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Marriclay
2010-07-08, 01:57 PM
I was recently looking through the Fiend Folio web enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031014a) and noticed that there's something called Kaorti Ribbon Weapons. I was wondering, with an artificer character (Or even something else, if you can think of it) how can we break this? Or make it so that the amount of experience it costs is so pidly it doesn't even matter anymore, and as long as we have the time we can just make anything we want?

Wings of Peace
2010-07-08, 03:12 PM
This: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7274.0

Marriclay
2010-07-08, 03:14 PM
This: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7274.0

Wicked awesome

Coplantor
2010-07-08, 03:21 PM
This: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7274.0

So you can have people on a constat state of extasis to extract distilled happiness essence in order to reduce te xp cost of a magic item?

Factories in the tippyverse are weird

Keld Denar
2010-07-08, 03:26 PM
A while ago, a master CharOper named tsuyoshikentsu figured out how to craft a Victory Class Star Destroyer in about a week. I think this is the link (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=150.0).

Coidzor
2010-07-08, 06:10 PM
Only...Only 4% of the gold costs!? :smalleek:

Marriclay
2010-07-08, 06:25 PM
Only...Only 4% of the gold costs!? :smalleek:

yup. in an item that costs 10,000 Gold, you only have to pay 400. And don't forget to apply the reductions to experience point costs. Be an artificer. Use craft reserve instead of XP! Or drain an old and useless item for it!

Tinydwarfman
2010-07-08, 06:33 PM
By far the best use of the craft skill is Basketweaving. That one little skill has ruined countless campaigns.

Coidzor
2010-07-08, 06:52 PM
By far the best use of the craft skill is Basketweaving. That one little skill has ruined countless campaigns.

Have a vampire character that needs to go out during the daytime? Craft a giant basket to blot out the sun for miles around. Fo' Free!

Coplantor
2010-07-08, 06:55 PM
By far the best use of the craft skill is Basketweaving. That one little skill has ruined countless campaigns.

Can you please, explain?

Marriclay
2010-07-08, 07:11 PM
Can you please, explain?

Sarcasm!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/pyranack/awesome-1.png

Coplantor
2010-07-08, 07:17 PM
That would've been my first case if not because of the thousands of times I've seen basketweaving mentioned while discussing skills.

Marriclay
2010-07-08, 07:21 PM
Really? huh. Never heard of it before, but I guess that does make sense. Baskets don't cost much, so technically you... Create one really big basket very quickly? Yeah, I'm lost here too.

tyckspoon
2010-07-08, 07:58 PM
Is joke. Basketweaving (sometimes Underwater Basketweaving) is just an example of a nearly-useless thing to optimize. Sometimes also used as a generic example of how to go about optimizing a skill. It's mostly notable for being the one thing Nup-Nup (the anti-Pun-Pun, officially the Least Optimized Character to Pun-Pun's Most Optimized Character) is any good at.

arguskos
2010-07-08, 08:00 PM
Is joke. Basketweaving (sometimes Underwater Basketweaving) is just an example of a nearly-useless thing to optimize. Sometimes also used as a generic example of how to go about optimizing a skill. It's mostly notable for being the one thing Nup-Nup (the anti-Pun-Pun, officially the Least Optimized Character to Pun-Pun's Most Optimized Character) is any good at.
Still takes an action though, right? I thought Nup-Nup passed out if he takes any action at all.

Coidzor
2010-07-08, 08:00 PM
Still takes an action though, right? I thought Nup-Nup passed out if he takes any action at all.

Yup. He can't even eat. Or do his job.

tyckspoon
2010-07-08, 08:06 PM
Still takes an action though, right? I thought Nup-Nup passed out if he takes any action at all.

No, in fact, as making a Craft check is specifically not an action. It's just.. a thing that happens. Nup-nup is incable of doing basically anything, true.. so he just sits still thinking about baskets, making his Craft check, and spontaneously converting strips of material into really high-quality baskets around himself. (Craft rules are weird and don't bear looking at too closely.)

Coplantor
2010-07-08, 08:11 PM
Nup Nup link? Please :smallbiggrin:

arguskos
2010-07-08, 09:18 PM
No, in fact, as making a Craft check is specifically not an action. It's just.. a thing that happens. Nup-nup is incable of doing basically anything, true.. so he just sits still thinking about baskets, making his Craft check, and spontaneously converting strips of material into really high-quality baskets around himself. (Craft rules are weird and don't bear looking at too closely.)
DAMMIT! We need to give Crafting an action, so he can't do anything at all! Op-fu, GO!

Defiant
2010-07-08, 10:07 PM
Oh my... and after all these people kept saying that it is very important to invest ranks into Craft: Basketweaving, I thought they were actually serious :smallredface:

I thought maybe there was some trickery with baskets where you can unleash a mighty power, similar to Vaarsuvius's doily.

2xMachina
2010-07-09, 08:51 AM
There is 1 use though...

Beget bogun.

Ormagoden
2010-07-09, 09:28 AM
Oh my... and after all these people kept saying that it is very important to invest ranks into Craft: Basketweaving, I thought they were actually serious :smallredface:

I thought maybe there was some trickery with baskets where you can unleash a mighty power, similar to Vaarsuvius's doily.

It's called a Warweaver.

OracleofWuffing
2010-07-09, 12:15 PM
Is joke. Basketweaving (sometimes Underwater Basketweaving) is just an example of a nearly-useless thing to optimize. Sometimes also used as a generic example of how to go about optimizing a skill. It's mostly notable for being the one thing Nup-Nup (the anti-Pun-Pun, officially the Least Optimized Character to Pun-Pun's Most Optimized Character) is any good at.
I always thought that Pun-Pun could just give himself the "officially least optimized character" ability, and be less optimized than Nup-Nup. I mean, I don't know why he'd do that, but I don't make it a policy to question the Pun-Pun.

Coplantor
2010-07-09, 12:18 PM
Wouldn't the least optimized character be one made completly at random?
I mean, optimization is a concious effort, heck, you could argue that nup nup is optmized at sucking.

Keld Denar
2010-07-09, 02:48 PM
Behold, Dictum Mortum's Complete Basket Weavers Handbook! (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19870302/The_Basket_Weavers_Handbook)