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IdleMuse
2010-07-09, 12:27 AM
Is there a comprehensive list out there of classes with 'fast' (better than Wizard) spellcasting progression?

I know of Ur-Priest and Divine Crusader, are there any more?

Tshern
2010-07-09, 12:46 AM
Is there a comprehensive list out there of classes with 'fast' (better than Wizard) spellcasting progression?

I know of Ur-Priest and Divine Crusader, are there any more?
Sublime Chord, but its prerequisites are so steep that you eventually wind up getting 9th level spells later than a standard Wizard. Then there is the infamous Beholder Mage from Lords of Madness, but you might wish to steer away from that unless your DM is a friend of cheese of the stinkiest kind.

I think there was a list at some forum some time, but unfortunately, I can't point you towards it...

Optimystik
2010-07-09, 12:49 AM
Blighter. It's... on second thought, never mind.

IdleMuse
2010-07-09, 12:53 AM
Yeah, I totally overlooked Blighter... it's certainly interesting.

Milskidasith
2010-07-09, 12:53 AM
There was a third party PrC that gave you 7/5ths casting and a free bonus feat, required... I think it was skill focus (concentration) to enter, and needed a concentration check of DC 10 or 15+con or... some really minor penalty.

Yeah. Third party books are frequently stupid.

Tshern
2010-07-09, 12:55 AM
Yeah, I totally overlooked Blighter... it's certainly interesting.
There is something intriguing in pissing off all the Druids in your area. Makes for an exciting and, most of all, short-lived character.

Optimystik
2010-07-09, 12:59 AM
There is something intriguing in pissing off all the Druids in your area. Makes for an exciting and, most of all, short-lived character.

You live even shorter with no trees around. In a desert, or tundra, aquatic campaign, barren plane etc. you become an Expert.

Tshern
2010-07-09, 01:00 AM
You live even shorter with no trees around. In a desert, or tundra, aquatic campaign, barren plane etc. you become an Expert.
Unless you happen to be a really shrewd Blighter and carry your collection of bonsai trees in an extradimensional space.

Optimystik
2010-07-09, 01:14 AM
Unless you happen to be a really shrewd Blighter and carry your collection of bonsai trees in an extradimensional space.

That's one hell of a component pouch.

arguskos
2010-07-09, 01:16 AM
That's one hell of a component pouch.
Aren't there Druid spells that require part of a plant that doesn't cost anything? BAM! Totally just break out big piles of that stuff from your component pouch and roll with it. :smallamused:

Tshern
2010-07-09, 01:18 AM
That's one hell of a component pouch.
Use a Portable hole. Not too practical, I know, but if you are playing a Blighter, you threw practicality out of the window the moment you started filling the 'Class' line of your character sheet.

The Cat Goddess
2010-07-09, 01:24 AM
Is there a comprehensive list out there of classes with 'fast' (better than Wizard) spellcasting progression?

I know of Ur-Priest and Divine Crusader, are there any more?

So, being a reality warping super-being by level 15 isn't soon enough for you?

Optimystik
2010-07-09, 01:29 AM
So, being a reality warping super-being by level 15 isn't soon enough for you?

The fast ones are handy for theurging.


Use a Portable hole. Not too practical, I know, but if you are playing a Blighter, you threw practicality out of the window the moment you started filling the 'Class' line of your character sheet.

I'd have an NPC druid chuck a Bag of Holding into it when you're about to prepare spells. :smalltongue:

Sliver
2010-07-09, 01:38 AM
Don't you have other class features that are still available if you didn't destroy a tree? Hardly an expert...

IdleMuse
2010-07-09, 01:40 AM
I found another one, Apostle of Peace, in BoED. I'm gonna have a look through BoVD as well.

These kinds of classes are great for when you want to take up a fairly non-magical prestige class that happens to have a mid-level spell requirement. The examples i'm working on at the moment is Fiendbinder in ToM and Malconvoker in CSc. Take the latter for instance; a mostly-support character that wants to add fiendish summoning power to their repertoire without taking 5 levels of Cleric to qualify, can instead take three levels of Ur-Priest, a much smaller 'dip' leaving more room for Malconvoker class features.

EDIT: Yeah, BOVD has Ur-Priest again, of course, but also Demonologist, which is a fast progression class, but only covers level 1-4 spells, despite requiring thrid level spells to get in. Not too useful.

Tshern
2010-07-09, 02:30 AM
I'd have an NPC druid chuck a Bag of Holding into it when you're about to prepare spells. :smalltongue:
Or you could just whack the living daylights out of the Blighter and throw him to the hole.

Runestar
2010-07-09, 04:34 AM
Nar demonbinder (unapproachable east) - only 1 lv faster, but one of my favourite prcs, and great for a half-caster such as blackguard. :smallbiggrin:

Morph Bark
2010-07-09, 05:26 AM
Yeah, I totally overlooked Blighter... it's certainly interesting.

Druid 5/Blighter 3/Planar Shepherd 7 for awesome villain? Pick a plane with lots of trees. :smalltongue:

true_shinken
2010-07-09, 08:02 AM
Nar Demonbinder, Defiant and Knight of the Weave spring to mind. They don't get 9th-level spells, though.
Also, Suel Arcanamach for the first few levels.
EDIT: hmm, Fighter 5/Knight of the Weave 7/Demonbinder 3/Abjurant Champion 5 looks like an interesting gish. Just for the laughs of a Fighter with 8th level spells.