View Full Version : 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?
PrismaticPIA
2010-08-24, 08:53 PM
In a 5-level build?
Thurbane
2010-08-24, 09:14 PM
2 off the top of my head:
Binder 1: Bind Naberious (take 10 on social skill checks).
1/2 Elf feat: allows re-roll of social skill checks.
Glimbur
2010-08-24, 09:26 PM
A level of warlock is sweet for the invocation that helps here: Beguiling Influence for a +6.
A level of bard for the half-elf substitution stuff is nice.
A level of marshal for motivate Cha to double your Cha bonus is good.
The other two levels I"m not sure of.
Venerable Half-Elf Cloistered Cleric 1/Marshal 1/Warlock 1/Binder 1/Incarnate 1
Ability: 18 Cha + 3 Age + 1 Level + 2 Enhancement = 24 Cha
Flaws: Noncombatant, Murky-Eyed
Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in every Speak Language ever
Feats: Sacred Vow , Nymph's Kiss [BoED], Complementary Insight [RoD], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus], Skill Focus (Bluff)
[B]Stuff: Community Domain [SpC], Trickery Domain, Knowledge Domain, Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI], Naberius vestige [ToM]
Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Cloak of Charisma +2 [4,000], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp]
Bluff:
8 ranks
+7 Charisma
+7 Motivate Charisma
+4 insight Silvertongue Mask
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+3 Skill Focus
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Illiterate
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 (Naberius)
= 53
Diplomacy:
8 ranks
+7 Charisma
+7 Motivate Charisma
+9 synergy (Complementary Insight)
+4 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
+2 racial
+3 Skill Focus
+2 Community Domain
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Polite
+2 perfection Sacred Vow
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 and use as standard action without penalty (Naberius)
= 68
gbprime
2010-08-24, 09:59 PM
Yeah, I was gonna add something to the thread, but it looks well covered. :smalleek:
PrismaticPIA
2010-08-24, 10:00 PM
That's disgusting, I approve ^.^
Additional restrictions: No ToM, no flaws, starting gold is 7K, and it would be handy if the build could be "somewhat" useful in combat.
How on earth did you get that many feats?
How on earth did you get that many feats?
Two from flaws, two normally, and one bonus feat from Marshal 1.
Additional restrictions: No ToM, no flaws, starting gold is 7K, and it would be handy if the build could be "somewhat" useful in combat.
That's a bit annoying. Binder's abilities are kinda irreplaceable here (take 10 on Bluff/Diplomacy, standard action Diplomacize), though Half-Elf bard may work as sorta a replacement. Changeling rogue 1 covers the taking 10, though you'll still take penalty for rushed Diplomacies (and the bonus gets a bit lower).
"Somewhat" useful in combat is the hardest part. Let's see...
Middle-Aged Changeling Rogue 3 (with RoE sub level)/Warlock 1/Marshal 1
Ability: Con >= 13, 18 Cha + 1 Age + 1 Level = 20 Cha
Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in whatever
Feats: Nymph's Kiss , Shape Soulmeld (Silvertongue Mask) [MoI], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus]
[B]Stuff: Eldritch Blast 1d6, Sneak Attack 2d6, Death's Ruin [CC Rogue 3 ACF], Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI]
Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp], 2,400 gp remaining
Bluff:
8 ranks
+5 Charisma
+5 Motivate Charisma
+2 insight Silvertongue Mask
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+2 racial
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Illiterate
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 (Changeling Rogue 1)
= 46
Diplomacy:
8 ranks
+5 Charisma
+5 Motivate Charisma
+6 synergy
+2 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
+3 Skill Focus
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Polite
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 (Changeling Rogue 1)
= 53
Combat:
Blast people with your Eldritch Blast along with 2d6 Sneak Attack. Your base attack bonus sucks (without fractional BAB), but it's a touch attack, so it shouldn't be too bad. Your UMD should be pretty good too, so you can always rely on that.
PrismaticPIA
2010-08-24, 10:47 PM
Venerable Half-Elf Cloistered Cleric 1/Marshal 1/Warlock 1/Binder 1/Incarnate 1
Ability: 18 Cha + 3 Age + 1 Level + 2 Enhancement = 24 Cha
Flaws: Noncombatant, Murky-Eyed
Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in every Speak Language ever
Feats: Sacred Vow , Nymph's Kiss [BoED], Complementary Insight [RoD], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus], Skill Focus (Bluff)
[B]Stuff: Community Domain [SpC], Trickery Domain, Knowledge Domain, Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI], Naberius vestige [ToM]
Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Cloak of Charisma +2 [4,000], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp]
Bluff:
8 ranks
+7 Charisma
+7 Motivate Charisma
+4 insight Silvertongue Mask
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+3 Skill Focus
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Illiterate
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 (Naberius)
= 53
Diplomacy:
8 ranks
+7 Charisma
+7 Motivate Charisma
+9 synergy (Complementary Insight)
+4 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
+2 racial
+3 Skill Focus
+2 Community Domain
+2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
+6 Beguiling Influence
+1 Polite
+2 perfection Sacred Vow
+3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
+2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
Able to take 10 and use as standard action without penalty (Naberius)
= 68
Out of curiosity, what would a twenty-level layout look like for this guy? Assuming no restrictions?
Out of curiosity, what would a twenty-level layout look like for this guy? Assuming no restrictions?
Diplomancy really gets pointless past maybe level 8-ish, since by that point your Diplomacy score is just High Enough. I'd probably dip more classes for skill boosts (Totemist for Lamia's Belt and more essentia, Bard for the half-elf substitution levels, Exemplar for the competence boost, and similar until eventually just take things for the 1 rank per level). Feats would just be things that give +3 or +2, such as Vow of Nonviolence -> Vow of Peace, Persuasive, Negotiator, and probably others if you take the time to dig them out. Past a certain point, it no longer matters what you take.
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