Industrial & Dark Wave Thread

[Nameless]

Sooo... Anyone here into Industrial/Powernoise/Aggrotech/EBM/Dark Wave etc?
Terrorfakt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DISrzMTwBAo)? :smallsmile:

[Starfols]

I know some people who consider Celldweller industrial, and I like them. Does that count? :smallsmile:

What are some other good bands I could introduce myself to?

[Nameless]

I know some people who consider Celldweller industrial, and I like them. Does that count? :smallsmile:

What are some other good bands I could introduce myself to?

Yeah, they do! Great band. :smallsmile:

It sort of deppends what kind of sound you like.
Here are a few bands/artists I like with varied sounds and differen't genres:
Angelspit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0HNzm8dno)
Kraftwerk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ)
Arise X (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpCpA2dnvbs)
London After Midnight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbJece68f0)
Deathstars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmS96D7wiQo)
YADE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6iEz79-xK8)
Hydroxide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUgBhEdixs&feature=related)
Psyclon Nine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52xoRLh2dWw)
Combichrist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRa3BU5bl-s)
[insert other bands I listen to]


There's also some really awesome Steampunk stuff:
The Cog is Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7XG4XOJsc)
Abney Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzpBOazn1P0&feature=related)
The Clockwork Quartet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFtWyvRMOk&feature=related)

[Starfols]

Yeah, they do! Great band. :smallsmile:

It sort of deppends what kind of sound you like.
Here are a few bands/artists I like with varied sounds and differen't genres:
Kraftwerk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ)
Arise X (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpCpA2dnvbs)
Deathstars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmS96D7wiQo)
Combichrist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRa3BU5bl-s)
[insert other bands I listen to]
These were all pretty good. I think my favorite is still Celldweller though. :smallwink:

It may be because I'm new to this genre, but some of the things in the lyrics and videos is a little strange. I suppose gas-masks are industrial's icon?
I'm not sure what to make of the recurring themes though. Unreciprocated violence, claustrophobia, urban decay and all that 'hardcore' stuff isn't really my thing.

There's also some really awesome Steampunk stuff:
The Cog is Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7XG4XOJsc)
Abney Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzpBOazn1P0&feature=related)
The Clockwork Quartet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFtWyvRMOk&feature=related)

Wow, these are quite good, especially the first one. :smallbiggrin:

Oh, I also really like what I've heard ofHurt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D81HCHgH0os). Do you know anything about them?

[Moff Chumley]

Uh, Nameless, Kraftwerk are Electro. I don't think that that's open for discussion, because the definition of electro is "bands that sound like Kraftwerk". :smalltongue:

[The Antagonist]

Mmm... I love Angelspit.

What about angsty goth men/women who try to sing over a cheesy synth line? The Cruxshadows, Hanzel Und Gretyl, Blutengal, E Nomine... And who doesn't love Leæther Strip? Or Emilie Autumn? Or Huoratron? Or Pendulum? (Okay, now I'm just naming random artists...)

[Xyk]

I can see the appeal and originality in the style but it is just not for me. I like my indie and classic rock. Separately, of course.

The most industrial I ever get is Welcome to the Machine by Pink Floyd. Some other Pink Floyd also. But that's not much.

Also the names of industrial bands are AWESOME. Angelspit is one of the most badass names I've ever heard.

[Moff Chumley]

Pink Floyd isn't industrial either... :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

Uh, Nameless, Kraftwerk are Electro. I don't think that that's open for discussion, because the definition of electro is "bands that sound like Kraftwerk". :smalltongue:

A lot of Electronica bands fit into the Industrial genre, Depending on the sound.
In fact, Kraftwerk were one of the founders of the Industrial genre.

[Moff Chumley]

I hate to get nitpicky, but Electro is a subgenre of Electronica. I will grant that Kraftwerk is hugely influential in Industrial, but they're also hugely influential in Techno, House, Trance, et cetera, and they certainly aren't any of those.

[Mx.Silver]

I have a bit of a love-hate thing with industrial music, to be honest. While I like quite a few bands that fall into the genre the fact is that when industrial is bad it's really, really, bad - due to having access to both lazy badly sampled dance/electronica and 'wall of noise', badly written death metal/screamo to draw on.

Still, some of the acts I do quite like, such as:
Android Lust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6fVhYTRVp8)
Chiasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne67pSaALg)
Ego Likeness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQBcJBmo3q4)
Flesh Field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FrUBWNARNQ)
Helalyn Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yLPydW6do)
I:Scintilla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWVhGu5Nzk)
Mankind is Obsolete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEWXFTIoWc)

[Nameless]

I hate to get nitpicky, but Electro is a subgenre of Electronica. I will grant that Kraftwerk is hugely influential in Industrial, but they're also hugely influential in Techno, House, Trance, et cetera, and they certainly aren't any of those.

A lot of Electronica is a pretty broad term, some of it fits under Industrial, some doesn't. EBM is an Electroica music genre which sits quite comfortably under Industrial. It wasn't just the music, but their whole attitude and theme which fits into Industrial very nicely. Everything about them was pretty much the foundation of Industrial.


These were all pretty good. I think my favorite is still Celldweller though. :smallwink:

It may be because I'm new to this genre, but some of the things in the lyrics and videos is a little strange. I suppose gas-masks are industrial's icon?
I'm not sure what to make of the recurring themes though. Unreciprocated violence, claustrophobia, urban decay and all that 'hardcore' stuff isn't really my thing.


Wow, these are quite good, especially the first one. :smallbiggrin:

Oh, I also really like what I've heard ofHurt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D81HCHgH0os). Do you know anything about them?

The whole gas mask thing is a sort of iconic accessory within the Rivethead and Cybergoth sub-culture. It just fits with the whole militant/futuristic-apocalyptic theme.
But really, it's just because it looks awesome. :smalltongue:

And I've never heard of Hurt before, but I'll give them a listen. :smallsmile:

Mmm... I love Angelspit.

What about angsty goth men/women who try to sing over a cheesy synth line? The Cruxshadows, Hanzel Und Gretyl, Blutengal, E Nomine... And who doesn't love Leæther Strip? Or Emilie Autumn? Or Huoratron? Or Pendulum? (Okay, now I'm just naming random artists...)

Firstly, Crushadows are AMAZING. I love those guys. Hanzel und Gretyl are pretty straight forward Industrial Metal. Emilie Autumn's style is actually Cabarat. However, people like her and Voltaire fit pretty well into Darkwave, which over the years has intwined intself neatly with Industrial. I suppose I could change the name of the thread into something more broad, perhaps?


I have a bit of a love-hate thing with industrial music, to be honest. While I like quite a few bands that fall into the genre the fact is that when industrial is bad it's really, really, bad - due to having access to both lazy badly sampled dance/electronica and 'wall of noise', badly written death metal/screamo to draw on.

Still, some of the acts I do quite like, such as:
Android Lust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6fVhYTRVp8)
Chiasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne67pSaALg)
Ego Likeness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQBcJBmo3q4)
Flesh Field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FrUBWNARNQ)
Helalyn Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yLPydW6do)
I:Scintilla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWVhGu5Nzk)
Mankind is Obsolete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEWXFTIoWc)

I totally understand what you mean. The voice samples especially, they can get annoying when they're over-used. But I find that it's the same with all music. There's a lot of Metal out there I don't like, a lot of Classical I find dull, same with Rock.

[The Antagonist]

Emilie Autumn's style is actually Cabarat. However, people like her and Voltaire fit pretty well into Darkwave, which over the years has intwined intself neatly with Industrial.


EA describes her style as Victoriandustrial, so I thought it suited ratehr well. *shrugs* Depends on what album you listen to, though it does fit in to darkwave, yes.

[Nameless]

EA describes her style as Victoriandustrial, so I thought it suited ratehr well. *shrugs* Depends on what album you listen to, though it does fit in to darkwave, yes.

Yeah, I've heard her use that term in an interview. Deathstars call themselves "Deathglam", but they're still Industrial Metal. :smalltongue:

[The Antagonist]

Yeah, I've heard her use that term in an interview. Deathstars call themselves "Deathglam", but they're still Industrial Metal. :smalltongue:

Fair 'nuff.

[Nameless]

And if it all goes horribly wrong, there's always SISen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_l2dHwt1S4&feature=related).

[CynicalAvocado]

rammstein, and abney park (pre lost horizons)

[The Antagonist]

rammstein, and abney park (pre lost horizons)

Rammstein... is industrial... what?

[Nameless]

rammstein, and abney park (pre lost horizons)

No one is aloud to bring Rammstein up. Not since I missed them last time the came here. :smallmad:


Rammstein... is industrial... what?

Yurp.

[The Antagonist]

I never thought of Rammstein as industrial... Though, now that you mention it, the industrial elements of their music are a lot more pronounced when I listen to it... Huh. I just called them metal and left it at that. But I guess you discover somthing new every day.

[Mx.Silver]

Rammstein... is industrial... what?

Err, yes. Probably one of the most famous industrial groups out there really. Maybe not to the same extent as KMFDM but still...



rammstein, and abney park (pre lost horizons)
Regarding Abney Park, I'm not entirely sure why they didn't just go the whole hog and rename themselves once they switched to steampunk (most of the original lineup went-out when the change happened, which would have justified it). I quite like their music in both of their genres, but they really aren't the same band now as they used to be.

[The Antagonist]

Err, yes. Probably one of the most famous industrial groups out there really. Maybe not to the same extent as KMFDM but still...

Like I said, I just never thought of them as industrial. Of course I know how famous they are.

[Snares]

Industrial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw03hVF1RQ

:smallcool:

[IdleMuse]

Heh, Rammstein pretty much introduced me to industrial. We have an excellent cybergoth monthly club night where I live, it's awesome. Can I add VNV Nation to the list of stuff to listen to?

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

I have decided that some crump music seems to be a kind of industrial hip hop. other than that, other than Rammstein, I don't listen to that much industrial. I should, though, I generally like that stuff. Wait, do the Nine Inch Nails count? :smallamused:

[Moff Chumley]

Continuing in the "wait, does ____ count" vein, someone needs to mention Huoratron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8z0UVtEkog&feature=related)...

[Nameless]

Regarding Abney Park, I'm not entirely sure why they didn't just go the whole hog and rename themselves once they switched to steampunk (most of the original lineup went-out when the change happened, which would have justified it). I quite like their music in both of their genres, but they really aren't the same band now as they used to be.

Abney Park is a good name I guess. And same here, I really like both of their stuff.
Their early Goth stuff had more power to it, but their Steampunk stuff has a really nice charm about it. Until the Day you Die (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EX11Xi4pak) is such an awesome song.


Like I said, I just never thought of them as industrial. Of course I know how famous they are.

Combining Metal with Industrial is always a good thing. \m/:smallbiggrin:\m/



Industrial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw03hVF1RQ

:smallcool:

Ahh, smashing bins. Nothing like it. :smallcool:


Continuing in the "wait, does ____ count" vein, someone needs to mention Huoratron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8z0UVtEkog&feature=related)...

As awesome as Huoratron is is, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TIA9VdbdRg) is far more rave-worthy. :smalltongue:


In other news, I'm going to the Dark Mills Festival (http://www.darkmillsfestival.com/). Because free festivals are awesome like that. :smalltongue:

I also changed the name of the thread, it should make it more open to different bands and artists and might (hopefully) cause less confusion.

[Mx.Silver]

Wait, do the Nine Inch Nails count? :smallamused:

Yes, Nine Inch Nails count.

[shiram]

I always though NIN had industrila elements, but never was a full blown industrial band

And i bring forth another band thats balances on the line, Ministry
Mostly albums like Psalm 69 / the mind is a terrible thing to taste

Also, i like Skinny Puppy's The process.

[Danne]

I have a bit of a love-hate thing with industrial music, to be honest. While I like quite a few bands that fall into the genre the fact is that when industrial is bad it's really, really, bad - due to having access to both lazy badly sampled dance/electronica and 'wall of noise', badly written death metal/screamo to draw on.

Still, some of the acts I do quite like, such as:
Android Lust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6fVhYTRVp8)
Chiasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne67pSaALg)
Ego Likeness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQBcJBmo3q4)
Flesh Field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FrUBWNARNQ)
Helalyn Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yLPydW6do)
I:Scintilla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWVhGu5Nzk)
Mankind is Obsolete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEWXFTIoWc)

Hey, another Ego Likeness fan? Awesome, I've never met another one (that I didn't introduce to them myself, lol)!

I also adore Assemblage 23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcd3T1KXqA) and the Crüxshadows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVNjx4k8mWk). Though last I heard they were considered "gothic synthetic," but to be honest I've never understood the difference between synthetic and industrial.

I've seen both A23 and Ego Likeness live -- awesome shows!

Edit: Oh, and Hungry Lucy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QX0A1NhnVs)! They're a lot softer than most other bands in the genre, but they still count, I think. Christa's voice is just gorgeous. And they're both very nice. :smallsmile:

[Malfunctioned]

Do any other playgrounders know of Powerman 5000? They're one of my favourite Industrial Metal bands out there. Especially this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU&feature=channel) song.

[Arcane_Secrets]

Do any other playgrounders know of Powerman 5000? They're one of my favourite Industrial Metal bands out there. Especially this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU&feature=channel) song.

Thanks. I had heard of them before, but I just have Nobody's Real in my playlist right now.

Typically, I like a lot of dark ambient like Lustmord and The Unquiet Void, and a lot of 90s industrial/EBM like Numb, Oneiroid Psychosis, so on. I'd call Blood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPh9_V8Dx3s) and Effigy from Wasted Sky by Numb two of my favorite songs.

[Mx.Silver]

Hey, another Ego Likeness fan? Awesome, I've never met another one
Neither have I, and I probably won't ever again:smalltongue:

[littlebottom]

im glad someone finally mentioned rammstein, day by day i was getting closer to announcing it myself, for i wasnt sure if people were intentionally missing it off:smallredface:

oh and nameless, i was at their last tour. BEST. GIG. EVER! sorry you missed it:smallcool:

[Danne]

Neither have I, and I probably won't ever again:smalltongue:

Probably not. :smallwink:


Can I add VNV Nation to the list of stuff to listen to?

Ooh ooh, I forgot them! I love VNV Nation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu6OgmtsYAY)!

And Apoptygma Berzerk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GnglN04zV4)!

And Bruderschaft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBugs8pgtK0), which has the two guys from VNV and AB (plus some other guys)!

[Moff Chumley]

Is it just me, or does Ego Likeness sound like Portishead trying to be more intense? :smalltongue:

I mean, compare this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAUbeggGmiU) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUlr_E1Xy2I&feature=related)... just switch the synths for turntables and organs. :smallcool:

[Danne]

Is it just me, or does Ego Likeness sound like Portishead trying to be more intense? :smalltongue:

I mean, compare this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAUbeggGmiU) to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUlr_E1Xy2I&feature=related)... just switch the synths for turntables and organs. :smallcool:

Well, to be honest, the Portishead song you linked to gives me a headache. :smallredface: Perhaps I'd like another one.

Besides, most of my favorite Ego Likeness songs aren't on Youtube (with the exception of a few crappy fan vids shot from cellphone cameras). I recommend going to their homepage (http://www.egolikeness.com/music/) and downloading something like "Severine" or "Save Your Serpent."

[Moff Chumley]

Or maybe Portishead is more intense than Ego Likeness. I dunno. :smalltongue:

[Danne]

Nah, intensity doesn't give me headaches -- it's the clashing sound on that particular track.

[Adumbration]

Does Voltaire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM) count? I've heard it described as dark wave, but not so sure about industrial.

[Nameless]

Thanks. I had heard of them before, but I just have Nobody's Real in my playlist right now.

Typically, I like a lot of dark ambient like Lustmord and The Unquiet Void, and a lot of 90s industrial/EBM like Numb, Oneiroid Psychosis, so on. I'd call Blood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPh9_V8Dx3s) and Effigy from Wasted Sky by Numb two of my favorite songs.

Numb are pretty good, I should listen to them more though.YADE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6iEz79-xK8) kind of mixes a dark ambient sound with bouncy catchy tunes. Sort of the best of both worlds.



oh and nameless, i was at their last tour. BEST. GIG. EVER! sorry you missed it:smallcool:

Not the end of the world, I made up for it by going to see Deathstars. Who arre about 10 times more awesome. :smalltongue:



Does Voltaire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM) count? I've heard it described as dark wave, but not so sure about industrial.

Yeah, he's has an awesome Dark Wave Cabaret sound. Love him. :smallcool:


I just got back from the Dark Mills Festival which It was pretty awesome. The only two bands I knew were Beautiful Deadly Children and Callatriloz who both put on a fantastic show. We missed the burlesque shows and didn't bother too much with the horror films, but we went to a little exhibition with a lot of original art work and props from films and media. Some of the Alien stuff was awesome. They also had some awesome stalls with lots of awesome alternative clothing ranging anything from Steampunk to Cybergoth One of my friends who somehow makes friends with everyone she meets knew people from the stalls and the woman who manages the event.

[Mx.Silver]

Is it just me, or does Ego Likeness sound like Portishead trying to be more intense? :smalltongue:

Well, industrial is basically intense electronica so...

[Moff Chumley]

Er, that's hardly what I'd call it. There's plenty of intense electronica that isn't industrial, like Pendulum, or Huoratron...

[Mx.Silver]

Er, that's hardly what I'd call it. There's plenty of intense electronica that isn't industrial, like Pendulum, or Huoratron...
I didn't say all intense electronica could be classed as industrial, I said Industrial is basically intense electronica. For a valid counter example you'd need an idustrial act which did not fit that description, not a non-industrial act which did. :smalltongue:

In any case, I own a fair bit of Portishead as well and honestly there's not that much of a similarity between them and Ego Likeness, all things considered. Not that would matter if there was, really.

[Nameless]

I didn't say all intense electronica could be classed as industrial, I said Industrial is basically intense electronica. For a valid counter example you'd need an idustrial act which did not fit that description, not a non-industrial act which did. :smalltongue:

But not all Industrial is Electronic-based music. :smalltongue:

[bloodlover]

Nobody mentioned Velvet Acid Christ ?

[Mx.Silver]

But not all Industrial is Electronic-based music. :smalltongue:
Given that the distinguishing trait of industrial metal from the other varieties is its relience on synths and electronic guitar effects I'd be curious to see what examples you've got for this. I haven't really seen anything so far in this thread that would suffice anyway.

[Nameless]

Given that the distinguishing trait of industrial metal from the other varieties is its relience on synths and electronic guitar effects I'd be curious to see what examples you've got for this. I haven't really seen anything so far in this thread that would suffice anyway.

I believe someone already mentioned Swans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw03hVF1RQ) in this thread.

[Snares]

I believe someone already mentioned Swans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw03hVF1RQ) in this thread.

'Twas me. Swans are amazing. In fact, this thread needs MOAR SWANS.

Stupid Child (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5iSn-IBU8c)
Raping a Slave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkQ5lv66tGY)

^ Early stuff, some of the heaviest music ever made IMHO. I'd love to have been at an early Swans show.

Where Does a Body End? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s915CFV5cc)
Better Than You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW9K0jazrbU) (although this one does have a synth in it)

That's some of their later stuff, which is much more tuneful - at any rate, it isn't ridiculously low-tuned guitars crunching away and Michael Gira yelling "HEEEEERE'S YOUR MONEY!"

Also, posting Mind.In.A.Box (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK9L-2n65e4) in an industrial thread, I reckon they're one of the best electronic-y darkwave acts I've heard.

[zeratul]

Yeah, he's has an awesome Dark Wave Cabaret sound. Love him. :smallcool:


Voltaire is awesome, and hes definitely considered part of that goth/darkwave scene, but isn't his music basically just gothy folk music? I mean there's pretty much no use of keyboards or synth so really the only connection is aesthetical and the fact that both darkwave and voltaire can be put under the goth umbrella.

[VanBuren]

Uh, Nameless, Kraftwerk are Electro. I don't think that that's open for discussion, because the definition of electro is "bands that sound like Kraftwerk". :smalltongue:

Kraftwerk was definitely one of the precursors of Industrial, however.

[Moff Chumley]

And Funkadelic was a direct inspiration for Daft Punk, but we hardly go calling George Clinton House, do we? :smalltongue:

[VanBuren]

And Funkadelic was a direct inspiration for Daft Punk, but we hardly go calling George Clinton House, do we? :smalltongue:

Ha ha, no we don't. :smallbiggrin:

Still, all I'm saying is that it's not surprising that it accidentally got lumped in with a genre that it helped create.

[Nameless]

Saying Kraftwerk aren't Industrial is like saying Skyclad weren't Folk Metal just because they were the first ones at it.

[Malfunctioned]

Saying Kraftwerk aren't Industrial is like saying Skyclad weren't Folk Metal just because they were the first ones at it.

I think they mean that Kraftwerk aren't industrial but what they did produce was the forerunner of industrial. They were the super prototype of industrial.

[Nameless]

I think they mean that Kraftwerk aren't industrial but what they did produce was the forerunner of industrial. They were the super prototype of industrial.

But you could say that about any band that started/helped to start a genre like Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin. Kraftwerk were one of the most important bands in early Industrial music and pretty much made Industrial into what it is today.

[VanBuren]

I think they mean that Kraftwerk aren't industrial but what they did produce was the forerunner of industrial. They were the super prototype of industrial.

Sort of. They weren't even what I would consider the creators or the pioneers of the genre. They were however, a major stylistic influence.

[Mx.Silver]

I believe someone already mentioned Swans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw03hVF1RQ) in this thread.

I stand corrected.


Saying Kraftwerk aren't Industrial is like saying Skyclad weren't Folk Metal just because they were the first ones at it.
Except Kraftwerk weren't the first ones in it, they just happened to be an influence on the bands who actually did create the genre. They are also by no means unique in this position either, Frank Zappa is cited at least as often for example.


Kraftwerk were one of the most important bands in early Industrial music
Well, only if you ignore bands like NOM, SPK, Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle (the latter of whom basically founded the genre, btw). Even ignoring those founders though, there's still the 'breakthrough bands' (e.g. KMFDM) to consider.

and pretty much made Industrial into what it is today
Once again, I'd submit KMFDM for consideration. Especialy given the prevelence of industrial rock/industrial metal in the modern industrial scene.

Fundamental point though is that Kraftwerk just aren't industrial. They used some techniques that were/have been taken-up by industrial artists, but that's not really the same thing.

[Moff Chumley]

Again, using that argument, Nameless, Kraftwerk might as well also be hip hop. Or any genre with the word Electro (Electrofunk, Electrohouse, et cetera), or Techno. Because none of those genres would sound the same without Kraftwerk. It's like saying The Beatles were Prog Rock or that Neil Young is Grunge.

[Semidi]

Funker Vogt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxzawr1UGno&feature=related), Angelspit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY14M3ufW10), CombiChrist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRa3BU5bl-s), Skinny Puppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xodnJOGAetI), OhGr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJSsEPSmdMI), Covenant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPnWOem7jok), Wolfsheim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FveMb2Z4QY)...

I'll stop now.

No wait: Front 242 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPpUFBVSyWs) (last one is a little nsfw I think there's partial nudity and eggs).

yeah... I'm a fan.

[Nameless]

I stand corrected.


Except Kraftwerk weren't the first ones in it, they just happened to be an influence on the bands who actually did create the genre. They are also by no means unique in this position either, Frank Zappa is cited at least as often for example.


Well, only if you ignore bands like NOM, SPK, Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle (the latter of whom basically founded the genre, btw). Even ignoring those founders though, there's still the 'breakthrough bands' (e.g. KMFDM) to consider.

Once again, I'd submit KMFDM for consideration. Especialy given the prevelence of industrial rock/industrial metal in the modern industrial scene.

Fundamental point though is that Kraftwerk just aren't industrial. They used some techniques that were/have been taken-up by industrial artists, but that's not really the same thing.

I never meant to say Kraftwerk were the only band that helped to create Industrial, I'm saying that looking at their sound, visual style and themes, they seem to of have had quite a big influence (and quite early, much earlier then KMFDM) on the scene, as well as one of the most popular at the time. A lot of bands now seem to take after them.


Again, using that argument, Nameless, Kraftwerk might as well also be hip hop. Or any genre with the word Electro (Electrofunk, Electrohouse, et cetera), or Techno. Because none of those genres would sound the same without Kraftwerk. It's like saying The Beatles were Prog Rock or that Neil Young is Grunge.

I disagree. Kraftwerk's entire theme, image, and specific electronic sound is very much Industrial. Nothing about their music is hip hop.
just looking at one of their most iconic song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ) screams Industrial to me.

[Moff Chumley]

It's quite possible we're on different pages about Hip-Hop. Suffice to say, Kraftwerk created the beat for Planet Rock, perhaps the first modern Hip Hop track. Which I'm not going to link to because I have DIGNITY, thank you. I'm not saying they didn't influence Industrial, or even provide the template for it, but they did much, much more than that. And if you can't acknowledge that, we have nothing left to discuss. :smallsmile:

[The Antagonist]

Did somebody say hip hop? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjfrD8Qc5c) :smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

It's quite possible we're on different pages about Hip-Hop. Suffice to say, Kraftwerk created the beat for Planet Rock, perhaps the first modern Hip Hop track. Which I'm not going to link to because I have DIGNITY, thank you. I'm not saying they didn't influence Industrial, or even provide the template for it, but they did much, much more than that. And if you can't acknowledge that, we have nothing left to discuss. :smallsmile:

Yes, I agree with this completely.

[Nameless]

In other news, I found this band late last night. They have the best music video in the world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNAdtkSjSps&feature=fvw). :smallbiggrin: Why was I not informed about this band earlier?

[drakir_nosslin]

I dunno if these have shown up yet, but I like them. It's leaning pretty heavily towards black metal, but with some industrial themes, pretty much like Psyclon Nine. Turmion Kätilöt - Minä Määrään (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOXsxsftrY)

[Nameless]

I dunno if these have shown up yet, but I like them. It's leaning pretty heavily towards black metal, but with some industrial themes, pretty much like Psyclon Nine. Turmion Kätilöt - Minä Määrään (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOXsxsftrY)

Dude, I fecking love Psyclon Nine, they combine Aggrotech with Black Metal. It forms pure epic win. :smallbiggrin:

[drakir_nosslin]

Dude, I fecking love Psyclon Nine, they combine Aggrotech with Black Metal. It forms pure epic win. :smallbiggrin:

Yea, I started listening to them after you posted them on the first page, then I sent them to a friend of mine and he showed me Turmion.

I got a new playlist now :smallbiggrin:

[Hida Reju]

Here are a few that I listen too not sure if they count for what you are going for

Mind in a box - Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcXVZFlSWY)

Pride and Fall - December (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmsfZNHQ3M)

Massive Attack - Black Milk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWIrXPy0Du8)

[eyeofsaulot]

If Skinny Puppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KjJcn7WEFY) were mentioned in every post, it still wouldn't be enough.

I also feel the need to direct the thread's attention to German industrial legends Einstürzende Neubauten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j9xtEFoydI).

[Nameless]

Here are a few that I listen too not sure if they count for what you are going for
Mind in a box - Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcXVZFlSWY)


That... Was awesome. Thanks. :smallbiggrin:

Also, I recently found this video of Arise X performing live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4_wuVJqJpU&feature=related). It's the only Arise X gig with proper camera footage I've come across.

[CynicalAvocado]

this (was a murderer and your t-shirt is not cool) is my favourite industrial-ish band :smallbiggrin:

[Winter_Wolf]

I guess I'm an unwilling or unwitting convert. But honestly I prefer music where they're not speaking English these days. I've come to find that I enjoy the sound of a human voice mixed in with my music, but at least half the time when I know what the lyrics mean it kind of ruins the song for me. Some of the links, the music was good, but the lyrics just made me go 'no, I don't think so.'

So basically I think the extent of my fandom is about Rammstein and some random songs I might hear.

[Lorn]

Here are a few that I listen too not sure if they count for what you are going for

Mind in a box - Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcXVZFlSWY)
Wow.

Just.. wow.

...

I hope you're happy, I can't stop listening to them :smallbiggrin:

I take it you've come across VNV Nation and Neuroticfish?

[Snares]

I'm glad Mind.In.A.Box are getting some love in this thread, my favourite EBM-ish stuff by a long way. :smallcool: I've only got Crossroads and their newest one, R.E.T.R.O., but they're both really good. 8 Bits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGpLl-SUfk) is ridiculously catchy.

[Nameless]

I can't believe I haven't mentioned one of the most epic EBM bands ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TIA9VdbdRg). Pretty cool video someone made for that song actually.

[kaptainkrutch]

I like Funker Vogt, Psyclon Nine, Suicide Commando, :wumpscut:, God Module, The Retrosic, VNV Nation, Grendel, Combichrist, Amduscia, and Life Cried.:smallsmile:

Are you down with that?

[Nameless]

I like Funker Vogt, Psyclon Nine, Suicide Commando, :wumpscut:, God Module, The Retrosic, VNV Nation, Grendel, Combichrist, Amduscia, and Life Cried.:smallsmile:

Are you down with that?

Yes.
Yes I am. :smallamused:

[kaptainkrutch]

Yes.
Yes I am. :smallamused:

All is going according to plan... :smallcool:

[kyoryu]

If Skinny Puppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KjJcn7WEFY) were mentioned in every post, it still wouldn't be enough.

I also feel the need to direct the thread's attention to German industrial legends Einstürzende Neubauten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j9xtEFoydI).

... basically came here to say this. Though I'll throw in a quick mention of Sister Machine Gun for good measure.

/also know Blixa's wife.

[Frostwolf]

Meh...I wrote a huge post, and then everything got deleted to to connection problems...well, gotta do a shorter one now.

This is quite the thread for me....

Most of my favorite Bands actually hover somewhere around the Industrial / Industrial Metal / Industrial Rock cloud, except for the whole Deathrock / 80's Pop Rock stuff. I guess mentioning my obsession with the Sisters of Mercy won't fit into this thread.

I'm surprised noone mentioned Frontline Assembly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifakNeYZs1E) so far, even the most recent album is of very high quality.

Considering Industrial Rock and Metal, I guess one could mention the Hellbilly Deluxe Era of Rob Zombie, and Samael (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpClxEePxtw)and The Kovenant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iO3QF3-QhI), both of which originated in Black Metal, also deserve being posted here.

[Nameless]

v=kpClxEePxtw"]Samael [/URL]

Whenever I listen to this band, I'm never quite sure if I like them or hate them.

On a side note, has anyone listened to the new Birthday Massacre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOfluH8mgQ) album? I've always kind of liked them, but I really like this album. There other stuff is great, but some of the songs on this album are just awesome.

[zeratul]

Whenever I listen to this band, I'm never quite sure if I like them or hate them.

On a side note, has anyone listened to the new Birthday Massacre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOfluH8mgQ) album? I've always kind of liked them, but I really like this album. There other stuff is great, but some of the songs on this album are just awesome.

I looooove the birthday massacre, but I actually haven't heard the new album. What is it like in comparison to the last two?

[Nameless]

I looooove the birthday massacre, but I actually haven't heard the new album. What is it like in comparison to the last two?

The first time I listened to BM, I thought they were good, but nothing special. Then I listened to them again and thought they were awesome.
I've only listened to the new album once (I should be getting it tomorrow), but from what I remeber it's a little more scynthy/atmospheric and with a little less heavy distorted guitar riffs. I'll have to listen to it again though.

[Nameless]

After listening to the album several times, I stand by what I said before. It does seem to have a little more focus on the scynth and a little less on the distorted guitars, but it still has it's fair share of heavy guitar riffs. The only complaint I have is that it's too short. ._.