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ArenaManager
2010-08-28, 09:47 PM
Arena Tournament, Round 93: Abogralia 2 vs. NPC #354

Map:http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/ArenaManager/Arenas/09-dawn_arena.png
Extra notes: Houses are on average 20 feet high (just use that average figure all over the house), hay piles are up to 10 feet high against the walls. And, I don't care whether you're immune to sanctuary effects, you are not immune to the arena's sanctuary effect. Creatures summoned during the 1st round are also affected by the sanctuary effect.

XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Abogralia 2 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=191974) - Scorer
NPC #354 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=214453) - TheFallenOne

All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare final purchases, if any

TheFallenOne
2010-08-28, 09:57 PM
NPC tentacling in [roll0]

Potion Resist Energy(fire) 50 GP
another longspear 5 GP
2 grappling hooks with hempen rope each 4 GP

not necessarily done

Scorer
2010-08-30, 08:13 AM
Reporting in

[roll0]

Buying Shield of Faith +3 Potion (300gp)

Just to be clear, this +3 potion has caster level 6?

Also buying 10 MW bolts (61gp)
No more purchases

TheFallenOne
2010-08-30, 08:26 AM
yes CL 6, duration 60 turns

Questions:
Do damage and fatigue from multiple Sunstrokes(Sandstorm) stack?
Do I need to hold an attuned gem(magic of Faerun) for the proximity trigger to go off or is it enough to have it in my equipment?

Depending on the answers, I'll buy either 1 or 2 of these

Attuned Gem(Sunstroke), Proximity Trigger: any humanoid other than NPC #354 comes within 5 feet 100 GP each

TheFallenOne
2010-08-30, 10:58 AM
I'll take 2 of the gems Chaos Emeralds then, one red, one yellow :smallbiggrin:

Start in D10, spear in both hands, potion Fire Resistance in mouth. Your go

Scorer
2010-08-31, 08:56 AM
Abogralia 1st Turn

Start in X10 with grappling hook in hand and potion
shield of faith +3
Standard: Drink Potion
Move: Draw Crossbow
Free: 5' step Y9

End of Turn

STATS

Abogralia started @ X10
Abogralia ended @ Y9
HP 8/8
AC 22 (10 +3 armor, +5 dex, +1 size, +3 deflection) Touch 19 FF 17
20 bolts left
(20 carried of a 95 total owned)
15 MW bolts left
(15 carried of a 15 total owned)

Hand 1 Wielding: Grappling Hook
Hand 2 Wielding: Crossbow
Crossbow (Not Loaded)

1x Shield of Faith +3 used

Shield of Faith 1/60 Rounds

TheFallenOne
2010-08-31, 11:05 AM
assuming Hustlers answer stands (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157601&page=42#1246)

Super Commoner Turn 2

Run to X9
Yellow Chaos Emerald activated:
you take [roll0] nonlethal damage from heatstroke
Fortitude DC 11 or fatigued

Red Chaos Emerald activated:
you take [roll1] nonlethal damage from heatstroke
Fortitude DC 11 or fatigued

done

Scorer
2010-08-31, 11:08 AM
That's sooo cheeseeeee hahahahah:smalltongue:

I guess you got me, unless Kyeudo rules that Sancuary protects me from your gems...

TheFallenOne
2010-08-31, 11:12 AM
yeah, that cheese kinda stinks. Even if they don't go off turn 1, they'll go off start of your turn 2. Those gems are crazy, you could actually do a money-intensive, but extremely effective suicide bomber concept with Travel Devotion, Animal Devotion and attuned gems with proximity triggers

hustlertwo
2010-08-31, 11:40 AM
Keep in mind my answer was not an official ruling, just an opinion. They never are official, unless I denote them as such. I don't know enough about non-SRD stuff to start establishing precedents on it.

Also, I am a little unsure about the proximity trigger. What's the exact wording in the book on it? Because as it stands right now it kinda implies it would not go off until Abogralia (censor presumably still won't let me abbreviate her name) actually approached within 5 feet of you, not you going within 5 feet of her. I'm not sure if that matters or not, but it may be something we need to address going forward.

Scorer
2010-08-31, 11:58 PM
For obvious reasons I would like that the matter be attended, I too I'm very bad at non-SRD stuff...

Sallera
2010-09-01, 12:21 AM
I was afraid these things would show up everywhere after Tanaric brought them out. Seems it was only delayed by a few months. <<

Anyway, the wording is 'a creature of the appropriate type comes within 5 feet of it.' I guess the real question is whether D&D uses relativity... :smalltongue:

TheFallenOne
2010-09-01, 12:40 AM
well, considering Tanaric threw one of them at you if I remember correctly I'd guess precedent says yes :smalltongue:

Though we should have a serious talk about outlawing them, A Sunstroke and Power Word Fatigue gem would be a rather nasty melee repellent for anyone

Sallera
2010-09-01, 12:44 AM
Well, Resist Fire takes care of Sunstroke, but aye, I'd not be sorry to see them gone. Bit of a hammer upside the head of the action economy.

TheFallenOne
2010-09-01, 01:03 AM
yeah... with the time or touch trigger you can basically get free action potions for extra price, the proximity trigger allows just moneybombing your enemy... While I did find the notion of a Gem Suicide Bomber or gems as Chaos Emeralds entertaining, best be rid of them. I raised the matter in the Waiting Room

TheFallenOne
2010-09-01, 01:57 AM
good news(at least for you) Scorer: I convinced Kyeudo to outlaw those nasty gems, so we're gonna have a real fight after all. Hope I won't regret it :smallbiggrin:

Just scratch the gems then, rest stays same. I run to X9 next to you, only this time this doesn't result in you toppling over. Your turn

Scorer
2010-09-05, 12:18 AM
Sorry for delay

Abogralia 2nd Turn

Free: Drop Grappling Hook
Free: 5' step to Z10
Free: Crossbow proper grip
Free: Reload with MW bolt
Full-Round: Rapid shot with MW

Attack 1
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
If Crit
[roll2]
Additional Damage
[roll3]

Attack 2
[roll4]
Damage
[roll5]
If Crit
[roll6]
Additional Damage
[roll7]

End of Turn

STATS

Abogralia started @ Y9
Abogralia ended @ Z10
HP 8/8
AC 22 (10 +3 armor, +5 dex, +1 size, +3 deflection) Touch 19 FF 17
20 bolts left
(20 carried of a 95 total owned)
13 MW bolts left
(15 carried of a 15 total owned)

Hand 1 Wielding: Crossbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Crossbow
Crossbow (Not Loaded)

1x Shield of Faith +3 used

Shield of Faith 2/60 Rounds

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 02:10 AM
I take an AoO when you attack

disarm attempt with tentacle
Opposed attack roll [roll0] +4 size <-- :smallcool:
you get -4 for using a ranged weapon. Pretty sure Point Blank Shot Bonus doesn't apply because you're not targetting someone within 30 feet

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 02:34 AM
the good news: you can't beat that, so you're disarmed and the full attack is wasted
the bad news: I could have initiated a grapple with that roll and almost asuredly won the game

Say of the Tentacle what you want, it's really useful Turn 3

longspear in one hand, potion to free hand
Standard: drink potion, drop vial
5 foot step to Y10
Move: pick up your crossbow
crossbow to mouth, spear in both hands again

done

Stats
HP 13/13
AC 15, FF 12, Touch 13
Hands: longspear
Mouth: Abogralias crossbow

Resist Fire 100/100

Scorer
2010-09-05, 11:36 AM
.... annoying crossbow removal... at least I still got those two MW bolts

And Point blank shot includes any distance from 0 to 30'

Abogralia 3rd Turn

Free: 5' step to Y11
Move: Draw Acid Flask
Standard: Throw at you

Attack
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
If Crit
[roll2]
Additional Damage
[roll3]

I take 2 acid damage from splash

End of Turn

STATS

Abogralia started @ Z10
Abogralia ended @ Y11
HP 6/8
AC 22 (10 +3 armor, +5 dex, +1 size, +3 deflection) Touch 19 FF 17
20 bolts left
(20 carried of a 95 total owned)
13 MW bolts left
(15 carried of a 15 total owned)

Hand 1 Wielding: Free
Hand 2 Wielding: Free
Crossbow (Not Loaded)

1x Shield of Faith +3 used

Shield of Faith 3/60 Rounds

Scorer
2010-09-05, 11:37 AM
Screwed STATS

STATS

Abogralia started @ Z10
Abogralia ended @ Y11
HP 6/8
AC 22 (10 +3 armor, +5 dex, +1 size, +3 deflection) Touch 19 FF 17
20 bolts left
(20 carried of a 95 total owned)
15 MW bolts left
(15 carried of a 15 total owned)

Hand 1 Wielding: Free
Hand 2 Wielding: Free
Crossbow (Not Loaded)

1x Shield of Faith +3 used
1x Acid Flask used

Shield of Faith 3/60 Rounds

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 11:38 AM
I take my AoO when you throw the flask

Disarm, again [roll0]

again -4 for ranged weapon for you

Scorer
2010-09-05, 11:41 AM
Bah...

What other bonus penalty does the roll have, just the -4?

[roll0]

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 11:42 AM
it's an opposed attack roll, your normal attack modifier -4 for ranged weapon

disarmed then :smallbiggrin: phew, max damage would have been bad. Turn in a moment

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 11:47 AM
Tentaculon Turn 4

Full attack with tentacles, trying to initiate grapple
Tentacle 1
[roll0] vs touch AC
if hit opposed grapple [roll1]
Damage [roll2]
Tentacle 2
[roll3] vs touch AC
if hit opposed grapple [roll4]
Damage [roll5]

if I initiate grapple with first attack, the second is used in grapple to damage opponent, same opposed roll, ignore attack roll

done

Stats
HP 13/13
AC 15, FF 12, Touch 13
Hands: longspear
Mouth: Abogralias crossbow

Resist Fire 99/100

Scorer
2010-09-05, 11:52 AM
Touch hits...

[roll0]
[roll1]

Well... that's game

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 11:55 AM
aye... Aberrant Commoner was made with exactly your type of character in mind, AoO nightmare, disarm main weapon(+4 size, +4 ranged weapon of opponent, +4 if I use the spear) then grapple them to death.

Well, it was a better game than when I instantnuked you with those gems :smallsmile:

Scorer
2010-09-05, 11:56 AM
Indeed... now let's see how you fare against Bebe and if you win, the Level 1 nightmare, Proxie...

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 12:00 PM
I can't win against Xie unless I invest very much in expendables, period. The map suits him too much, he can go from building to building with Up the Walls and I can't keep up. Maybe with a Spiderclimb or Fly potion...

But Bebe is the more important one, if I win this Aberrant Commoner is level 2, all I ever wanted for him. The second place in a Round would be a nice bonus and the best I can achieve barring ridiculous luck

Sallera
2010-09-05, 12:34 PM
It didn't end up mattering, but keep in mind that natural weapons are also light weapons, so the -4 would have been applied to that disarm roll. Regardless...

NPC #354 gives Abogralia a most unwelcome hug for the victory.

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 12:39 PM
they are? Bummer

I'm not sure if I'd disarmed the acid then, I got a 12 with the -4, Scorer 12 with higher modifier factoring in his +9. Though I doubt that Point Blank Shot would have applied

You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.

Since he isn't targetting anyone when I disarm him, so there's not range

But even if the disarm failed, I can soak the damage, keep my rolls and grapple him to death. Just wanted to point out that he may have won the disarm after all

Sallera
2010-09-05, 12:50 PM
Hmm... I think PBS would actually apply there. It makes no mention of targets, just of rolls made at up to that distance. Regardless, as you say, it doesn't change the outcome. Just means that acid flask was used up.

TheFallenOne
2010-09-05, 12:53 PM
oops... sorry Scorer :smallredface:

but well, Abogralia throws money around like candy, not that 10 gp matter anymore