Gestalt Wizard Archivist at 20 concept

[Paganboy28]

Ok I think after research I have the final concept for my gestalt wizard/archivist.

On the arcane side of things....

Wizard 5/Singer of Concordance 6/Sanctified One of Boccob (to be sorted with DM) 5/Archmage 1/Paragnostic Apostle 3-5 (2 levels on divine side)

On the divine side of things....

Archivist 14/Sacred Exorcist 1/Paragnostic Apostle 2/Wonderworker 3


This gives me more spells per day using Wonderworker. I can use the few Turn Undead to power divine metamagic or other such things.

Now I just have to work out what feats to take along the way. And work out what by stats would be in terms of BAB, HP, etc....

But I should have some interesting abilities taking all of that.


Opinions welcome.

[PId6]

By default gestalt rules, you can't have PrCs on both sides at the same levels.

Consider focused specialist for the wizard, since you can make up for any dropped schools via the archivist side. Abjuration, Evocation, and Enchantment can all be dropped without worry, as long as you get the useful spells of those schools from archivist (Dispel Magic, Superior Resistance, Contingency, Suggestion, Dominate Person, etc).

[Paganboy28]

Well after consulting the the DM we have come up with the following...


ARCANE side:

Wizard 5/Singer of Concordance 6/\Divine Oracle 4/Paragnostic Apostle 4/Divine Oracle 1

DIVINE side:

Archivist 14/Contemplative 5/Paragnostic Apostle 1



This seems to fit the concept I am after and should, I think, be a pretty good character with some interesting abilities.

Questions I would pose though....

1) Which Paragnostic Apostle abilities would best suit this character?

2) What feats should I get ( I already have the following: Knowledge Devotion, Steady Concentration, Twin Spell, Reach Spell, Quicken Spell, Fiery Burst, Spontaneous Healer)?

3) What domain should I take for Contemplative? I am restricted to:
Mind, Spell, Magic, Knowledge, Nobility, Dragon, Balance, Trickery, Nobility

4) The DM was against the 1 level dip into Sacred Exorcist for turning as it didn't fit the character and didn't make sense. I had to agree with him so DMM is out. Not a biggy though as I would only have 4 turn per day which is not enough to power any decent metamagic.

5) What items should I be particularly looking out for?

[Dusk Eclipse]

1) Don't know

2)Might want to check some devotions, and IIRC fiery burst is a reserve feat and with a gestalt FULL caster I don't think you need an at-will mini fireball

3)Trickery if you want to trade it for trickery devotion I have heard it is quite nice, magic might be lol-worthy as you get anyspell and greater anyspell.

4) CL boosters might be useful, Ioun Stone, Bead of Karma, Int and Wis Boosters, a circlet of rapid casting might be useful, metamagic rods,

[Paganboy28]

1) Don't know

2)Might want to check some devotions, and IIRC fiery burst is a reserve feat and with a gestalt FULL caster I don't think you need an at-will mini fireball




I have this because it means I have the option of just spamming this and unleashing proper spells when they are actually needed. Means I can still shoot things just without wasting spell slots.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I have this because it means I have the option of just spamming this and unleashing proper spells when they are actually needed. Means I can still shoot things just without wasting spell slots.

fair enough, I was just pointing my opinion on the matter.

[Philistine]

I have this because it means I have the option of just spamming this and unleashing proper spells when they are actually needed. Means I can still shoot things just without wasting spell slots.

Dude. You're playing a Level 20 Wizard//Archvist gestalt, you've got Boccob's own plenty of spell slots. Even without bonus spells due to high Int (and you're SAD on Int, so you can pump it high high high), you're looking at 9 spells of each level per day. You should be worried about wasting actions - that's the thing you'll be short of. Spending your actions chucking piddly amounts of fire damage - the most commonly resisted type in the game - at single targets qualifies as a waste, given the incredible wealth of options available to you.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Incantatrix 3+ is highly recommended, you wouldn't even need DMM: Persist with it. You wouldn't even need Quicken Spell because you can use Incantatrix to persist Arcane Spellsurge from Dragon Magic. That would automatically quicken all of your arcane spells, and then you can use your standard action to throw a divine spell every round too. Dweomerkeeper (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040522a) is also a suitable and very strong choice. You can even use Bone Talisman (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040721a) to get Turn Undead as a cleric equal to your caster level, and if you put some Unguent of Timelessness on the spell foci it will last about 60 hours per caster level and they can be reused indefinitely, so set up a few ahead of time.

[Paganboy28]

fair enough, I was just pointing my opinion on the matter.

Not having a go, just explaining my reasoning, though I am reconsidering whether this was a wise move or not... hey ho.

[Paganboy28]

Ack! Now I am left thinking that I made bad feat choices along the way.

Spontaneous Healer = because we don't have a cleric and I have to be the healer. But don't want to waste slots preparing lots of Cure X spells.

Steady Concentration = always able to take 10 on Concentration checks means pretty much always passing. Better than Combat Casting i think.

Twin Spell = get twice from a single casting.

Reach Spell = I get into melee I die.... lots of touch spells are decent but I want to keep out of range.

Quicken Spell = Get more spells per round even if one of them is 4 levels higher than normal.

Fiery Burst = not entirely sure now I should have taken this... but the theory was I would be able to do stuff that won't use spells up. Area effect mini-fireball seemed the better of the choices.

Knowledge Devotion = fits the character concept well, gives pretty good ability and I have lots of Knowledge skills at high levels.


Maybe I should have something else other than Fiery Burst... Do I need Quicken spell or the other metamagic feats?

Wonder if there is a way to change them or convince the DM to allow me to change them?

Reincarnate myself as another dragonborn archivist/wizard :smallsmile:


Also the Dweomerkeeper in that web enhancement seems to fit, though this would mean losing the levels in contemplative and divine oracle. The Paragnostic Apostle I really want to keep as its perfect for the character's concept.

Divine Oracle and Contemplative have some nice abilities and also fit the concept. I scry the area we are going or use other divination to get info about the quest. Then that allows me to prepare appropriate spells rather than trying to guess every time.

Action economy is important which is why i don't want to waste spells.


Ack! Too much to consider.