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Sindri
2010-07-14, 02:10 AM
or any other method besides being a race that doesn't breath or using magic items?

Ranos
2010-07-14, 02:14 AM
I don't think there ARE any rules for death in a vacuum. Physics, catgirls, you know how this goes.


Edit : Oh yeah, you meant the breathing thing. I dunno, get a water breathing spell and a space suit filled with water?

Hague
2010-07-14, 02:33 AM
Well, you could make a bound elemental vehicle that uses an air elemental to generate atmosphere, I guess.

Radar
2010-07-14, 02:41 AM
Well, you could make a bound elemental vehicle that uses an air elemental to generate atmosphere, I guess.
There is an item called Bottle of Air, as far as I know. Combine it with a brething mask and there you go. If you make your mask properly, it will shield you from a variety of gas poisons, choking on smoke and some of the cloud spells. Think this (http://www.druzynaorlow.webpark.pl/maskagazowa.jpg).

Killer Angel
2010-07-14, 03:17 AM
There is an item called Bottle of Air, as far as I know.

Yes, there is, but...


or any other method besides being a race that doesn't breath or using magic items?

...it's not an available option, given the OP.


EDIT: Sindri, your best bet is the Spelljammer material, you'll find certainly something. I don't know well the setting, but I remember a low-level spell "create air".

WinWin
2010-07-14, 04:24 AM
Craft wonderous item. Then make a necklace of adaptation

Craft contingent spell. Reacts to vacuum. Provides healing and teleports to safety.

If rapid depressurisation is an effect, then Iron Heart Surge would be able to temporarily negate it. The is also a Devoted Spirit stance that allows a save to temporarily avoid death. I'm not sure if it would work against an environmental effect though. These can be aquired by feats, but you would likely need Crusader or Warblade levels in order to get these maneuvers easily.

Autopsibiofeeder
2010-07-14, 04:35 AM
The Psion power Adapt body does more or less what you want (I am assuming you don't mean a real real vacuum). It is a 5th level power and that pretty much indicates that it is too powerful an effect for a feat to provide.

Otherwise I think you are pretty much bound to (exotic) magic or very high-tech and expensive items.

Bushidough
2010-07-14, 04:55 AM
Iridescent Spindle Ioun stone (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#iounStones), Sustains creature without air, so helps with that part at least

Edit: oh sorry missed the magic item bit

hamishspence
2010-07-14, 05:02 AM
The epic spell Nailed to the Sky might represent the effects of hard vacuum + sunlight with no atmosphere.

Gan The Grey
2010-07-14, 05:04 AM
OP, maybe you should edit your first post and put the whole no magic thing in big, bold letters. I don't think many people are getting it.

2xMachina
2010-07-14, 05:22 AM
You want a non-magical way to remove the need to breathe?

Sorry. No. Does not exist. Except change to undead/construct.

Gan The Grey
2010-07-14, 05:23 AM
Actually....take the feats Sacred Vow and Vow of Poverty. At some point, you gain the ability to survive in an airless environment.

EDIT At 12th level me thinks.

Tyrmatt
2010-07-14, 05:28 AM
There is a difference between airless and a vacuum. Airless just means that you, the subject, cannot breathe the atmosphere around you. It may have many constituent components but you can't metabolise it.
A vacuum is a complete absence of gases, liquids etc. There is no pressure on the outside so the pressure on the inside of your body expands to fill the new space, causing SMEF.

I suppose theoretically, Iron Heart Surge would allow you to resist the effects as a feat of sheer strength, but then you would just die of oxygen deprivation anyway.

So to answer: Yes, there are a million ways to counteract not being able to breathe the air. There is one possible longshot way to survive being thrown into outer space without any protection.

2xMachina
2010-07-14, 05:28 AM
Meh, missed that. VoP 12 then.

JeminiZero
2010-07-14, 05:30 AM
Iron Body (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Iron_Body) (which also has a Psionic version) and its lesser counterparts, Stone Body and Oak Body (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/oakBody.htm) all specifically remove your respiration. But are rather high level.

Sindri
2010-07-14, 08:55 PM
Hmm... the Starspawn aberrant feat gives immunity to altitude fatigue and altitude sickness; given that there are no rules on hard vacuum as far as I know, I might be able to bluff my GM.
If that fails, I should look into getting those spells or items; thank you for your assistance.

Lhurgyof
2010-07-14, 09:02 PM
What about being immune to... I dunno... EXPLODING in the vacuum? xD

Optimystik
2010-07-14, 09:16 PM
What about being immune to... I dunno... EXPLODING in the vacuum? xD

I'll just leave this here. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosiveDecompression)

Also, what hamish said - Nailed to the Sky (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/nailedToTheSky.htm) is probably the closest we'll get to actual vacuum rules.

Lycanthromancer
2010-07-14, 09:20 PM
There's an alchemical mask in, I believe, Dungeonscape, that will let you breathe in a vacuum or underwater for like 10 minutes. It doesn't cost that much, either.

Yorrin
2010-07-14, 09:41 PM
Be ethereal (and/or incorporeal?). Both prevent you from being physically present int he vacuum in one way or another, dealing with both the breathing and the pressure issues.

Rixx
2010-07-14, 10:06 PM
...

No! There isn't!

Darrin
2010-07-14, 10:18 PM
There's an alchemical mask in, I believe, Dungeonscape, that will let you breathe in a vacuum or underwater for like 10 minutes. It doesn't cost that much, either.

Auran Mask. Complete Mage p. 134. It's non-magical, and yeah, would be able to provide breathable air for about 10 minutes. They're cheap enough (60 GP each) that you could buy a bunch of them and survive for several hours if need be.

Lhurgyof
2010-07-14, 10:31 PM
Ah, but he'd still have horrible injuries. Not to mention the radiation. xD

Arutema
2010-07-14, 10:41 PM
You didn't specify a system, so steal an entirely mundane space suit from the nearest sci-fi system book.

Draken
2010-07-14, 11:03 PM
You didn't specify a system, so steal an entirely mundane space suit from the nearest sci-fi system book.

How about readapting the Hydration suit found in Sandstorm? That is a pretty sci-fi looking thing there.

DragoonWraith
2010-07-14, 11:16 PM
A vacuum is a complete absence of gases, liquids etc. There is no pressure on the outside so the pressure on the inside of your body expands to fill the new space, causing SMEF.
What about being immune to... I dunno... EXPLODING in the vacuum? xD
I've been swordsage'd on this one, but just to reiterate: The human body will not explode if subjected to a vacuum.

The vacuum will be painful. Things will stretch in ways they are not supposed to stretch. Blood pressure will go down. Lots of internal problems will occur. But it won't kill you, providing you have some way to breathe.

You won't freeze, either. Without any matter to conduct heat away from you, you will only radiate heat very slowly. It will be a very long time before that significantly effects you.

If left exposed to deep space, the first thing to kill you would be the lack of air (the lack of pressure will also make that happen faster by forcing whatever air you do have out of your lungs). Barring that, radiation. Barring that, more standard stuff - dehydration, starvation. Freezing, or long-term damage from the vacuum, are much longer-term issues than what you would be worrying about.

Ravens_cry
2010-07-14, 11:22 PM
Actually, I think it WILL kill you. That's why they wear those big spacesuits and not just a breathing mask, the lack of pressure does nasty things, like the bends too fast surfacing scuba divers experience.

devinkowalczyk
2010-07-14, 11:25 PM
Vacuum is a planar effect (a Physical condition of the environment)

ergo
Immune to Planar Effects for the win

DragoonWraith
2010-07-14, 11:26 PM
Actually, I think it WILL kill you. That's why they wear those big spacesuits and not just a breathing mask, the lack of pressure does nasty things, like the bends too fast surfacing scuba divers experience.
Nasty things, yes. As immediate as the air issue, no. But the primary reason for those suits is the radiation, not the pressure.

Ravens_cry
2010-07-14, 11:34 PM
Nasty things, yes. As immediate as the air issue, no. But the primary reason for those suits is the radiation, not the pressure.
I am not saying radiation isn't an issue, but they have that whole internal pressure thing to keep your bodily fluids from boiling. (http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/spasuits.htm)

olentu
2010-07-14, 11:41 PM
Hmm I recall off hand that there were rules for messing around on that elder evil moonlit with no atmosphere.

DragoonWraith
2010-07-15, 12:04 AM
I am not saying radiation isn't an issue, but they have that whole internal pressure thing to keep your bodily fluids from boiling. (http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/spasuits.htm)
Interesting point in that article: US astronauts breathe pure oxygen for hours prior to a space walk to get the nitrogen out of their blood, removing the chance of the bends. So that's not a worry.

Yes, some bodily fluids may partially evaporate. However, a somewhat more reliable source (http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html) suggests (and has animal studies to back it up) that "exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness." "If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury."

Ravens_cry
2010-07-15, 12:08 AM
Interesting point in that article: US astronauts breathe pure oxygen for hours prior to a space walk to get the nitrogen out of their blood, removing the chance of the bends. So that's not a worry.

Yes, some bodily fluids may partially evaporate. However, a somewhat more reliable source (http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html) suggests (and has animal studies to back it up) that "exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness." "If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury."
But they still have that pressure around them, the 4.5 poinds of of air pressure. Your blood may not 'boil', but it's not going to be a good thing. Mechanical Counter Pressure suits do this by physically containing the body, contemporary suits use air pressure, which is why astronauts look like the Michelin Man.

Hironomus
2010-07-15, 12:14 AM
I am curious why you want to be able to survive in vacuum.

Ravens_cry
2010-07-15, 12:18 AM
Be a Batman Wizard.
Batman can breath in space. (http://shortpacked.com/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/01-just-a-toy-store/batman-can-breathe-in-space/)

dextercorvia
2010-07-15, 12:23 AM
Blink (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/blink.htm), Greater Blink, or Ethereal Jaunt (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/etherealJaunt.htm), followed by Teleport.

DragoonWraith
2010-07-15, 12:32 AM
But they still have that pressure around them, the 4.5 poinds of of air pressure. Your blood may not 'boil', but it's not going to be a good thing. Mechanical Counter Pressure suits do this by physically containing the body, contemporary suits use air pressure, which is why astronauts look like the Michelin Man.
Absolutely agree that it's not good. It's likely to be excruciating, and rather quickly I'd expect serious damage to result. Just... not before you suffocate.

Ravens_cry
2010-07-15, 01:50 AM
Absolutely agree that it's not good. It's likely to be excruciating, and rather quickly I'd expect serious damage to result. Just... not before you suffocate.
But rather more immediate then radiation. Which is not what you said earlier.

But the primary reason for those suits is the radiation, not the pressure.

DragoonWraith
2010-07-15, 10:24 AM
Radiation would set in very quickly too. Yes, I think it would beat the damage done by the vacuum. The link I offered seemed to suggest this.