it and you'll see what I mean. Again, it's eliminated by a preponderance of irregularities.

I'm going to rule against 309 too, because it's two handed, Haley's got angry eyebrows and one hand at least is clearly clutching her hair, which suggests to me that the other one is probably clutching too, just at the side of her face. I suppose it could be a joint hair-clutch/facepalm, but that seems to me less likely- once you've got enough tension in one hand to clutch at your hair, it's hard to relax the other enough for a proper facepalm- and by the placement it's more of an earpalm, anyway.

To make our list definitive, I agree we probably shouldn't allow V's facepalm-in-spirit, so I've axed that one.

I'm not sure we need an actual written standard- there are few enough cases we can debate them individually if disagreements arise.

[Gwynfrid]

I'm rejecting the appeal for the time being, but I will release the full ruling :smallwink::

As a general rule, facepalming is done to express exasperated dismay or exhaustion at dealing with other people's crap. It's rarely (never?) accompanied by angry eyebrows. It's also generally a one-handed gesture.

(...)

I'm not sure we need an actual written standard- there are few enough cases we can debate them individually if disagreements arise.

Thanks for taking the time to explain in such detail. This is a pretty good clarification of the term. By the way, this thread is the first time I've ever heard of "facepalm" (non-native English speaker here). So, much appreciated.

[St Fan]

Yes, but shouldn't the head generally be hanging? Can a face palm really be a face palm if your face is skyward?


For a normal facepalm, the head hanging is most common. However, a double-facepalm tend to be more extreme, so it would be just as expected to throw the head backward along with it. Here's an example. (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Wakfu_Facepalm_9735.jpg)

[Bongos]

Yeah, I think it's perfectly acceptable for a facepalm to have the head tilted back, feel more like a facepalm of despair, or resignation. The palm usually goes over the eyes or is on the temple or forehead.

[LuPuWei]

For a normal facepalm, the head hanging is most common. However, a double-facepalm tend to be more extreme, so it would be just as expected to throw the head backward along with it. Here's an example. (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Wakfu_Facepalm_9735.jpg)

Your link did not work.


Yeah, I think it's perfectly acceptable for a facepalm to have the head tilted back, feel more like a facepalm of despair, or resignation. The palm usually goes over the eyes or is on the temple.

I don't think we should classify any gesture involving a touch to the head/face as a facepalm. Facepalm's generally seem to be more about frustration over someone else's stupidity. Even if it looks like a facepalm in a stick figure drawing, I don't think someone standing over a grave with their head in their hands should be considered a facepalm.

I just persoanlly can't imagine myself throwing my head back and facepalming in exhasperation. Despair yes, anger, maybe- but not during a 'facepalm' moment...

[Bongos]

You are right, a facepalm has to be accompanied by the proper emotion. I feel the head back facepalm is a perfectly valid variation. It happens all the time.

[LuPuWei]

You are right, a facepalm has to be accompanied by the proper emotion. I feel the head back facepalm is a perfectly valid variation. It happens all the time.

Wokay. If you say so.

[St Fan]

Your link did not work.


Now that's weird, it works perfectly well from TV Tropes or when copy-and-pasting the link in the adress bar, but not as a direct link. Maybe there's some hotlinking protection... not a big deal anyway.

[Bongos]

Where are the bonus comics? In the books?

[St Fan]

Recent facepalms:

Haley, caused by Elan, in #766
Ian Starshine, caused by Haley, #772
Roy, caused by Elan, #772
Haley, caused by her father, in #774
Haley, caused by Elan, in #776

There may be more; I've checked from #750 to now.